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Saturday, June 29th, 2019

Live Poll : Wilder or Wyler

The list page: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls049401069/

Poll page: https://www.imdb.com/poll/2Xi1BN9dT0c/

Here are two great Hollywood directors who both immigrated to America, were German or Austrian, and of the Jewish faith: Willam Wyler (born Willi Wyler, (and never officially changed his name),  July 1, 1902 in Mülhausen, Alsace, Germany [now Mulhouse, Haut-Rhin, France]), and Billy Wilder (born as Samuel Wilder, June 22, 1906 in Sucha, Galicia, Austria-Hungary [now Sucha Beskidzka, Malopolskie, Poland]). 

Wyler first came to America in 1920 to work for  Carl Laemmle (also Jewish and an immigrant from Germany), his uncle, at the studio he owned, Universal Studios. He grew up in the film industry and won the Best Director award 3 times and was nominated for it 9 more times.
Billy Wilder had first started in the German film industry as a screenwriter and is considered as one of the greatest screenwriters of all time before becoming a 2 time Oscar winning director (nominated six more times as Best Director) (and the rest of his six Oscars were for writing). With the rise of Hitler in 1933, Wilder fled first to Paris and then to America. He spoke no English when he got to Hollywood, and roomed with fellow German émigré*, Peter Lorre. Here is trivia for you, he was instrumental in getting “Schindler’s List” to be made.

Instead of asking who do you like more, we’re going to use their best films to decide who people think was better. So, from the list below, vote for your favorite film. The director, whose films get the most votes, wins! 

And since Wyler had the longer career and was nominated more times as best director than Wilder, but Wilder’s films are higher rated on the IMDb, I gave the extra shot to Wyler.

To talk about these two, or to debate them, post your Oscar worthy posts here.

* émigré is the word for a person who leaves his country of birth for political reasons, and settles in another.

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7 years ago

Believe it or not, Wyler was easier to do than Wilder. He had way more BD nominations than Wilder did. His was quality but not as highly rated as Wilder’s.

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7 years ago

I like the list; to some extent their work seems similar, but between them there is also a great variety in terms of genre.

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3 years ago

Please correct:

Here are two great Hollywood directors with who both immigrated to America,

Wyler first came to America in 1920 to work for Carl Laemmle (also Jewish and an immigrant from Germany)

He grew up in the film industry and won the Best Director award three times and was nominated for it 9 more times.

Billy Wilder had first started first started in the German film industry as a screenwriter and is considered as one of the greatest screenwriters of all time before becoming a 2 time Oscar winning director (nominated six more times as Best Director) (and the rest of his six Oscars were for writing).

He spoke no English when he got to Hollywood and roomed with fellow German immigrant, Peter Lorre.

Instead of asking who do you like more, we’re going to use their best films to decide who people think was better.

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@Jessica​ I did most of your corrections except one. “Emigre”was the real word because Wilder, Lorre, Fritz Lang, Marlene Dietrich, Conrad Veidt, William Dieterle and maybe Otto Preminger (I think he followed employment opportunities more) are all emigres who left because of politics. Hitler had it in for Peter Lorre because he really detested that the most popular star in Germany at the time was famous for play a murderer in Fritz Lang’s “M” which made Hitler not too happy with Lang too. So yeah, the word “emigre” is the correct term to use here.

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@dgranger​ Sorry “for playing a murder …”

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3 years ago

@dgranger, Sabrina get my vote. IMHO, I agree Wilder has the more top heavy portfolio of films, while Wyler was more prolific, creating nearly as good films, but a lot more of them.

I would suggest bolding the question, it really gets lost in this poll suggestion.

FYC,

Instead of asking who do you like more, we’re going to use their best films as to who people think was better. So, from the list below, vote for your favorite film. The director, whose films get the most votes, wins!

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3 years ago

Wyler, no doubt about that. This is a director who didn't have trademarks of his own and had a rather classical approach to classic material but I can't think of a film he made that wasn't enjoyable and easy to follow from beginning to end. You'd think it's easy to make a film like [i]Mrs. Miniver[/i], go watch its American counterpart [i]Since You Get Away[/i] and you can see that Wyler didn't bother with overused sentimentality and knew how to get great performances from average-to-good actors. He's not only one of the best but he's the most under-appreciated.  Seriously, I can't think of a disappointing film from his body of work.

Billy Wilder is another story, he made certainly four or five of the all-time greatest American classics, but with the exception of [i]Double Indemnity[/i], you can see that he owned the 50s and his last masterpiece was [i]The Apartment[/i], after that, it all goes downhill and [i]Kiss Me, Stupid[/i] is so bad you wouldn't believe it was made by Wilder, even his later Lemmon-Matthau movies (or Lemmon alone) aren't exactly comedic masterpieces. Somehow he lost his touch in the 60s and never recovered.

Not to say that Wyler is superior but he is the most consistent.

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@ElMaruecan82​ “This is a director who didn't have trademarks of his own and had a rather classical approach to classic material”. I disagree. His trademark was how he framed and composed his shots and timing and moving the camera when he need too. When I had talked about Ben Hur, I didn’t mention half of the incredible shots in it. “the Desperate hours” is another. He knew how to use foreground and background action in combination together to advance the story at the same time - just like Hitchcock in his “Marnie” in the office scene with Marnie sneaking around (foreground) avoiding the cleaning woman (background). Another stand out moment from Wyler, from “The Best Years of Our Lives”, the airplane junkyard scene where Wyler used camera angle, sound, and a moving camera to create a flashback memory instead of a full visual flashback cut away most other directors would have done. (Sorry, this has subtitles for the hard of hearing, it spoils the effect.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpGNKO6wz10

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@dgranger​ hey this out. It talks about “Mrs. Miniver” and “The Best Years of Our Lives” and how the Airplane junkyard scene was created with the nearly deaf Wyler at the time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaFQmyxcrSU&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D

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3 years ago

Interesting poll suggestion. My vote is going to be for Ben-Hur

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@themoviesmith​ so does mine. It is my favorite movie of all time. Always watch it in it’s widescreen MGM’s MGM 65, in order to see how Wyler used the widescreen. Especially how wiler had Jesus head turn to follow Hur as he walks across the screen in the background, or all the tricks and angles during the cruxificion and the way of the cross. Or how Hur appears at Marcellus’s death scene. And the chariot race itself, especially the use of the sound! He lets you hear the Thunder of hooves with no background music to dilute it.

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@Peter_pbn​ the changes are done. Thanks. Here is an early recap:

Wilder - 9

Wyler - 7

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I just voted : it is now 

Wilder 9

Wyler 8

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3 years ago

Difficult.

My favorite film on the list is Sunset Blvd. So my vote goes to Wilder.

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3 years ago

Mid-day return:

Wilder 47

Wyler  28

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3 years ago

We should do poll in that fashion more frequently.

Note: I sort of want to know how the results would compare if we did a traditional Face-Off poll.

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@Maxence_G​ probably quite differently. Here you vote for your favorite film and it shows which the public thinks were the better director by their works. I guess most people would say that one was the better director but by voting by their individual works changes that view somewhat.

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Up date:

Wilder 81

Wyler  46

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@dgranger ,

Thank you for updating the title of this thread to indicate that it is live. Please also change the type of thread from Idea to Praise.

For details, please see:

FAQ: Updating Threads After Poll Goes Live

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3 years ago

Okey, I forgot that one. It will get done now. 
can you get in contact with nastasia ? I have been trying to rise up her discussion page for her

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls070936267/?ref_=m_ur but the program or the IMDb app on iPhone is sending me everywhere but her discussion page. I got suggestions to fill up her list and more. Why? Because of buying paperbacks, and I got a allot of  books from Reader’s Digest special offer where they sold classic books in special hard back leather binding unedited and illustrated form, I got a ton of suggestions that were not used for her lists. https://m.imdb.com/list/ls000381556/?ref_=m_url

https://m.imdb.com/list/ls070906743/?ref_=m_url

https://m.imdb.com/list/ls070936267/?ref_=m_url

like: John ford’s adaptions of “The Grapes of Wrath” and “How Green Was My Valley”

“True Grit” by Charles Portis 

“The Hunchback of Notre Dame” by Victor Hugo 

“Dracula” by Brom Stoker

H.G. Well’s “The War of the Worlds”, “The invisible Man”, and “The Time Machine”

”A Tale of Two Cities” by Charles Dickens (I like the version staring Ronald Colman the best through the bbc did probably the definitive version)

”Anne of Green Gables”

”A Tree Grows in Brooklyn” by (I think) Mary Smith

”The Little Princess” , “The Secret Garden”, and “Little Lord Fauntleroy” by Frances Hodgson Burnett.

So many of Mark Twain’s work: “The Prince and the pauper”, “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court”, but best try one of the many film adaptations of “The adventures of Tom Sawyer”, and “The adventures of Huckleberry Finn”.

The musical “South Pacific” was based on James Michener’s collection of stories the when taken all together forms, a novel “Tales of the South Pacific” much like Ray Bradbury did in “The Martian Chronicles”. It is an excellent read because it includes stories not included in the play and from the Japanese side to (like how the Americans captured the island so quickly - that involved a Japanese soldier who studied in L.A. - there is a story there).

“The Caine Mutiny” by Herman Wouk 

I gave a lot of it but there is a handful more that includes Jack London stories and a classic western tv series and film based on “The Virginian”

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add Dumas’  “The Man in the Iron Mask” (which was 1/2 of Dumas’ 2nd sequel to “The Three Musketeers” - which is why it is sometimes hard to find it in the books stores because some purist editors will publish it under it’s original title instead of “The Man in the Iron Mask”.  Add his “The Count of Monte Cristo”. 
“Les Miserables” by Victor Hugo.

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@dgranger​ 

can you get in contact with nastasia ? I have been trying to rise up her discussion page for her

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls070936267/?ref_=m_ur but the program or the IMDb app on iPhone is sending me everywhere but her discussion page. 

Nastasia's list/poll suggestion Film Adaptations - The Second Round was last updated in 2016. The discussion link doesn't work anymore because the message boards were disabled in 2017.

I see Nastasia is still active on her IMDb profile, but there is no way to contact her.

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@dgranger​ ,

Nastasia has not been active since 2016. Her only poll, The movies that are as good as the original books?, went live on 6-August-2014.

The discussion link goes to the original IMDb Poll discussion board that was hosted on IMDb. Links to that board are redirected to:

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/topics/imdb-poll/5f4951c662e5fc53cfeb955a?d=232670414

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I’ll try to revive it with giving Her full credit of course and with her standards but I’ll do more rounds with more films (the highest rated versions with at least 3k votes or more) which might not make it to her 7.0 standard, but definitely more than 6.5

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I would have to go with Billy Wilder, since, while Wyler directed more films that were nominated for Best Picture and Best Director, there are several of Wilder's films that are among my favorites, such as Sunset Boulevard, Double Indemnity, and One Two Three.