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Sun, Feb 28, 2021 8:47 PM

Live Poll: We Have Been Warned

The list page: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089265498/

Poll page: https://www.imdb.com/poll/jFTZmyCBSXs/?mode=desktop&ref_=m_ft_dsk

Many classic films of the black and white era, especially Frank Capra’s movies, show how the media (especially newspapers) can be used in dirty politics, and how the hate card can be played in media campaign politics, and also depicted machine politics too. Some of them have honest politicians corrupted by the system. Sadly, things haven’t changed much and many of these films are still relevant today. These films just need a minor touch of updating to be remade today and still be relevant. Which of these old black and white films do you feel the most relevant today and can be remade today? (I don’t mean ones that has been already remade.)

The nominating petition is here if you have any to suggest. Just remember black and white films, never remade, about politics and can be updated with minor changes.

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2 m ago

I’m sorry if this is too late to be contemporary with the election year in the USA, but with seeing the events in Washington DC and a cross the USA and the world for the past few years, and then watching these old films last year (and seeing I Married A Witch for the first time),  I saw many correlations between current events and some of the things these movies were warning us about in the 30’s and 40’s. It was very scary. 
the saddest part is that, even though I’m a Republican and Frank Capra was a life long Democrat, I don’t think Capra would approve of the Democratic Party of today.

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hell, I even think President Biden was trying to copy the scene where Jefferson Smith visits the Lincoln Memorial in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939).

Joesph Biden is nowhere near the type of man Jefferson Smith was.

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2 m ago

dgranger,

For your consideration:

(1957)

Shows a folk-singing drifter into a powerful narcissistic media star.

(1962)

Shows a presidential candidate co-opted by a foreign government.

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Dan, The Manchurian Candidate has a remake with Denzel Washington, Dgranger said in his list no remakes should be included.

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Pencho,

I missed that Dgranger disqualified remakes. Fortunately, (1957) does not have a remake.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050371/movieconnections

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2 m ago

Dgranger.

All the King's Men was remade in a star filled but not very succesful film from 2006

If you don't want remakes it does not qualify.

FYC:

Advise & Consent (1962)

Gabriel Over The White House (1933)

Exposed (1938)

Torchy Runs for Mayor (1939)

Tennessee Johnson (1942) - Biopic of first US President ever impeached.

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@Pencho15 , it is out, the others in. I’ll be working on this tonight.

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@Pencho15 , all are added. But you may want to add what these films show that makes them relevant to today.

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It seems you got them all fine. I have only seen Advice & Consnet, so I can't really add more about the other, I simply searched for politics film with no remakes and followed the plot summary.

Perhaps I would just add a note in Torchy Runs for Major that it follows a woman breaking through in politics. It may be obvious from the poster but it doesn't hurt to include it.

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By the way, you may be missing a text on the first option, it is the only one missing it.

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2 m ago

dgranger,

For the films in which the plot summary says it all, you may wish to include the plot summary. The plot summary will not be visible if/when this becomes a poll. This will save the poll taker from having to look up the plot summary while taking the poll.

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@dan_dassow changes done.

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2 m ago

I think you are missing a word here:

Many classic films of the black and white era, especially Frank Capra’s, show how

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Please also correct

#3: This movie shows an honest man

#6: And even though it is

#11: A president

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@Peter_pbn corrected.

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Changes done.

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2 m ago

This is such a good idea and good poll, granger (!) -- and it has a really great title, too. 

A couple of the options say that the plot summary says it all, which is true, but the plot summaries don't show up in polls.

I'm not sure what "and also depicted machine politics too" means, which could mean that I'm just really tired -- or is it unclear?

Anyway, when I'm more awake, I'll decide on my vote. : )

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Political machine definition by Wikipedia - “In the politics of representative democracies, a political machine is a political group in which an authoritative leader or small group command the support of a corps of supporters and businesses (usually campaign workers), who receive patronage as reward for their efforts. The machine's power is based on the ability of the boss or group to get out the votefor their candidates on election day.

Although these elements are common to most political parties and organizations, they are essential to political machines, which rely on hierarchy and rewards for political power, often enforced by a strong party whip structure. Machines sometimes have a political boss, typically rely on patronage, the spoils system, "behind-the-scenes" control, and longstanding political ties within the structure of a representative democracy. Machines typically are organized on a permanent basis instead of a single election or event. The term "machine" usually is used by its reform-minded enemies in a pejorative sense.[1]”

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No, I meant I wasn't sure what you meant by the whole last phrase ("and also...") in relation to the whole sentence. I think perhaps a few small edits to the diction and particularly the syntax will make it more clear:

Many classic films of the black and white era, especially Frank Capra’s movies, depict the political machine, show how the media (especially newspapers) can be used in dirty politics, and how the hate card can be played in campaign politics.

 

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Done. You guys and I too, missed an “is.” Aka “Is the most relevant.

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2 m ago

'A few typos: 

in the text for the last option: 

coop d’stat --> coop d'etat

in #5: 

Machine politics --> The political machine

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I think it's coup d'etat.

Also, #6 needs one more correction: even thoughq --> even though

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@rubyfruit76 blame d’ stat on spellcheck. It said s instead of e.

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2 m ago

Congratulations, dgranger!

We Have Been Warned

Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/jFTZmyCBSXs/

Please change "Poll Suggestion" to "Live Poll" in the discussion thread title and change the settings so that it appears under "Praise" now, rather than "Idea."

 

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Ace in the Hole (1951) - It is based on media sensationalism. A reporter goes on to cover the report of a man buried under a cliff and tries to fulfill his agenda, the sheriff's agenda for re-election, and other newspapers agenda to get the news feed at any cost.

I am not sure if it was missed or not considered, but looks like a nice candidate to add.

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Missed is the answer.