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No, "Betty Boop" was not a TV series in 1930

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15180956/ is a supposed TV series titled "Betty Boop" which supposedly debuted in 1930.

As I'm sure everyone reading this already knows, television broadcasting existed on only a very limited basis in 1930. The Betty Boop series of theatrical short films began in 1930 -- these films were not broadcast on television until years later.

What's worse, apparently every Betty Boop theatrical cartoon has been converted into an episode of the supposed TV series -- they are no longer entered as theatrical films. I was just looking for The Old Man of the Mountain (1933) and didn't see it at first, because it had been listed as a TV episode (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0024404/) instead of a film.

This isn't even the first time someone has created a pseudo-TV series for "Betty Boop" starting in 1930. As discussed in the thread here, there was another entry for "Betty Boop" (1930) in 2019, which was deleted. Why was this series allowed to be re-created when it was already determined to be an invalid entry before?

IMDb claims to be "the world's most popular and authoritative source for information on movies, TV shows and celebrities." Yet how can IMDb be considered authoritative if it doesn't demonstrate basic knowledge of television history, like when television came into common use? 

As I've said before, any television program submitted to the database with a start date in the 1930s or earlier ought to be scrutinized by an IMDb staffer to see whether it actually existed or has been submitted erroneously. In this case, the submission was erroneous. 

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Hello all!!

Thanks for all your insights and patience with this issue and sorry for the delay solving. Actions have now bee taken.

"1937 Coronation"(1937- ) This page has been deleted. 

"Allen and Kendal"(1940-2015) This page has been deleted. 

"Andy Panda" (1939-1949) Duplicated listings were deleted, any "episode" that did not have their own page was converted to theatrical short and now has it's own page

"Barney Bear" (1939-1954) Duplicated listings were deleted, any "episode" that did not have their own page was converted to theatrical short and now has it's own page

"Betty Boop" (1930-1939) All "episodes" were converted to theatrical shorts and now have their own page 

"British Movietone News" (1929-1979) All "episodes" now have their own pages and "British Movietone News" was included in their title. 

"British Pathé News" (1910-1970) All "episodes" now have their own pages and "British Pathé News" was included in their title. 

"Color Classics" (1934-1941) This page has been deleted. 

"Comicolor cartoons" (1933-1936) Duplicated listings were deleted, any "episode" that did not have their own page was converted to theatrical short and now has it's own page

"Grand Prix Motor Racing" (1906-1949) All "episodes" now have their own listing, I did see @gromit82 's comment on them probably being bogus, please do let me know from what year and below you would consider we should double check and probably delete?

"Hunky y Spunky" (1938-1941) Duplicated listings were deleted, any "episode" that did not have their own page was converted to theatrical short and now has it's own page

"John Wayne Classics" (1935-1963) All "episodes" now have their own pages and merges were done where duplicates were found

"John Wayne Colorized Collection" (1934- ) All "episodes" now have their own pages and merges were done where duplicates were found

"Parrotville" (1934-1935) This page has been deleted. 

"Puppetoons"(1932-1942) (I) Duplicated listings were deleted, any "episode" that did not have their own page was converted to theatrical short and now has it's own page

"Puppetoons" (1932-1942) (II) Duplicated listings were deleted, any "episode" that did not have their own page was converted to theatrical short and now has it's own page

"Rainbow Parade Cartoon" (1934-1936) This page has been deleted. 

"The Three Stooges" (1934-1959) Duplicated listings were deleted, any "episode" that did not have their own page was converted to theatrical short and now has it's own page

"Toonerville"(1936) This page has been deleted. 

"US Presidential Elections"(1928- ) This page has been deleted. 

Casper the Friendly Ghost  (1945)  All "episodes" were converted to theatrical shorts and now have their own page 

Please if you see any merge I missed please submit it and paste your submission reference here for me to review, or of course you can link the pages that need merging and I will do it for you. Any other mistake that could've happened during this conversions like a wrong title or date for example please let me know. Any other thing that I might have missed I will do my best to solve ASAP.

We are also still working on the most important part which is stopping this from happening again at all.

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@Bethanny​ Nice to see this finally solved and I can only imagine how much time and effort went into untangling this mess, even for IMDb staff! I've recently stumbled upon people referencing a Betty Boop short as something with a season and episode number which was likely due to this very problem. 

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@Bethanny​ Thank you for working on this. 

There are still some issues remaining with the series listed above:

"Andy Panda" (1939): No longer has any episodes listed. Not an actual TV series, at least not one from 1939. Should be deleted altogether.

"Barney Bear" (1939): The "series" still has one episode listed, "Bird-Brain Bird Dog", which should be merged into Bird-Brain Bird Dog (1954). "Barney Bear" is not an actual TV series, at least not one from 1939. Once the episode has been gotten rid of, the series should be deleted altogether.

"British Movietone News" (1929): The "series" still has one episode listed, Episode #1.310. I suppose that should be converted into a theatrical short, but I have no idea whether it is actually identifiable. Someone who knows a lot more about this newsreel series would have to opine about it.

"British Pathé News" (1910): No longer has any episodes listed. Not an actual TV series. Should be deleted altogether.

"Color Classics" (1934): No longer has any episodes listed. Not an actual TV series. Should be deleted altogether.

"Comicolor cartoons" (1933): No longer has any episodes listed. Not an actual TV series. Should be deleted altogether.

"Grand Prix Motor Racing" (1906): No longer has any episodes listed. Not an actual TV series from 1906. Should be deleted altogether. However, you wrote that "all episodes now have their own listing". I don't know to find them in the database anymore now that they are no longer part of a series.

"Hunky y Spunky" (1938): No longer has any episodes listed. Not an actual TV series. Should be deleted altogether.

I'll follow up in a separate post here.

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@gromit82​ Hey! Thanks for this, between all the crazy cleaning this up I totally forgot to delete the remaining parent series and it seams like 1 or 2 episodes scaped from me too! All fixed there.

Regarding the "Grand Prix Motor Racing" new listings here they are:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008162 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008160 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008154 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008156 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008152 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008150 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008148 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008144 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008140 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008158 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008138 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008146 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008142 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9008136  
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007530
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007528 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007526 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007524 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007498 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007494 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007484 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007480 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007358 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007356 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007342 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007340 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007336 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007310 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007308 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007306 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007300 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007196 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007198 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007186 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007188 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007172 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007168 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006576 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007114 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007116 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007118 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007110 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9007112 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9013932 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006574 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006572 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006570 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006568  
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006566
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006558
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006552 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006556 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9018622 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006540 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006542 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006544 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006526 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006528 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006524 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006510 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006508 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006504 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006502 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006498 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006496 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006492 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006490 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006488 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006486 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006484 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006482 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006480 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006478 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006438 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006434 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006430 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006420 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006402 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006400 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006398 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006388 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006386 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006384 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006316 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006312 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006318 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006310 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006308 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006306 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006288 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006050 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9006018 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9005980

Thanks for all your help with this.

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@Bethanny​ Thanks. I have checked all the titles on the list and all of the fake series have now been deleted (so I have no further comments on the entries from "John Wayne Classics" to the end of the list).

I am mildly concerned that many of the Grand Prix auto racing entries may be bogus, but I don't know that much about Grand Prix auto racing and thus don't even know where to look to find out which of the entries might be correct. And since they aren't listed as television episodes any more, my concern is only mild. Hopefully someone else will look into this issue at some time. 

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@Bethanny​ In regard to your comment:

We are also still working on the most important part which is stopping this from happening again at all.

What I recommend here is developing a pattern for what types of submissions need to get sent to a knowledgeable staffer for review and not just processed quickly without being mulled over.

I suggest a couple of patterns to use:

  • For new titles: If TITLE-TYPE = TV and YEAR <=1945, send submission to a knowledgeable staffer for review.
  • For title corrections: If OLD-TITLE-TYPE = theatrical film and GENRE = Short and NEW-TITLE-TYPE = TV episode, send submission to a knowledgeable staffer for review.

True, some submissions that fit these patterns will be valid and should be accepted. But we've also seen that a bunch of submissions that fit these patterns were not valid and should have been scrutinized and rejected.

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@gromit82​ This is great insight, I'll share with the team.

Thanks!

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@Bethanny​ Why do so many of the shorts now have their titles changed to have "Betty Boop-" at the beginning? (e.g. "Betty Boop- Bimbo's Initiation (1931)") How would one go about removing these, as they are unsightly and unnecessary?

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@timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1​ To correct a title please follow our guidelines.

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@Bethanny​ The guidelines are not helpful because they only allow you to change the original title, which is already correct. The "Betty Boop-" thing appears as an alternate title that supersedes the original in searches and stuff, which I have no idea how to edit (perhaps this can only be done by staff?)

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@timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1​ 

You'll need to correct the alternate title.

Specifically the IMDb display title.

I went ahead and corrected it for BIMBO'S INITIATION.

It feels to me like there's a single obsessed person behind all these moronic changes to the Golden Age theatrical cartoons.

If that's true then it's incredible that IMDb cannot stop him.

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@jay_spirit​ Thanks, I figured out how to do it now.

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Bethanny: Considering that we are just getting over a massive vandalism to the Betty Boop cartoon titles, perhaps IMDb should have applied more skepticism to the data submissions which proposed these (imdb display titles) for these films.

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@gromit82​ 

Especially if these changes were made by the same person who vandalized the titles in the first place.

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@jay_spirit​ Should it be deleted from all of them? all the ones that say Betty Boop- in front?

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@Bethanny​ For the ones where the alternate title begins Betty Boop- with a hyphen immediately after the "p" in Boop, I think you can go ahead and delete all of those alternate title entries.

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@gromit82 

IMDb Community Forums | IMDb | Data Issues & Policy Discus...
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betty boop "tv series"
bderoes, Champion
Thu, Sep 12, 2019
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/betty-boop-tv-series/5f4a7a2e8815453dba9ca075

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6280424/episodes

The first problem is the series years: (1930–1939)

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similar problem here ? ?

[ The Three Stooges Collection TV Series ? ? ]
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Sat, May 1, 2021
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/the-three-stooges-collection-tv-series/608dd5667d101772332111be

The Three Stooges Collection (2007-2010)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11137618/reference

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11137618/episodes?season=1

These are Not TV Episodes

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Here are some other problematic "TV series" from the early days of television as listed by IMDb.

"Andy Panda" (1939-1949): Another series of theatrical short cartoons.

"Barney Bear" (1939-1954): Another series of theatrical short cartoons.

"British Movietone News" (1929-1979): Newsreels for theatrical release. This title even has a trivia entry that says, "This popular series was produced for showing in cinemas. Interestingly, it was also shown on experimental BBC TV during the 1930s." Produced for cinema ... first shown in cinemas ... not a TV series.

"British Pathé News" (1910-1970): Another series of newsreels for theatrical release. Note that the first television station did not begin operations until 1928, eighteen years after this supposed TV series debuted.

"Color Classics" (1934-1941): Another series of theatrical short cartoons.

"Comicolor cartoons" (1933-1936): Another series of theatrical short cartoons.

"Grand Prix Motor Racing" (1906-1949): Grand Prix motor racing, as a sport, started in 1906, but they weren't broadcasting it on television then. Vladimir Zworykin hadn't even started experimenting with television in a laboratory yet. 

"Hunky y Spunky" (1938-1941): Another series of theatrical short cartoons. For some reason, this title is in Spanish; it's an American series which should be listed as "Hunky and Spunky".

"John Wayne Classics" (1935-1963): These are theatrical feature films. I'm not sure what someone had in mind to submit them as a TV series.

"John Wayne Colorized Collection" (1934- ): See above, with the additional note that color television was still experimental in 1934 and there had not yet been any over-the-air color broadcasts.

"Parrotville" (1934-1935): Another series of theatrical short cartoons. The plot summary on IMDb says, ""Parrotville" is a classic U.S. animated series that first appeared in 1934 and was produced by Van Beuren Studio. It was created to showcase the new color technology possible for television." Maybe to showcase color technology for films, but definitely not for television.

"1937 Coronation" (1937- ): Probably a real television special, but the British don't crown their monarchs often enough to make it a regularly scheduled television series. In fact, they only had one 1937 coronation, another in 1953, and none since then.

More to come ...

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Daniel: That supports my point, that "1937 Coronation" was a TV special in 1937, not a TV series. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/p051mmwj says:

BBC Parliament marks the 80th anniversary of the Coronation of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth on 12 May 1937. Just five months after its launch, the BBC Television Service showed an hour-long live outside broadcast of the 1937 Coronation procession to the Abbey for its small number of television viewers. This was the first outside broadcast by the BBC and no copy of the live output survives. BBC film cameras were on hand though to record the remarkable achievement for this 4 1/2 minute film.

 

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@Daniel: Thanks for finding that link. This implies that we should replace "1937 Coronation" (1937), the supposed TV series, with The Coronation Procession (1937) (TV), a TV special.

Actually, the "1937 Coronation" (1937) entry is very confused. The plot outline says, "BBC Parliament marks the 80th anniversary of the Coronation of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth on 12 May 1937." The runtime of the broadcast is given as 5 minutes, which would correspond to https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/p051mmwj, the 2017 rebroadcast of what was left of the original broadcast, not to the original broadcast in 1937 which was an hour long. So the person who wrote the plot outline and assigned the runtime was trying to describe one of the broadcasts made on 12 May 2017, the 80th anniversary. 

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Wow, so we have to search every quarter to see if these things get re-implemented? <sigh>

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And here are some more ...

"Puppetoons" (1932-1942) (I)

"Puppetoons" (1932-1942) (II): George Pal's series of stop-motion animated theatrical shorts -- entered into the database twice.

"Rainbow Parade Cartoon" (1934-1936): Another series of theatrical short cartoons. 

"The Three Stooges" (1934-1959): A series of live-action theatrical short films.

"Toonerville" (1936): Another series of theatrical short cartoons.

"US Presidential Elections" (1928- ): While I assume that the BBC News would have reported on presidential elections in the United States as part of their regular news coverage, I am skeptical that they had a television series called "US Presidential Elections" in 1928, which was before the BBC even began to make any television broadcasts.

"Allen and Kendal" (1940-2015): I pointed out two years ago that this series appears to be some kind of YouTube production (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xeOPcRxgBM), not something from the 1940s. Note that the supposed "S1 E1 Pilot" on YouTube was streamed live on March 7, 2019, which would be 79 years after this series is supposed to have debuted.

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IMDb claims to be "the world's most popular and authoritative source for information on movies, TV shows and celebrities." Yet how can IMDb be considered authoritative if it doesn't demonstrate basic knowledge of television history, like when television came into common use? 

I think the fact that they changed their ambitions from being the most up to date/most complete/most accurate movie & tv database to being the most popular and authoritative movie & tv database is very, very telling...

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I'm bumping this thread, because the titles above being listed as supposed TV series is a problem that merits a response from the IMDb staff. I thought about taking the problem to the Help Desk, but given that the "Betty Boop" (1930) TV series was added once before and deleted, then re-added, that means that a systematic problem needs to be addressed, not just by having the individual titles deleted. 

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I'm going to keep bumping this thread until we get a staff response.

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I'm going to bump this again, since we have had no staff response to this thread after three weeks.

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@ACT_1 I thought about using the contact form and started to write a message there, but gave up because it was too difficult to explain there that I need an alleged TV series removed and all of its episodes converted back into films. Not to mention that there are about 20 titles that I've raised concerns with above, so I think this problem needs to be escalated to a slightly higher staff level for purposes of developing a policy to prevent such inclusions.

We need an algorithm like IF title-type=TV series AND year<1940 THEN send submission to a knowledgeable editor for review. Given that something like 20% of the listed titles that meet those criteria have significant problems, like not being TV series at all, they aren't receiving enough scrutiny before being accepted.

Also, maybe I'm missing something, but what do those Sprinklr user links have to do with contacting Taylor, Michelle, Rida, or Sally? I'm not aware of any private messaging system here on Sprinklr so I can't contact them directly as far as I know.

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gromit,

In our Sprinklr profiles, we have the option to receive notifications that "mention" us with the links Act_I invoked.

Hopefully IMDb staff have those notification options ON.

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@Col_Needham -- if you are getting notifications, this thread is one you might be interested in, as it reflects a serious problem with data accuracy.

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Hi gromit82 -

My sincere apologies for the delayed staff reply on this thread.  I have collected all the titles reported and requested an extensive clean-up with our editorial team.  I have also opened discussion for  improvements regarding flags and approvals surrounding TV Series title submissions with a start date of 1930 or earlier.

As soon as I have any updates on the status of the clean-up I will post them here.

Thanks again for catching these titles and reporting the inaccuracies!

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@Michelle Thank you for looking into this problem.

I would note, however, that any submission of a TV series title with a start of 1940 or earlier (not 1930 or earlier) ought to be scrutinized by the staff. There were a few actual TV series in the 1930s, but as indicated upthread, quite a few incorrect TV series from that decade have been mistakenly accepted into the database.

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The Betty Boop cartoon film series from the 1930s has some reason been placed as a TV series on IMDb even though they are theatrical cartoons and not a televison series, other theatrical cartoons film series from the same time period have not had the same treatment on the site.

Link to the IMDb page: tt15180956

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Why is Betty Boop categorised as a TV series?

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As it's been two months since this thread started and one month since Michelle acknowledged the problem, I think it's time for a bump.

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"Tex Avery" isn't a TV series
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/tex-avery-isnt-a-tv-series/6190cc13203b6a57f41e0935

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"Tex Avery" isn't a TV series
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12644110/ 

is a listing for a television series which doesn't exist. 
It is simply the filmography of director Tex Avery as collected by an  Internet uploader. 
The films all already have their own entries on IMDb, 
so the information, such as user votes, should be merged to the existing entries.
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Michelle
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Hi tbrainerd -
I have now moved/merged the episodes into the existing standalone movie title pages.
The incorrect series title should be removed from the site shortly.
Thanks again for your report!

Solved - Accepted Solution

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I think this issue needs another bump, as it has been three months since I raised the problem and the fake "Betty Boop" (1930) TV series is still listed.

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@gromit82 It's rather unbelievable this still hasn't been fixed...

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Thu, Aug 9, 2018 

Blocking TV shows that can't be that old
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/blocking-tv-shows-that-cant-be-that-old/5f4a79f28815453dba91e84c

I'm starting this thread, because of all the wrong tv series that turned up in this thread: 


TV series Looney Tunes 1930-ongoing - Part 2
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/tv-series-looney-tunes-1930-ongoing-part-2.

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/tv-series-looney-tunes-1930ongoing-part-2/5f4a7a018815453dba9513c5

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Marco
Mon Sep 20 2021 

A bump of this thread is apparently in order, which is extremely disappointing. 
Priorities for a database should be to try and block wrong data.
Apparently, blocking wrong data is not very high on the list of priorities.
Case in point: 

No, "Betty Boop" was not a TV series in 1930
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/no-betty-boop-was-not-a-tv-series-in-1930/61417e5e7999fd0798c634a5

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Michelle, Employee
Thu Dec 30 2021 
Hi Marco -
I'm not certain why this thread was marked "Solved",
however, I have now set the status to "In Progress" 
as there is a pending ticket to address the issue. 
I appreciate your feedback, 
and I understand the frustration for longstanding issues like this
that impact your contributions.
I just reviewed the ticket and unfortunately,
this specific issue is still pending prioritization.
I have made a note on the ticket to help give traction,
however, I don't have a timeframe on a resolution.
In the meantime, any updates I see I will be sure to post them on this thread.

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@ACT_1​ Thanks for linking to this earlier thread of mine. Unfortunately, it is still necessary. From a contributor point of view (a properly running database needs correct data!), it is very hard to believe that IMDb has their priorities right. Apart from this issue when it comes to data, two other issues easily spring to mind: there is still no room for data about dubbers (I asked this for the first time on the ol' Contributors Board in 2003) and the infamous five new genres have been waiting since 2006 to be added.

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In the 1950s-1960s, many theatrical shorts from the 1930s-1940s were anthologized into TV shows. For example, The Bugs Bunny Show (1960-1975) and The Road Runner Show (1966-1973), both of which were real shows made up of old Looney Tunes cartoons. In both of these cases, IMDb managed to add these actually-existing TV shows without altering the original titles for the original shorts. In the case of the Road Runner show, they did this by creating duplicate titles for every short/episode. The Bugs Bunny one combines three shorts into each episode. The important thing is that these new episode titles do not in any way affect the original shorts, except perhaps by luring voters away from the originals.

The abominable act of vandalism masquerading as the "Betty Boop" show breaks this precedent by retconning the original titles into "TV episodes". In addition to being factually incorrect, this change also results in loss of genre data as IMDb does not individualize genres for TV episodes. Bimbo's Initiation (1931), for example, no longer carries the genre 'Horror', and Minnie the Moocher (1932) featuring Cab Calloway no longer carries the genre "Musical" despite obviously being one. Falsely designating these as TV episodes also results in them being buried at the bottom of search results and user-created lists when sorted by popularity.

According to Wikipedia (the only source I could find on this subject), Betty Boop was briefly syndicated on television in 1955, but was phased out by the 1960s as color cartoons overtook black-and-white cartoons in popularity. It's possible, then, that there might be a legitimate case for adding Betty Boop as an anthology series if more reliable evidence can be found. However, if this is the case, and the anthology series is added, it should have a release date of 1955 or later and it should not have an effect on the original shorts.

I understand the appeal of having something like this to gather all of the Betty Boop titles in one place (it makes it easier for people trying to put together a list of "favorite cartoon series" or whatever), but there is simply no excuse for the sloppy, misleading, counterfactual way it was attempted in this case. IMDb has already set a precedent for how to add an anthology TV series and this does not even follow that protocol.

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P.S. For those interested, I did a count.

See here: Complete Betty Boop series, 1930-1939

Out of 126 theatrical shorts featuring the Betty Boop character released from 1930-1939, all but sixteen of them have been vandalized. Many of the sixteen lucky escapees are rare, hard-to-find or possibly lost, but they also include the highly-acclaimed, National Film Registry-preserved Snow-White (1933), which is fortunate.

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