List-Like Pages Beta

Agreed. The new lists is pointless change and extremely painful to use.
It was not broken and didn't need to be fixed.

@List_o_mania​ 

I have to completely agree with this. I just saw a preview of the new design for my Watch List and other lists that I have made and I'm in total shock, it looks like crap! The movie posters are too big and even worse, it's now one huge list. I wonder who comes up with these dumb ideas and even worse, why is it being approved? Just leave the old design, it's way better.

@Navin2000​ Do you have a screenshot of the larger movie posters — in the new design the posters are either smaller (desktop) or the same size (mobile)? 

@Col_Needham​ 

I'm talking about the desktop website, I don't use the mobile app. Just take a look at the difference between the old and new design. The old design isn't a huge list (very dumb idea), and I actually like the smaller posters.

Also, I just noticed something, isn't it possible to remember the view (detailed or grid) anymore? But anyway, the old design is much more streamlined and easy on the eye. And I really like to be able to see only 100 titles per page, instead of one huge list. 

Actually, I wanted to post links to the old and new design, but this isn't possible, so first load the old design (see link) and then choose the new design in a new tab. I always use the grid view, which should be selected in the new design.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls046424878/?sort=list_order,asc&st_dt=&mode=grid&page=1&ref_=ttls_vw_grd

@Navin2000​

I'm talking about the desktop website

Thanks for the clarification; the posters in old/new grid view are the same size, however, based on customer feedback, we now provide additional info and links in grid view which does indeed make the overall space consumed larger.  

Also, I just noticed something, isn't it possible to remember the view (detailed or grid) anymore?

The view is not “sticky” in the old view either, but it is something we can at least now consider once the rest of the technology migration is complete (the iOS app already supports this).  If you are referring to navigating away from the list to a title page and then using your browser “back” button to return to the list, then the workaround for now is to open the titles in a new tab. 

And I really like to be able to see only 100 titles per page, instead of one huge list. 

The background on a paged view vs. an infinite scroll are explained on https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/imdbcom/listlike-pages-beta/65eb48a1e093635d1b21e0e7?commentId=65f46b9028fefa4e27a720e1&replyId=65f56fdded76fb2772059d66 

Thanks for the clarification; the posters in old/new grid view are the same size, however, based on customer feedback, we now provide additional info and links in grid view which does indeed make the overall space consumed larger.  

I really don't believe the posters are of the same size, did you take a look at the old and new design of my favorite movies list? And yes, the overal consumed space is indeed larger, this is what I don't like. It's not need and tidy. Of course I can try to switch to another zoom level (let's say 80%), this does make things better, but then the rest of IMDB doesn't look good, so this is no solution.

The view is not “sticky” in the old view either, but it is something we can at least now consider once the rest of the technology migration is complete (the iOS app already supports this).

What I meant is that if I select the grid view in the old design, I can bookmark this and it will be remembered the next time I open the list via my bookmarks manager.

And you got to be kidding me about the infinite scroll issue. You guys don't see any problem with this? If I make a list with 1000 movies for example, I can now bookmark pages per 100 titles, so page 1 to 10. That's how I like it, because I can directly navigate to let's say movies 500 to 600. There is no way to do this with the new and pointless infinite scroll design. This really should be changed, give an option to disable it. This new design takes all the fun out of both making and viewing lists, you guys really dropped the ball on this one.

Also, perhaps you guys can switch to a new forum system, because this one seems to be broken, I can not even quote you without running into trouble, it somehow doesn't copy the selected text, but a whole bunch of other stuff that I did NOT select, this is crazy. And when you edit your post, the editing window is quite small.

@Navin2000​ Thanks for the feedback on bookmark support; we have passed this along to the lists team. 

Hi @Navin2000​ -

Thanks again for this great suggestion, I'm just following up to confirm that the team has added this for consideration.

@timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1​ You can insert line breaks by using SHIFT+ENTER.  This is covered in the FAQ for the beta, but this has been delayed in going live. 

@Col_Needham​ Does this mean I will have to go through my list of 3,000 names and manually hit SHIFT+ENTER for every name that has more than one line just to get it back to the way it was before the update? Sounds like a blast.

@timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1​ Ah no, any existing line breaks should still be present.  If you have lists which have lost the line breaks in the descriptions, please can you (a) provide 2-3 examples which have lost the line breaks (b) do not edit the descriptions of these example lists until we have been able to take a look (c) let us know which browser you are using on which system [and if you have another browser installed, please check it has the same issue]. 

@timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1​ Sorry, we see you are referring to the notes field; this appears to be bug which will investigate.  

Shift to add a line break, seems unusual.

When making lists for polls we usually need line breaks, and sometimes we have to ask users to use them. In fact we have to use double line breaks because the poll feature ignores single line breaks, similarly to the bug above.

@Col_Needham​ I was referring to both descriptions and the notes field, which seem to be having the same issue. The list I screenshotted above (https://www.imdb.com/list/ls082480051/) is supposed to have a line break in its description.

Most of my lists don't have descriptions (although many of them have notes). Out of the ones that do, the only line breaks that are still there are the double line breaks (i.e. fully separated paragraphs).

National Film Registry: First (1989-1992) - no line breaks

National Film Registry: 1963-1976 - no line breaks

Westerns That Aren't Westerns - this one still has the paragraphs separated, but one of those paragraphs was originally a block quote. It seems there is no longer any way of putting block quotes in the description, which is totally not cool at all.

excuse me, I'm a star (I was in Breaking Bad and/or Better Call Saul) - this doesn't have anything in the list description spot, but it does have notes on every entry. This is another example of how not having line breaks makes it look a lot worse. The double line breaks are still there, but sometimes people want to use single line breaks and that option should not be taken away.

EDIT: And yes, I checked a different browser and the problem is exactly the same in both Firefox and Edge (these are the only two browser I have).

@Col_Needham​ The main issue here, which applies to both the list descriptions and the notes field, is that the new update is ignoring single line breaks and only displaying the double line breaks (or paragraph breaks). Pressing SHIFT+ENTER doesn't solve this issue, it only creates paragraph breaks, which is not what I actually want (I only called them "paragraph breaks" in my initial comment because I didn't know how else to describe what I was talking about).

If I were writing essays or journal entries in these notes fields, I would have no need for single line breaks. I would only need to separate paragraphs. On lists like the National Film Registry Stars one, however, I am not using the notes just to rattle off random thoughts, I'm using them to list off relevant data, and for that data to be easily digestible, I need single line breaks.

Each name on that list is a person who starred in at least one National Film Registry title. In the notes field, I provide a complete list of every NFR title they had a role in. I'm not writing prose. I don't want them all to run on in a single line. I also don't want to create a whole separate paragraph for each title in their mini-filmography. It would look weird and ugly, take up tons of extra space pointlessly, and be more confusing and hard to read.

I sincerely hope that this is truly just a bug as you say, and not a part of the design that just completely overlooked the need for singular line breaks in addition to whole paragraph breaks.

@timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1​  Thanks for the extra details and examples.  We will take a look at what is happening here as, for example, my list descriptions are fine. The notes issue was missed during testing though — hence the reason for public betas. 

Thanks for the thorough bug report, we've fixed a bug in our rendering system that wasn't converting newlines to HTML breaks. Your list now has the correct breaks in it. Please let us know if you find any other text rendering inconsistencies between the old and new experience that we missed in our test cases.

@Jeff_IMDb​ Thanks, Jeff. The line breaks in the notes section have all been fixed in the lists I've mentioned, so that's good. The National Film Registry Stars one is still not displaying the line break in its description (although this has been fixed in the National Film Registry: First (1989-1992) one.)

Do you have anything to add about the block quote issue I mentioned? This is still not displaying in the Westerns That Aren't Westerns list. Is this a bug or are block quotes no longer supported?

It might take up to 24 hours for strings without linked names and titles in them to be fixed. If you want to test before that, if you added another character to it and save it, it should refresh the cache.

I see the block quote in the description when I load the page. It's split out into its own lines, specifically this:

Should contain numerous scenes and/or a narrative where the portrayal is similar to that of frontier life in the American West during 1600s to contemporary times. Objective.

Is the concern that it's not pulled forward into a indented quote like Sprinklr does? That would be a difference in our new styling -- since it looks like it's rendering correctly to HTML, but the CSS is different now.

@Jeff_IMDb​ I don't know if it somehow looks different to you, but on the page I'm looking at the quote looks no different than any of the other paragraphs. There is no visual indication whatsoever that it is supposed to be a quote. If this is by design, it defeats the entire purpose of designating it as such.

This is how the old and new versions look side by side:

Thanks, that's what I meant, apologies if I wasn't clear. The team that owns front end styling is taking a look at that problem now.

Our front end team has re-added the blockquote indentation and line. It doesn't look exactly the same as before, but it now stands out as it hopefully should.

Hi @timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1​ -

I'm just following up to confirm that we will correct the list item notes.

Hi @timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1 -

I'm just circling back to confirm that blockquote has now been fixed!

@Col_Needham​ I don't use the Check-ins, but I prefer that the Watchlist stays automatically sorted with the oldest entries displayed first. When I open my watchlist, I want to see the ones that have been waiting the longest, so to speak. The more recent additions to the watchlist can wait; after all, that's the whole point of putting them in the watchlist instead of, you know, watching them immediately.

Lists, on the other hand, should always automatically be in list order. On the mobile app, they always automatically start off with recent additions first, which throws me off. Most of the lists I make are in a specific order and I would rather not have the web version emulate this aspect of the mobile version.

@Col_Needham​ I use Check-ins quite a lot and an option to automatically sort them from the most recent to the least recent ones would definitely be helpful. If not by default, it would also help if we could change sorting settings to whatever we prefer and keep them that way. Currently not only the list order but also the view are reseted each time I close the list, which is a bit frustrating.

@Stormcatcher​ Thanks for confirming on your preference for the default on check-ins.  We too would prefer to store the view settings on a customer-by-customer and list-by-list basis — it is something on the list for when the technology migration is complete (this is already how the IMDb iOS app operates). 

@Col_Needham is there any chance that the Check-ins will get the recent-first sorting before the whole website is transferred to the new platform? Only the new layout has been introduced, but since you mentioned that a changed default sorting is also your preference, could you specify when it is planned to be implemented?

@Peter_pbn​ Thanks — we are looking into this. 

@Peter_pbn​ The editing issues on your phone should be fixed now.  Thanks again for the problem report. 

@Peter_pbn​ This is a good point, thanks. 

@Peter_pbn​ This might sound silly, but I would prefer it this change was not made. I tend to compulsively highlight text as I'm perusing through my lists, and it would ruin my ability to do that if every time I clicked on the note it started editing it.

@paxd77​ Thanks for the feedback on this. 

Agreed, I prefer the specific vs. the rounded numbers, since the specific numbers aren't even available on the title page anymore either.

Hi @paxd77​ -

Thanks again for your feedback.  I can confirm that we will be maintaining consistency with rest of IMDb.

@Papa_Nico83​ Thanks for the feedback.  The lists team are monitoring this thread and will look at your points. 

Oh and there no "sort by" anymore ? 

The sort options should be at the top of the list, along with additional filters available via the filter button, as in:

If you are not seeing this, please follow the steps in https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/common-issues/why-is-imdb-displaying-differently-on-my-browser/GF2ZAR69V859XLHF

Hope this helps. 

@Col_Needham​ It remind me only now, but i think the list team should be inspire by this website. https://www.senscritique.com/ I am sorry it's a french website, there is not english. 

I was only user of IMDB 10 years ago, but after change the list design a first time, i search other website and find this one, finally because this other website do not have all informations about movies, and the database is way more complete in IMDB, i decide to come back in here even if the list system is not so good, but like what, 2 weeks later, i see you are going to make this change, but if the list team are not listening the users and keep it the way it is right now, i will quit again IMDB for Senscritique. So i really hope you will consider feedback and not ignore it like before.

Like you see, in this website, the system look like the way you want to go now. A system of drag and drop. With the arrow you can move up or down an item in the list. You can also click and type the position you want your item go. You can remove easely an item from the list by clicking in the cross. And as you can see, it's a system of pages. Many pages mean also different URL. As you can see, the number of page is in the adress URL of the page. You want to change page further than the few numbers you can see in the pagination, you just have to modify the URL. So if i'm looking for the item number 700 for exemple, just a little math and i can find it easely. Actually the way you make the scroll right now, it's like to have a page system without pagination. You know what i mean ? It's really painful.

@Papa_Nico83​ Thanks for sharing the example. 

@fillbee​ Thanks for the feedback. We are investigating the speed issue with drag-and-drop on large lists, however, the return of drag-and-drop itself is in response to customer demand from when this feature was removed in 2017, please see  https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/imdbcom/lists-drag-and-drop-needs-to-return/5f4a79f28815453dba91d2b1 and https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/imdbcom/lists-edit-list-enhancement-requests/5f4a79e68815453dba8f129d 

@fillbee​ 

The option to move the option to a specific number appears when I click the little arrow on the right.

Hi @fillbee​ -

I'm just following up here to confirm that you can still use numbers, its available in the overflow menu. We will also add an FAQ to cover this.

@fillbee​ The drag-and-drop speed issues should be fixed now. 

@Peter_pbn​ Thanks for these, which the team have seen and will look into. 

Hi @Peter_pbn​ -

Just following up to confirm that we will update the FAQ to be more specific. For your second question, this doesn't work on mobile, so if you need to expand you will want to use desktop.

Seventh thing:

Still in Edit mode: Click on the "check all" box with 100 items displayed, and a red box pops up with complaint "You selected more than the limit of 50 items. Please deselect 50 items."

So the "ckeck all" box will only be useful on lists of 50 or less? I suggest you remove any such restriction. After all, we had 250 items on a page before, and this worked fine.

Eighth thing:

How I copy items from another user's list? That seems to be gone. I see Export, but that downloads to CSV. Current-version allows copying selected items (or check-all on the page).

Back to the Seventh Thing, apparently I can't really copy from my own list either? At least not by using the check-all box when the list has more than 50 items? The Copy/Move/Delete options are grayed out when 100 items are selected.

Ninth thing:

In View Mode: Refine options are static in the new version. In the current version, once you've selected a date range, the other options adapt to showing totals/possibilities for those titles only. Now the totals/possibles are still for the entire list, even after displaying the result of the date range. Example:

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls528395279/?year=%2C1953

shows all the keywords for the full 250-item list. It would be more useful to show only the keywords relevant to the 27 results of the year restriction.

@bderoes​ Thanks for all of these ... the team will look at them.

Tenth thing:

Adding a title accepts the full URL in the current version, but needs the title constant in the preview Beta. Please support the full URL in addition to the tt constant. (Didn't test Name add, but full URL desired there too.)

Eleventh things:

- The Edit box for item description is tiny - only 2 lines vertically. Please expand it.

- Once you've clicked out of the item description box, it displays what you've entered, but truncates instead of wrapping the lines, so you can't see what you've done unless you switch to View mode. Illustration:

Edit Mode:

View mode:

@bderoes​ 

- The Edit box for item description is tiny - only 2 lines vertically. Please expand it.

You should be able to expand this yourself by dragging the symbol in the lower right of the notes field (similar to main list description field when editing that):

Hope this helps.

@Col_Needham​ For long paragraphs, expanding the description box might help, but it won't solve the issue (unless maybe you happen to have two or three computer monitors). Looking at the images bderoes provided, you can see how inconvenient it is to not have the text wrap while in edit mode.

@Col_Needham​ 

On the current system, the edit box auto-expands with the amount of lines added. 

The problem with having to manually expand is that you have to grab the target very carefully. Most of the item card is ready for drag-and-drop movement, which I don't like. Better to use a smaller zone near the drag indicator left of the position number for drag/drop.

(new) part 3 of Eleventh thing:

I dislike very much that every time I navigate away from the tab where Edit is open, and I have a description box open, that box gets closed.

For instance, I'm writing something, need to look up some info (like a tt code to provide a link), and when I come back I have to (likely expand the edit box and) find the item I was working on, find the place within the description, and place my cursor where it was before I left.

(Edited to add bolded text.)

Hi @bderoes​ -

Just to touch point on these raised issues:

1) We will continue to monitor feedback on this.
2) Its a generic text for different list types, there is no expected change at this time.
3) We are looking into adding the list order and basic sort options on edit screen.
4) Our team has reviewed this feedback and will monitor, but there is no expected change to be made at this time.
5) Unfortunately, we cannot provide guidance for tapermoney issues.
6) & 7) Our team will continue to monitor for feedback on this issue.
8) Our team is investigating this further.
9) We will continue to monitor for more feedback and review with our product team.

10) Regarding the URL, thanks for this feedback, our team will review this optimization request as part of ongoing improvement work.

@Michelle​ Thanks for the updates. But you did not mention items 10 and 11(pt2).

@bderoes​ Where does that colorization script you mentioned come from? Do you have a source URL or hosting site? It may not be that hard to fix, even if the original author isn't supporting it anymore.

...Actually, I think I found it, but never mind. I take it back: Any such script would be almost impossible to make work in the new Edit mode.

Scripts like that work by detecting IMDb title links on the page, parsing out the tt####### identifier from the link URL, and then using that identifier to match the linked title against some data. (The contents of your lists, in this case.)

Problem is, in the new design's Edit view, not only is the title of each item NOT a link, but the item's identifier (tt#######) is not associated with the item anywhere. There is absolutely no way for a script to determine what IMDb content item an edit-mode row represents, because the content identifier is found nowhere in the page data.

Each row on the list has its own, unique identifier — li########## — that's presumably associated with the content identifier in the IMDb backend, but I don't see where that information is ever propagated into the edit view.

@Michelle​

2) Its a generic text for different list types, there is no expected change at this time.

Meaning, if it's a Titles list it says "Add a title to this list", if it's a People list it says "Add a name to this list", etc.

I really don't think that's so bad. It's a one-time confusion at worst, and I think people will quickly adapt.

@FeRDNYC​

Problem is, in the new design's Edit view, not only is the title of each item NOT a link, but the item's identifier (tt#######) is not associated with the item anywhere. There is absolutely no way for a script to determine what IMDb content item an edit-mode row represents, because the content identifier is found nowhere in the page data.

We are looking at adding the links back in edit mode so hold on to that thought.

@FeRDNYC / @bderoes  Items are now linked in edit mode again, along with many other changes and improvements across last week and this. 

@bderoes​ From your list above, the first thing / next thing / fourth thing / fifth thing / seventh thing should all now be fixed.   Thanks again for the problem reports. 

Just give us pages instead of an endless scroll or the option to jump ahead to a certain point in the list. I can put up with everything else, but the endless scroll with no other options but to constantly load more and more entries has no advantages, especially on a long list.

@List_o_mania​ Thanks for the feedback, please see our response to @gromit82 later in the thread at https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/imdbcom/listlike-pages-beta/65eb48a1e093635d1b21e0e7?commentId=65f46b9028fefa4e27a720e1&replyId=65f56fdded76fb2772059d66 

@ACT_1​ The beta is promoted on every list page already.  The Poll board is for poll ideas. 

@Col_Needham​ 😁

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Everyone there may not see
"a floating button in the lower right corner of all current List-Like pages." 
and click on it 

🙄

And add comments here

😀😝

Do not see any from

GabrielFox
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khadafimahfud8
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jaf_ismael
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Aris_Athanas
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Maxence_G
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Jessica
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IMDb-Editors

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Large Lists ??

ksm51746
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MyMovies: VHS
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MyMovies: DVD
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Now:
539,000,000 Lists ??
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls539000000/

This list is not public
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@ACT_1​ The poll community members are unlikely to be creating lists with > 100 items (certainly not for use in polls anyway) so they will be unaffected by any issues relating to pagination, which (outside of small bug reports with fixes underway) is where the majority of the feedback has landed so far.  The new list pages offer significant improvements over the old ones. 

@Col_Needham​ 😀

a few more Listers that may not read or comment here??

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jrrthk7
IMDb member since July 2012
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Movies Watched The Big List - 10,000 titles created  9 March  2013
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Tv Episodes Watchlist created - 6 Nov 2019  10,000 titles
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Tv Episodes Watchlist 3 created - 30 Dec 2019  10,000 titles
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frankcoulier
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https://www.imdb.com/list/ls006779228/

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TJ-Kirby
https://www.imdb.com/user/ur52920823/

Werecats in Outer Space Cntd  created 25 Feb 2021 - 10,000 names
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@gromit82​  Thanks for the feedback.  The scrollable / infinite feed is here to stay as there are many use cases this way around, specifically being able to view / print / search a list in its entirety vs. only in 100 item chunks.  The general switch to this style of view for lists / search results across IMDb is based on customer feedback, research, and modern UI practices. However, you (and others) are raising good points here and we will look at options to skip to specific points in the list and/or change the default number of items loaded per click and/or add an “All” option to more easily bring everything into view. 

Hi @gromit82​ -

Just following up to share that we are in the process of improving pagination.  Thanks again for the helpful feedback!

@Col_Needham​ To be fair, while it is a "common/modern" UI design approach, it does have a lot of drawbacks as well. Neither one is perfect

@jpjgabby​ Thanks for the feedback.  We will take a look, but in the meantime, a workaround is to open any title pages which you wish to view in a new browser tab — this way the grid layout will be retained in the initial tab. 

Hi @jpjgabby​ -

Just wanted to confirm that we will work on adding a URL parameter and memory to website.  Thanks again for your report!