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Sunday, June 25th, 2023 5:39 AM

Live Poll: Watch a Nazis Banned Book

The list page: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls520239547/?ref_=m_ur

poll page: https://www.imdb.com/poll/UfVIR6rtey0/

The sources for this poll are [url]https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/101688.Books_Banned_by_Nazis[/url]
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments[/url]
And 
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_banned_in_Nazi_Germany[/url]
While book banning in schools and school libraries in the USA is a hot button issue today, I, not the IMDb, I personally think it doesn’t compare to the level where Hitler took it. He didn’t just ban books in school libraries and in schools, he banned them in all public libraries, arrested authors, confiscated books, burned books, and at first restricted sales in bookstores, and then out right banned sales and publication. That is real book banning. The worst part of it is that many titles on the Nazis banned list included many authors who weren’t German. But staying with German and Austrian-German authors and Jewish German authors first, and then going to non-German authors later, many films have been made from their works. Many were made outside of Germany during Hitler’s lifetime. But the most ironic twist of fate and poetic justice is that after World War 2 ended, Hitler’s own book, “Mein Kampf”, was banned in Germany until it fell into public domain.
Which of these film versions made from a Hitler banned book is your favorite? 

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11 months ago

This was not easy to make. The German titles made it hard. And so many whose entire body of work was banned (for what I consider were for some stupid reasons in some cases*, and in some others you can see why) made it hard too. It was made rather badly. It needs improvement. 
if you guys got better picks, I think I’ll trim down London, H. G. Wells, and Hemingway a bit. But “The Iron Heel” has to stay.

One thing I did come to the conclusion is that if Hitler had banned a children’s book or family fare, Disney had filmed it and made a ton of money. Walt may not have known it, but I’ll bet you he did, Walt stuck it to Hitler while Adolph was still living!

* banning “Ivanhoe” and “Oliver Twist” because they had Jewish characters in them? Hello, someone didn’t read Oliver Twist because Fagan is not a hero in that book. He is a villain.

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11 months ago

My favorite film of these is probably 'The Trial.' 

May I suggest one small edit to the last sentence? (dropped the "s" from films)

Which of these film versions made from Hitler’s banned books list is your favorite?

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@rubyfruit76​ okey. Nice to hear from you again.

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11 months ago

Bumper

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11 months ago

Out of the 9 I've seen.

Best: All Quiet in the Western Front

Favorite: The Time Machine

And indeed the book banning in schools is really worrysome

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@Pencho15​ I get to yours later, but mainly, I agree it is a serious subject but it is more focus on getting access to children over parents rights and objections. Unlike Hitler’s banned books, these books are still available at bookstores, and public libraries if the student or parent or adult wants to get them. Hitler and the Nazis wouldn’t allow that. Hitler trampled parent’s rights.

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In general, institutes for educating juveniles are dictatorships. While it is perfectly fine the focus on how school districts bar specific materials from including in the libraries within schools within the respective districts, we must remember that the folks who make the rules for these kinds of schools don't want to allow students to express themselves without limitation. Students are also denied privacy to a significant degree. While there has to be a prescribed justification for detaining, suspending or expelling any student, the power to do so can be carried out arbitrarily, including not at all despite being both justified and necessary. Without a lawsuit,(if even allowable by the contractual agreement) a poor judgment by the school district usually cannot be undone by an outside party. I'm not sure I see the point of even mentioning any part of the problems of the many ways that students are governed or so supposed to be governed. Really all these decisions are up to the superintendent of a particular network of schools, or the principal of a particular school, to decide what is or isn't allowed, doing so on behalf of the attending students' parents and on behalf of other concerned citizens within the overall neighborhood of the schools.

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11 months ago

Please correct:

The sources for this poll are

I, not the IMDb as a whole

and then going to non-German authors later,

Some were made outside of Germany of German works during Hitler’s lifetime

(not sure what you meant to write here)

is that after World War 2 was ended, Hitler’s own book, “Mein Kampf”,

#18: "The Story of Ferdinand" by Munro Leaf.

#23: All of H. G. Wells' works were banned!

#31: There are other movies with the same title, but this is the one based on his novel.

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@Jessica​ done. Thanks

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@dgranger​ 

You missed two:

The sources for this poll are

is that after the World War 2 was ended

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Done. Btw, I did changed “after the World War 2 was ended” to “after World War 2 ended”. I just didn’t change it on this page.  I had figured getting rid of “The” and “was” made sentence less clumsy.

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11 months ago

The worst part of it is that many titles on the Nazis banned list included many authors who weren’t German.

I don't think that's the worst part.

But staying with German and Austrian-German authors and Jewish German authors first

You have already listed several non-Germans.

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@Peter_pbn​ In many ways I agree. Arresting the authors, confiscating the books, banning the book because it was written by a Jew (Bambi) and not by content, 

- or because the book contained Jewish characters but they didn’t read the book to see how the characters were portrayed! I didn’t check for “The Merchant of Venice” but I’ll bet they banned that too. 
… can all be seen as worst.

as for the other comment, I did try to do it. That is where the German titles interfered because many times the titles were changed when film was made in another language. Even just translating the titles into English so I can search for them that way. Notice the I had put more German titles in later on the list as I found them. Also I knew about “The Golem” early and listed the silent film masterpiece early in the list but had to remove it when I found out it didn’t credit the book that was banned, and I had to look for one that did. 
Besides, I don’t think a film can be made on the philosophical and political theory works by Marx, Trotsky, Lenin, Thomas Paine, and Engels (more than a few were in the top 99).

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11 months ago

Tolkien isn't on the German source list that Wikipedia references. Someone just added him to Wikipedia without a source. 

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@Peter_pbn​ it is on the good reads list as one of the top 99 books that the Nazis banned.  Number 72.

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@dgranger​ 

The Goodreads list is just based on Wikipedia, as stated.

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It was added by an IP with this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=994962725

That IP is banned on Wikipedia for 3 years, likely due to vandalism like this.

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@mbmb​ Tolkien was effectively banned when he sent an answer back to his German publisher’s letter asking him to give proof of his aryan descent which Tolkien took to mean they were asking if he was a Jew. Tolkien was insulted. The German publisher didn’t like the answer and refused to publish the book. Also Tolkien refused to have his book published in German if the publisher was going to fallow Nazis policy. So yeah, this is a case where Hitler’s policy banned books from being published and Tolkien took a  stand against that policy. That is why “The Hobbit” did not get published in a German translation until 1957, almost 20 years after it was first published in England.

I have proof of this but sprinkler is marking those posts as private. So I have to delete those posts and replace them with this.

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@Peter_pbn​ Tolkien was effectively banned when he sent an answer back to his German publisher’s letter asking him to give proof of his aryan descent which Tolkien took to mean they were asking if he was a Jew. Tolkien was insulted. The German publisher didn’t like the answer and refused to publish the book. Also Tolkien refused to have his book published in German if the publisher was going to fallow Nazis policy. So yeah, this is a case where Hitler’s policy banned books from being published and Tolkien took a  stand against that policy. That is why “The Hobbit” did not get published in a German translation until 1957, almost 20 years after it was first published in England.

I have proof of this but sprinkler is marking those posts as private. So I have to delete those posts and replace them with this.

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@dgranger​ 

I received your posts as email notifications. The articles don't really say why the book wasn't published. Since Tolkien wasn't Jewish and wrote in the quoted letter that he was English and German, I don't know why he would have been officially banned, but I guess it's possible.

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@Peter_pbn​ it gets very clear when you start investigating the man who owned the company. He wasn’t the original owner. When he took over, he fired all the Jewish employees and stopped publishing books by Jewish authors and authors who were politically against Nazism. In other words, he followed the Nazis policy. Tolkien was politically against Nazism, and it shows in his answer. In his private letters, Tolkien called Hitler the worst thing you could call a German at that time.

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11 months ago

According to one of the Wikipedia lists and the German source list the Jack London ban applied to three books only. Other websites do say that Call of the Wild was also banned or burned.

Martin Eden was filmed a few years ago.

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11 months ago

War of the Worlds will probably get my vote or Ferdinand. Interesting set of books though, I wonder were these titles just titles he didn't like so he banned them or where they against his (Nazi) ideology?

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@themoviesmith​ I don’t why Ferdinand. But some were because the author was Jewish. Some were because they had Jewish characters, including “The Great Gatsby” ( racist and predictable book in my opinion, ). As far as H. G. Wells goes, he does get political in his books. In “The Time Machine” he talks about communism and he says that the Morlocks were descendants of the working class, and the Eloi were the descendants of the rich upper class that has grown fat and lazy.

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i forgot, sex too. The Nazis were against homosexuality (included both gay and lesbian in that statement) and sexual promiscuity. Two on this list wrote about that.

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11 months ago

"Lord of the Rings" surely wasn't banned by the Nazis, because it was released in July 1954, ten years after the end of the Nazis' reign. And I remember when I was in school, the few Neo-Nazis at school loved it.

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@Breumaster​ , “The Hobbit” is not a part of the “The Lord of the Rings” trilogy. It was a separate book aimed at young readers/children, and it was published in September 21, 1937, shortly before the war. “TLotR” started out as a sequel to “The Hobbit”. That is why everybody today calls it the prologue to TLotR.

Man, does it feel good to use the IMDb old style abbreviations to movie titles again! Thanks, Breumaster for the opportunity!

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@Breumaster​ Tolkien was effectively banned when he sent an answer back to his German publisher’s letter asking him to give proof of his aryan descent which Tolkien took to mean they were asking if he was a Jew. Tolkien was insulted. The German publisher didn’t like the answer and refused to publish the book. Also Tolkien refused to have his book published in German if the publisher was going to fallow Nazis policy. So yeah, this is a case where Hitler’s policy banned books from being published and Tolkien took a  stand against that policy. That is why “The Hobbit” did not get published in a German translation until 1957, almost 20 years after it was first published in England.

I have proof of this but sprinkler is marking those posts as private. So I have to delete those posts and replace them with this.

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Calm down. I knew that "The Hobbit" wasn't published in Hitler-Germany, but Jesus ... 9 years after? Still today no one is allowed to do a Hitlersalut or speak out several quotes of the regime, except he/she/* wants to go to jail or pay a fine for it. I guess that Tolkien just went to the wrong guys. Weren't there any other business-connections to publish the book? After war Germany was very ashamed of itself. No one would admit to have voted them or have been a part of the machine. They all had a big grief and wanted nothing more as forgetting the old regime ... at least most of them. They were fully concentrated to build up a new Germany with new laws to overcome the indignity. So it is a little strange for me to believe that he had no way to publish it in Germany, but I read that he was upset about the German translation and helped to make it better, to bring more origin-style to it. ... If I can say it that way. :)

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I just see you took "The Hobbit". So it's correct. If you look at my first post on it, I was clearly talking about "Lord of the Rings". So my post was only correct ... for "Lord of the Rings". ;)

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@Breumaster​   Was wondering about that myself why it took so long for the translation after the war. But then you should see the story about him rejecting the cover art for the original English publication. He was picky.

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10 months ago

Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/UfVIR6rtey0/

Congratulations Dgranger

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I forgot to say thank you. I should of because this subject is important to me. Thank you. Please forgive my delay. 
btw. I voted for Bambi.