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P.S.: Cyborg Showdown

The list page: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls046070724/
According to Dictionary.com, a Cyborg is defined as “a person whose physiological functioning is aided by or dependent upon a mechanical or electronic device” or “(in science fiction) a living being whose powers are enhanced by computer implants or mechanical body parts”. With Alita: Battle Angel (2019) giving the movie fans a host of new cyborgs, along with older films and some famous tv series, which is your favorite that adhere strictly to the cyborg definition, human being or alien race? No humanoid robots, androids or terminators!
Since I know I don’t have them all, go here to suggest some, especially if their film or television series appear on the IMDb list for the “Cyborg” keyword.
https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword?k...

In research for this, and the author of this poll hopes I’m very wrong about this, it appears that no one did a poll on cyborgs. And cyborgs is not listed as a category on FAQ: List of Polls Alphabetical Within Category. Cyborgs are not robots!
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Just a little more info from ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg
a being with both organic and biomechatronic body parts.
The term was coined in 1960 by Manfred Clynes and Nathan S. Kline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_cyborgs
3 Movies (including television movies)
3.1 1950s
3.2 1960s
3.3 1970s
3.4 1980s
3.5 1990s
3.6 2000s
3.7 2010s

4 Television series
4.1 1960s
4.2 1970s
4.3 1980s
4.4 1990s
4.5 2000s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(disambiguation)

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Thank you. It is extremely helpful. It not only brought up cyborgs that O had forgot about, it settled a question I was on the fence about Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. I will include more later. Especially Doc Oct and Neo! Oh and the reason why I am not including the terminators is also the same reason why l’m not including Daryl from “D.A.R.Y.L.”, a film I’d dearly liked - under the strict definition of cyborg, the brains of the cyborg would have to be human or alien. The terminators had robot computer brains and robotic skeletons covered with “living tissue”. And in “D.A.R.Y.L.”, he had a computer for a brain surrounded by a cloned body grown in a laboratory.

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Thanks dan.

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For your consideration:

 https://d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net/s3_images/1778434/RackMultipart20190224-45273-xgd9xu-1995_Mean_Machine_Angel.png?1550998548

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Name and movie please. I don’t know this character.

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Judge Dredd, starring Sylvester Stallone.

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dgranger,

This is where a Google image search come in handy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_Machine_Angel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxaAC8AN6g

Judge Dredd (1995)
Christopher Adamson: Mean Machine
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113492/characters/nm0011478

The current images on IMDb do not seem to be adequate.

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Good point. My apologies.

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What, no Terminators!!!  :)  LOL.  Then I choose Steve Austin or Jamie Sommers.

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Don’t worry guys. I haven’t given up on this. Debating as to weather Ironman/ Tony Stark qualifies as a cyborg. Will include Neo and cowboy rebop.

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You could define cyborg as a human who has seamless prosthetic substitutes for his or her body parts (except for the cerebrum) or additional parts (like how Otto Octavio is or maybe how Geordi La Forge is), which is the common parlance surrounding "cyborg" anyway.

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Also I am currently trying to finish up some books before my next book club meeting. Trying to finish up on my own “Murder, D.C.” by Neely Tucker. A journalist investigating a murder in a story that harkens back to the old fashioned hard boiled detective stories of old.

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7 years ago

Great list and a subject I very much like. 

I would argue that T-800 terminators qualify, although many people will disagree as persistent terminology is that mentally considering something like a robot coated with biological material a cyborg is too much for many people...

Anyhow, FYC:
Man from Tetsuo (1989)
T-800 Terminator from The Terminator (1984)
Mike Peterson/Deathlock in "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." (2013-)
John Corben/Metallo from "Supergirl" (2015-) (alternatively one from "Smallville")
Hank Henshaw/Cyborg Superman from "Supergirl" (2015-)
Marcus Wright from Terminator Salvation (2009)
Philip from Cyborg Cop (1993)
Cyborg from American Cyborg: Steel Warrior (1993)
Donald Pierce from Logan (2017)
Baxter Stockman from "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" (2003-)

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Sorry for taking so long to answer you. This a subject that I got heated over. As a freindly gesture, I’m warning you may not like this answer. How do I start this. It seems that the defining point of a cyborg versus a robot using synthetic skin is the brains and intelligence. If the brain is organic and the intelligence is resulting from an organic brain, then it is a cyborg. Of the brain is a computer and the intelligence is a very elaborate Artificial Intelligence program, then it is a robot or android.
Now I’m going to name two films that I own in my film collection. One is popular that you know of, the orginnal “The Terminator” movie with the T- 800, and the other is a lesser known hard core science fiction movie made to look like a family freindly kid movie, D.A.R.Y.L. (1985). ( If you are going to look up “D.A.R.Y.L.” On the IMDb, you have to type in the periods after every letter or the IMDb search engine with not find it.) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088979/...
Now, in the film, “The Terminator”, it is explained that the T- 800’s skin was artificially grown and that it is just a wrapper or envelope encasing the robot/ android. The t-800 did not need the skin to continue to still exist and continue it’s mission unless it was going to time travel. That point is proven throughout the film as the artificial skin is slowly and totally destroyed by the end of the film and only the robot is left at the end of the film and it is still attacking Sarah Connor. The T-800 did not need the skin to exist. That is directly opposite of a cyborg since a cyborg needs both the mechanical and biological parts in order to exist. And it was stated that the t-800 brains were a machine or computer. But yet many people like to mistakenly call him a cyborg. He isn’t. But people still call him that - mainly because he is a popular character.
But when it comes to a lesser known film and character like D.A.R.Y.L. (Data Analysing Youth Lifeform), they do not consider him a cyborg eventhough only his brain is a micro-processor and his prersonality is the result of an elaborate Artifical Intelligence program too. The rest of his body is genetically and artificially grown in a laboratory. Daryl needs that body to move and receive information through the human eyes, ears, touch, smell and taste. He needs those human legs to move. He needs human hands and arms to operate. He does not have a metal skeleton like the T-800. Yet he is consider a robot or an Android. If you think I’m wrong look at the lists act one and Dan had suggested. He is not on ether one. Go ahead and pull up the keyword list for the film “D.A.R.Y.L.”. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088979/... At of the time of this posting, the word “Cyborg” is not on that list, but the words “robot”, “Boy Robot”, “artificial intelligence”, “artificially created boy”, and “robot as pathos” are all there. People recognize him as a robot but not as a cyborg that your definition of it would make hims as if the T-800 is. In fact, in the 2nd act of the film, the two main scientists debate weather or not Daryl had crossed the line from robot to human. And one of the scientists disputes that point by citing it is all apart of his learning artificial intelligence programming. All the ideas in the film where also covered in the “Star Trek: The Next Generation” episode The Measure of a Man https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708807/...
If D.A.R.Y.L. Is considered a robot because his brain is a computer and his personality is the result of A.I. programming, then T-800 is too. The popularity of the characters should not be a factor that one is a cyborg and the other isn’t because D.A.R.Y.L. has more living human tissue and is more dependent on that tissue in order to exist than the T-800 does.