Live Poll: The Horrible Side of Hollywood

@eagles90 

Thank you for telling me. :D I changed it to:

The Dark Side of Fame

@eagles90 

Again changed it to:

The Dark Side of the Dream Factory

(I wanted to stay Hollywood in the title, but found no better form)

Tv Tropes calls it Horrible Hollywood, maybe you can borrow the title.

FYC:

Nasty/sadistic directors

@albstein:

Thank you for suggesting. I've put your suggestion on the list.

The more I think of horrible, the better it sounds. :D

@Tsarstepan 

Sure, thank you. :)

Btw: It's wrong to show drug abuse aesthetically; like a commercial. But ok.

The polls for IMDb aren't rated PG-13 or higher. I'm not condoning drug use and disappointed if that was your take on my criticism. Just any other not-so-graphic depiction of drug use will be sufficient to convey the point (okay maybe nothing from the reboot of Judge Dred or other fantasy drugs like Limitless).

Many adults even have physiological reactions to overly graphic and squeamish imagery. And this poll is setting them up like a pretty gross trap ready to spring on unsuspecting eyes (of many ages and sensibilities).

I just wanted to emphasize that images about dangerous drug abuse like heroin or meth can't be drastically enough. That's why they print images of cancer on cigarette packs. And I adore Aronofsky for using drastically images for that kind of drug abuse. But I also understand that those images can be too much for someone. So I changed it. I guess it's ok now?

it is in the past, i hope, but perhaps hollywood black list?

https://www.amazon.com/Witch-Hunt-Hollywood-McCarthyisms-Tinseltown/dp/1906779090#:~:text=Witch%20Hunt%20in%20Hollywood%20is,Frank%20Sinatra%20to%20Al%20Jolson.

also in the past, charles manson, hollywood cults

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7131622/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

@mariojacobs:

Thank you for suggesting. I've put your suggestion on the list. Unfortunately I got no better image for it. Better images welcome. ;)

there could be also

hollywood crazy diets

hollywood plastic surgery addiction

https://br.pinterest.com/pin/819584832173022901/

>Better images welcome. ;)

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0543909/mediaviewer/rm1249878529/

???

In 1947, Dalton Trumbo was Hollywood's top screenwriter, until he and other artists were jailed and blacklisted for their political beliefs.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3203606/mediaviewer/rm2828012544/

hollywood witch hunt

Thank you, mariojacobs.

I've put your suggestion on the list. These are pretty good negative aspects of Hw. ;)

I remembered when snake plissken fought against a gang of millionaires addicted to plastic surgery in ESCAPE FROM LOS ANGELES

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116225/mediaviewer/rm3369288448/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116225/mediaviewer/rm2446094592/

Thank you for diggin' up that images. I think the image I used is better.

The main problem is, that the images are pretty small in polls. And the images you linked have one problem. When small, everybody just sees an ugly guy that looks dumb and in the second picture just the nurse. That's from the square format the images will converted to. Try it yourself. Take the two pictures on a blank list and you will get what I mean.

The image of Looker has more meaning, because there is a guy, holding the face of a beautiful women. That gesture is enough in context with the text. Especially then when many people remember on Looker, which was awful in many ways, but interesting in other ways.

Anyway thank you for suggesting real good points! :D

That was good help.

*bump*

*bump*

... and politics.

@ElMaruecan82 

Hi, ElMo. I've put your suggestion on the list. Thank you for contributing.

Just about politics - can you tell a little more, please. Which aspects?

I got a new PS and cinephile mentioned you. Do you want to look at it?

Here.

You're right, I was too vague.

Well, I'm not talking about a film making a political statement or a social comment, many masterpieces have done that, many directors are known for their political opinions.

I'm talking about the way every cinematic creation must pass now through a sort of sociopolitical scanner, even animated cartoons or blockbusters... I'm not even talking of PC because it seems that politically incorrect humor is accepted for as long as it serves the causes deemed right... the real problem is that Hollywood is getting more and more binary.

For me, the new Borat movie exemplifies what goes wrong with Hollywood today (and I loved the first one)

@ElMaruecan82 

That's interesting. I guess I suspect what you want me to say, but I don't know how I would pack it into a short and clear formulation for an option. Maybe you have an example - I really would like to use it on the list.

Oh, yeah. And an movie image that fits for the example.

Let me handle the image, it will illustrate my point better than my clumsy wording:)

I did love the new Borat movie. It was very unconventional and provoking with the right measure. He is a great guy who knows how the cookie crumbles. But I have to admit that I saw it dubbed. It's a privilege to live in the worlds championship dubbing country. Even though a few jokes might be lost in translation. But I can be pretty sure they did the best.

Well, I don't like to plug my reviews (except for the "watched/review" thread where it makes sense) but you can find it my reviews' page... many moments did make me laugh but the whole political bias ended up interfering with my enjoyment... on the paper, the arc of Borat's daughter was interesting but I'm not sure I liked the way she was exploited for gross-out jokes and then used as a sexy bait... that and many other aspects bothered me.

That was the picture that upset me the most:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13143964/mediaviewer/rm1866652417/

The fact that "All Lives Matter" was written on the 'bad American' T-shirt, I mean I've seen many African-Americans making that statement so I didn't think it was fair to assume that there's only negativity to connect with that belief and so it's fair to mock it that way.

 I appreciate your sorrow of young women should be treated with respect. But must say that she forced the humor in a special way that only people with self control can do. I liked how she pointed out what some polititians are ok with to do. I guess you won't be so irrational to think that was true. It was masterful done by Cohen and a very clever young actress. That was intended. They pointed out in the satire how America is. On the one hand, she talked with the ladys about masturbation and they all scorned her. Ok, but when a polititian is ok to meet such a young woman, there will always people who will defend the polititian. For them is their message. They should think about who they trust. I think it's a political movie, because it was relatively short before the US elections. That's how I understood it.

Well, ElMo. I understand your intention, but it was a single movie, not a bad trend in hollywood. So won't take it on the list.

Breu, it was just an example

every cinematic creation must pass now through a sort of sociopolitical scanner, even animated cartoons or blockbusters.

Do you really think that only applied to Borat?

Forget the picture, but you can't ignore politics as the most vicious trend infecting Hollywood right now.

It was discussed in 'Trumbo', which is already on the list.

Trumbo? I thought that option was referring to the HUAC?

Did you have other witch hunts in mind?

Breu, I have a feeling that you understood where I was coming from but you and I know it's a very difficult subject and the very fact that we can articulate our thoughts and call a spade a spade is part of the problem. I just wrote almost 30 lines to explain my point but then I deleted it all, I'd rather censor myself and keep my bias for myself.

I just wish Hollywood entertainers could do the same.

HUAC, yes. Hollywood was used for HUAC by the CIA. It's a movie about politic misuse of Hollywood. By censoring all, which had the smell of communism. I thought you would think that Hollywood is again used for a witch hunt. "sociopolitical scanner" is a very vaguely simily. It doesn't make really clear what is meant. Maybe you can better describe it. Or is it just the wrong direction of political influence that bothers you? What is wrong, what is right?

When you look at the options on the list, they are all very clear negatively conotated. The political witch hunt in 'Trumbo' is already an option which says that Hollywood is used for it - and oppressed in it's creativity. I think you had a clever point with the sequels, prequels, etc. I love them, but still think you are right with that point, to be neutral best I can. So I've put them on the list. And I would do so again, if I'm convinced.

I'm unable to phrase my thoughts correctly, I'm sorry. 

I just have the feeling that everything today must be related to the tryptic of gender - sexuality - diversity, and it is political. It shouldn't be, but it is.

Governments have failed to fix social inequalities, why? Because it's not easy to make the poor less poor... and meanwhile, the rich gets richer. The way I see it, governments needed a scapegoat, something to distract the people from the real issues. In other words, they had to convince people that if they have a problem, it's not because of the way economy works or because political rulers have their hands tied, no, it's because of racism, patriarchy etc.

It's easier to fix that problem by promoting affirmative action, quotas, taking symbolic measures than changing the whole system. And meanwhile, the real social inequalities or the environmental problems are ignored.

It's frustrating enough to see that people are used like pawns and being turned against each other, men, women, LGBT, white, Black, Chrisitians, Muslims etc. etc. but then the last thing you want to see is Hollywood encouraging or nourishing these divisions, but that's what happens. Hollywood has been politicized by issues that weren't political to beging with.

In less than a decade, we had Rosanna Arquette's speech about the gender pay gap, we had #OscarsSoWhite, we had the verbal arm-wrestling between Streep and Trump, (hell, we just had Trump), we had another #OscarsSoWhite followed by polemics about the lack of diversity, we had audiences called misogynistic because they didn't like "Ghostbusters 2", we had the #MeToo movement that wasn't without collateral damages, we had polemics about the lack of female directors, and just when we think things are going better, we have the new 'cancel culture' and JK Rowling being insulted all over the web after all she's done for the world of entertainment. 

I'm tired of polemics, of complaints, of vs. .... now maybe the things I've listed can be considered positive and I respect that. But I think I gave you the most possibly transparent answer.

Cheers

Thank you for telling so openly about your thoughts.

Cheers

@Peter_pbn 

Corrected. It reads better, yes.

@rubyfruit76 

Thank you, ruby. I will change it, but I got no time now in my scedule plan. I will correct it in about 9-10 hours, because I have a full plan today. Celebrity press worldwide isn't a paper. I meant the press that writes about celebrities. I will change that then. Gotta go now. Sorry for that.

@rubyfruit76 

To be fast, I changed in the list to: "the press in the world" and changed option #1 to chronic.

Eventual further steps later, later.

@rubyfruit76 

Done. Thank you for pointing out the glitch in the matrix.

Image #1: I thought it's the most perfect for it, because we are softly sliding into another economic crisis and I remembered 'Grapes of Wrath'. I think it had the most iconic unemployed. Everyone who saw this movie will remember it. The worst to pick was a picture that shows drug abuse as negative without hurting to much. And the second worst was to find a fitting booze image.

@Peter_pbn 

Thank you, Peter. Thank you fellows. :)