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Poll Suggestion: Who Will Be Elected U.S. President in 2024?

Democrat vs. Republican

Joe Biden vs. Donald Trump

Round 2 ... Fight!

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls568757585/ 

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1 year ago

O, most likely quid pro Joe will be re-elected, despite all the things that his administration had done that not even a lot of the folks who usually vote for candidates running on the Democratic Party ticket may appreciate. Allan Lichtman has been able to correctly forecast the outcome of every United States presidential election for the past two decades, by basically applying the theory of sorts that the public perception of how much more "favorably" one of the two major political parties performs than the other of the two. Seemingly there is something of an open secret in the fact that folks who are disappointed with candidates running on ticket of the party they least despise simply won't cast a ballot at all or will opt to vote for a third party candidate (or write in the name of a particular duo) on principle, thus handing over victory to the candidate they might possibly least prefer, not even contributing to the possibility of an electoral tie. Now, accounting for an essentially improbable tie, for 2024, seemingly the outcome would be that the presidential candidate allowed to run on the Republican Party ticket would be awarded the presidency while Kamala Harris would retain her occupation as Vice President of the United States (equivalent with President of the Senate of the United States), if the legislators responsible for carrying out these functions are ready, willing and able to do their jobs in accordance to very particular rules.

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1 year ago

Trump 😎

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1 year ago

Basically the answer to the question is "yes", as there will no doubt exist a President of the United States associated with the uniparty. Haha.

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1 year ago

Just spit-balling some random thoughts, your question is flawed, because even if Trump wins, he won't become President again until 20 January 2025. Unless something unforeseen happens, Biden is obligated to be the U.S. President until noon on 20 January 2025.

Who Will Be President of U.S. in 2024?

A better phrasing might be:

Who Will Be Elected U.S. President in 2024? or

Who Wins a Likely Re-match for U.S. President in 2024?

Plus, there likely will be a dozen viable candidates running, plus close to a hundred that will be listed on a presidential primary ballot in one of the U.S. States or Territories. As as today, a year and half before the general election, there are more fourteen declared candidates. So, it a big assumption those two are the two top finishers. Nonetheless, I think it is interesting question and I would like to see how the IMDb results stack up against the thousands of other polls with the same two 2024 candidates, that likely can do a far better job of answering that same question. 

I think it is going to be tough to get a political poll published, even if you do everything right, someone always is offended, so they are avoided, IMHO.

Maybe, if you made it less about politics and more about entertainment, it might have a better shot. How about asking who would been the better actor? or Which candidate is the funniest? or Who is the better showman? or another variation. 

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Ah, yes, great catch, urbanemovies​! That's actually a very important fact to point out, concerning the date upon which one person vacates the office and another person is inaugurated: the twentieth day of January, in the year after election year. So, there is nothing random about that particular part of your thoughts.

As for your other thoughts, everybody pretty much knows for a fact that the winner will be a Democrat or a Republican, regardless of how many candidates appear on a ballot in any given State in the United States (or in the District of Columbia). The only actual assumptions are as follows: (1) that Joe Biden will live long enough to win re-election, likewise that he won't withdraw from the race; (2) that Donald Trump will indeed be nominated by the Republican Party and also live long enough to win re-election, likewise that he won't withdraw from the race; (3) that there won't be a dissolution of either one of the two major political parties or something even more extraordinary (like the abolition of the office of the president of the United States altogether). Of course, there is the possibility that Donald Trump will run as a third party candidate, thus meaning a three-way race, but all too similar to the 1992 United States presidential election, meaning victory for quid pro Joe. As we know, if no candidate receives a majority of the electoral votes in his favor, then the House of Representatives of the United States are to arrive at a decision, by choosing among the top three candidates and producing one vote per State, which might take a long time for the legislators to actually pull off. What happens if they take too long, though? Well, Kamala Harris might very well become the acting president of the United States upon the expiration of quid pro Joe's term of office until either the process is completed or the end of the term of office intended for the winner of the election. The situation might kind of be seen as a constitutional crisis, since logic would have to be applied in determining that a contingency rule exists and that the rule is not superseded by any other rule.

I'd be curious to know what kind of a person would be offended by a hypothetical poll addressing such a question. There isn't really anything offensive about the question apart from the possibility that politics itself or civil service for that matter is inherently offensive. The question isn't asking who ought to win, but who do people believe will win. I do suppose that people could take offense at the very sight of the candidates' faces, though. Maybe a problem could arise in the context of the believability of votes cast on the matter, thus people taking offense to perceived inaccuracy.

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@jeorj_euler​ 🤔, 

I agree there are lot of moving parts and variables to consider. Even though it is now clear who the nominees will be.

I am not sure either will make it the last few months to the actual election and either step down or be removed for more a more viable and electable option or some other reason. I would have thought this could be the year for a third party candidate,  but the polls and odds makers say no.

Plus, there are 1250 other people registered and filed the paperwork to run for the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election (I would guess 25 or less will be on the actual ballot).

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@urbanemovies​ Done.

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The odds are slim that this prediction will be anything but wrong. But since you're creating this ONE YEAR before the US primary/caucus season? I'm going to predict that this suggestion isn't going to age very well.

And if either Biden or Trump (they're both super old and one has many legal Sword (s) of Damocles hanging over His tangerine colored asbestos covered head!) aren't capable to be in the upcoming election? This suggestion will have aged poorly.

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@Tsarstepan

I couldn't agree more. There are so many ways this matchup never happens, it almost seems unimaginable. Plus, I can't recall a Presidential primary & caucus season with this many X factors affecting the eventual outcome. Yet, it seems like everyone seems to accept the match-up as a foregone conclusion.

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Most likely there won't be a primary election on the Democratic Party side, since the incumbent president is seeking re-election on that ticket after already having won the nomination on that ticket the last time. Whereas there is a high likelihood that there will be a primary election on the Republican Party side, even though the former president is like an incumbent in the hearts and minds of many people who worked really hard to keep him in office. To be fair, I'm not sure how how incumbent presidents are ordinarily nominated, except that there hasn't been for the past several decades any significant media coverage of the process. For all I know, nobody sharing the same party as an incumbent ever wants to contend against the incumbent's re-election bid, even if allowed, or maybe the incumbent always swiftly wins the primary election, before things like debates can be scheduled.

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@jeorj_euler

Biden already has competition for the nomination, but I agree as it stands now, it won't amount to much.

There is a lot of time between now and the conventions, but the window to get your name on the state ballots gets shorter with every passing day.

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@urbanemovies​ 

Generally, in the end the most popular candidates are chosen and from all those proposed, Biden and Trump are the most recognized candidates.
However, in politics you never know.

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Allan Lichtman seems to believe that the chances of the candidate on the Democratic Party ticket being elected president of the United States will be much higher if Joe Biden is again the nominee for such a party, that otherwise the candidate on the Republican Party ticket would probably win.

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@GabrielFox​ I agree name recognition is a big deal, but Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were both considered long shots early on. Like you said, in politics you never know.

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@Tsarstepan​ Trump may be able to run, but there is a high probability that Trump will lose. 

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3 days ago

Please ellect Kennedy. I'd like to see another Kennedy in the w.h. - 60 years after. If it's a republican, then Clint Eastwood, please. ;)