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Saturday, March 19th, 2022

Live Poll: Karma - Heaven or Hell?

Intro:

There is an Indian religious concept called "The principle of karma", many of you might have heard of before. It says that the intentions and actions of an individual influence the future of that individual. It's not a matter of human revenge, karma takes care of it. It's a kind of higher - some would say - divine justice.

Which of these movies that contain strong moments of karma is your favorite? (To be fair, there are spoiler bars on all options.)

Tell us here.

Suggestions:

Movies best rated 7/10 or higher, no simple crime only stories, horror movies, documentations or sport movies. No TV-series. It best should be a drama. Animated allowed, if they match the former mentioned criteria. Please don't bore me with simple human-to-human revenge movies.

List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls538447626/

Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/K8ULRGtyF8I/

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4 years ago

Wer andern eine Grube gräbt, fällt selbst hinein.

City of God 2002: in the end, Ze Pequeno is executed by a dozen of children. 

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4 years ago

Conan 1982- Thulsa Doom is beheaded by the same sword with which he himself beheaded Conan's mother 20 years before.

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@mariojacobs​ 

Thank you for the suggestions. I forgot how Thulsa Doom was beheaded. Was he beheaded by Conan or his fellows? Then it's just human revenge and has nothing to do with divine Karma. That he was beheaded by the sword he beheaded Conan's mum is ironic, maybe zynical?

In the other case, Ze Pequeno was executed by a children gang like the one he founded, but it wasn't a revenge-situation. So it's more like divine justice, karma. I'll put 'City of God' on the list.

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"Live by the sworddie by the sword

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@mariojacobs​ 

Biblical, but doesn't answere my question. I don't look for simple revenge-situations. If I did, there were a hundret thousends of simple revenge movies. Or revenge situations in movies. It shouldn't be simple like that.

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@mariojacobs​ 

Mario, after another guess, I'm willing to pick your suggestions, even though I was thinking more about higher powers. I think that Karma is nothing that humans can start. It's a higher solution from devine sources. But the suggestions are so less that I'm willing to bend a little.

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In Dredd, the titular character visits upon the head criminal a similar punishment as that villain had done to so many of her underlings, but I lean toward doubting the event constituting Karma, since it is so deliberate rather than by chance.

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@jeorj_euler​ 

Yes, but that's more like human revenge, old testament. I wanted to avoid that, because of not getting too much pure revenge movies. I'll turn a blind eye, because of I also did on mario's suggestion. But if there come much more of these pure revenge suggestions, I'll wipe them all off.

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3 years ago

Typo option 2: life, not live

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@Peter_pbn​ 

Corrected.

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3 years ago

In "The Bad Seed", (spoilers ahead)....

... the girl dies, struck by a bolt of lightning while she was trying to retrieve some incriminating evidence, if that's not karma I don't know what it is. it's also a rather weak conclusion for a film that started well.

I guess the bolt of lightning can also apply to the Queen in "Snow White" 

Sometimes I wonder if Karma isn't just wishful thinking, we are so powerless facing the evil that we wish some higher instances would take care of it... but how many people commit atrocious crimes and get away with it? As for the fact that some get their comeuppance at some point of their lives, I only see it as the likeliness to commit a fatal mistake after having pushed your luck for too long.

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@ElMaruecan82​ 

Hi ElMo. Thank you for your suggestion. As I typed in "The Bad Seed", 4 titles appeared. I guessed without having watched it, that you though of the 1956 movie. Please correct me, if you had another picture in mind. 

When you say the Queen in Snow White, I guess you mean the old Disney movie. I'll put that as an option to the list. Please correct me, if I've picked the wrong Snow White movie.

I'm convinced that there is a natural compensation for each evil or good deeds. Maybe we don't see it, because these powers works much slower than we expect. Some call it mother nature, others call it god, ..., ... I'm not sure how to name it, but I think Karma is a very good word for it, because it is so inscrutable.

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@ElMaruecan82​ 

Just a question about 'The Bad Seed'. Why is it fair to be struck by lightning for retrieving incriminating evidences? Are these evidences part of a foul game she made up?

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@Breumaster​ Yes, exactly, she had drowned a schoolmate because he won a medal of penmanship and I think she wanted to find something that belonged to her... anyway, my memory is fuzzy.

Yes, I meant the Disney movie :)

Another Karmic demise, Carl, the bad guy in "Ghost" 

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@ElMaruecan82​ 

I corrected the spoiler on the "The Bad Seed"-option. Would you please check if I'm right with my text? Thank you, ElMo.

Carl is an excellent pick. I'll put him on the list. Thank you. :D

I guess you meant the picture with Whoopi Goldberg as a medium. Great pick!

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@Breumaster​ 

Thanks Breu, that's how Wikipedia describes it:

Rhoda sneaks out during a rainstorm, determined to retrieve the medal from the bay. She uses a metal pole to probe the water. Suddenly a bolt of lightning strikes her, sending her into the water and to her death.

Yeah, Carl was good call, I agree :)

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@ElMaruecan82​ 

Thank you for the exact circumstances. I merged it into the option's text.

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3 years ago

FYC:

Jurassic Park - After shuting down the park security to steal the embryos, and thus allowing the dinosaurs to escape, he fails in his attemtp to flee the island and is eaten by a dilophosaurus.

Andhadhum - After commiting a series of crimes that start with the muder of her husband, Simi is distracted while driving by a hare hitting her windshield and after losing control she crashes and dies.

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3 years ago

Also FYC:

Bacheha-Ye aseman - Ali spends the movie trying to get some tennis shoes so his sister can go to school. Despite his efforts failing, he is unaware that his father (who never learns about the fight his son is doing) is able to earn enough money to buy both him and his sister some new shoes.

Ascenseur pour l'échafaud - After killing his lover's husband a series of unfortunate events unfold making sure both Julien Tavernier and Florence Carala get discovered, captured and pay for their crime.

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@Pencho15​ 

Thank you, Pencho.

I added Jurassic Park, Andhadhun and Ascenseur pour l'échsfaud.

I didn't add Bacheha-Ye aseman, because that's pure human action.

Thank you for suggesting. Good picks.

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@Pencho15​ 

Hi Pencho. I reconsidered your idea about Bacheha-Ye aseman. Since I've taken George Bailey on the list and also Thulsa Doom, I will also take this movie. Then I got 17 options. That's enough for going live. But maybe you have some more. Then you can tell me. Thank you, Pencho. :D

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3 years ago

Please correct

#1: So he faces karma for his life

#6: they worked separately  

#7: George Bailey always acted with the best intentions.

#9: founded by himself.

#14: After shutting down  ...  Dennis Nedry fails in his attempt

(maybe best to mention who "he" is)

#15: After committing a series of crimes that start with the murder of her husband,

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@Jessica​ 

Thank you, Jessica. Corrected.

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3 years ago

For inspiration, there's also the name poetic justice.

In Triangle of Sadness, one example could be the old couple who own a weapons factory, and ... 

(spoiler)

... they are killed by an attack with a one of their own grenades.

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@Peter_pbn​ 

Thank you, Peter. It's on the list now.

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@Peter_pbn​ 

Thank you, Peter. Thank you, Buddies. :D