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Monday, December 17th, 2018 4:35 PM

Live Poll: Noble Oscar-Nominated Performance?

Favorite Noble Oscar-Nominated Performance? Which of these Oscar-nominated performance depicting a noble* rank or noble-born movie character, excluding the immediate royal family is your favorite? * Duke, Duchess, Marquess, Marchioness, Earl, Count, Countess, Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, Lord, Lady or other noble-born characters (real-life or fictional) Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/V17dccMerj4/ See the partial IMAGE list of Oscar-nominated noble character performances here: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls040419058/

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Royal (Ruling) or Noble Oscar-Nominated Performance Honorable Mentions Royalty Characters Jack Oakie, The Great Dictator Benzini Napaloni: Dictator of Bacteria Charles Laughton The Private Life of Henry VIII. Henry VIII: King of England John Barrymore Marie Antoinette Louis XVI: King of France Charles Boyer Conquest Napoleon Bonaparte: Emperor of France Peter Ustinov Quo Vadis Nero: Emperor of Rome Basil Rathbone If I Were King Louis XI: King of France Bette Davis, Brian Aherne Juarez Maximilian von Habsburg: Emperor of MexicoNobility Characters Lewis Stone The Patriot Count Peter Alekseyevich Pahleni Frank Morgan The Affairs of Cellini Alessandro de' Medici, Duke of Florence

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Rex Harrison, Cleopatra Gaius Julius Caesar, Dictator of the Roman Republic Gale Sondergaard, Anna and the King of Siam Lady Thiang, Princess Consort Maria Ouspenskaya Dodsworth Baroness von Obersdorf Emil Jannings The Last Command Grand Duke Sergius Alexander/General Dolgorucki Norma Shearer Romeo and Juliet Juliet - Daughter to Lady Capulet Basil Rathbone, Romeo and Juliet Tybalt - Nephew to Lady Capulet

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My vote from the list of Royals: Lucius Aurelius Commodus My vote from the list of Nobles: Winston Churchill

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Hello Movie Fans, While looking forward to the 91st Oscar Nominations, my vote is for Norma Shearer as Marie Antoinette in the title role. (1939)

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Nothing like an oldie, but a goodie!!

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Typos:The 2019 award season may very well be the year of the royal or noble...Which of these Oscar-nominated performances depicting...

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The 2019 award season may very well be the year of the the royal or noble...Which of these Oscar-nominated performance depicting...I corrected listed duplicate "the" word and singular "performance" useon both poll suggestions.

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I would take issue with including Chaplin's Hitler parody as a "royal".Same goes for Idi Amin, though I have a feeling we have discussed this before somewhere.

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Royal lines have to start somewhere, usually by force and usually by a conquering army that invades another country or overthrows an existing regime from within. I view Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Marcus Aurelius, and others as being royal. All of these emperors or dictators established or greatly expanded their empires. In the modern world, rulers don't proclaim themselves king anymore. North Korea's Kim dynasty and Napoleon's Second French Empire are great examples. New Empires are by their nature less stable and on the whole more prone to collapsing in a single or a few generations. I see little difference in the actions any of these characters, other than being in the formative stages rather being part of an established stage of an empire. I would agree Dictators and Emperors tend to be more self-made, early house leaders, while kings and princes tend to inherit their titles with more maintaining their house's regime or seeing it though ebbs and flows. Idi Amini's full, formal title, which he conferred upon himself is "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular." I think Idi if asked considered himself nouveau royalty and his regal sounding for life title seems to support that.I can understand your reservations with those two being the least regal, but I think you would agree they are at the very least dictators. I think the royal definition is a slippery slope, as a more restrictive definition could exclude for instance Roman rulers and other societies that use merit based ascension rules like the Dothraki. I chose broader and more inclusive parameters for the poll to avoid this issue. I feel comfortable with the scope including Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses, Emperors, Emperoresses, Dictators and Dictatresses, all being roughly on the same level. As always, I include options that are reasonably fit the scope. As always poll takers, who agree can show their support and those who disagree can simply ignore them as viable and cast their vote for another option that fits their definition. It would seem to me the same logic that would allows some Oscar-nominated Emperor(s) or Dictatator(s) to pass without issue should allow these other Oscar-nominated Emperor(s) or Dictatator(s) to pass muster.Charles Boyer Conquest Napoleon Bonaparte: Emperor of FranceRex Harrison, Cleopatra Gaius Julius Caesar, Dictator of the Roman RepublicBrian Aherne Juarez Maximilian von Habsburg: Emperor of MexicoJoaquin Phoenix Gladiator Lucius Aurelius Commodus: Roman emperorCharles Chaplin The Great Dictator Hynkel: Dictator of Tomania Forest Whitaker The Last King of Scotland Idi Amin, President for Life of Uganda (Dictator)

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urbanemoviesAs usual, you tell unusual stories when touching history.You know, history is not a story to rewrite each month or year according to political situations as it was widely used in Soviet Union."Dictator" has no semantic equality to "Royal". If a person inherited the royal power to rule other people, it can not automatically mean he/she is, or is going to be a dictator. People always try to wipe dictators out; and the handling same as yours often resulted in killing some persons who was just royal and not dictators.A great example how wrong you are is Victor Emmanuel III versus Benito Mussolini. When placing the fictional character of Benzini Napaloni (prototyped from Mussolini) in the row of royal persons, do you try to convince others that Victor Emmanuel III and his son Umberto II were born dictators?Just think, please, if your going to write a very long answer again.

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I am not saying "Dictator" is the semantic equal to "Royal". I am saying for the purposes of this question I am defining the scope to include * King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, Emperoress, Dictator and Dictatress (real-life or fictional). The reason for doing so is to not exclude viable answers and cherry pick answers. Any measures that includes Emperors and Dictators, excludes Emperors and Dictators or use particular rules of ascension is going to result in an imperfect answer pool in some poll takers eyes. I tried to fully explain this above.Fictional character of Benzini Napaloni and others are in the pool of answers because they fall within the defined scope for the purpose of the question.* King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, Emperoress, Dictator and Dictatress (real-life or fictional). As do these other Oscar-nominated emperors and dictators: Charles Boyer Conquest Napoleon Bonaparte: Emperor of FranceRex Harrison, Cleopatra Gaius Julius Caesar, Dictator of the Roman RepublicBrian Aherne Juarez Maximilian von Habsburg: Emperor of MexicoJoaquin Phoenix Gladiator Lucius Aurelius Commodus: Roman emperorCharles Chaplin The Great Dictator Hynkel: Dictator of Tomania Forest Whitaker The Last King of Scotland Idi Amin, President for Life of Uganda (Dictator)I would recommend trying to see all sides of this issue and not ignore the facts on the other side. I also didn't see you dispute the most of the movie examples I gave in support, as well as real life examples given in support.Those that take issue with a specific option are free not to vote for it, but shouldn't force others who have a broader perspective the opportunity not to vote for their choice. I have included all options that could fit the broadest definition of "royal". I would recommend trying to see all the issues at play here and look beyond your own viewpoint. Are you saying no Emperors or Dictators could be possibly considered royal, in the past or future or are you taking issue with a single example?Charles Chaplin The Great Dictator Hynkel: Dictator of Tomania and Forest Whitaker The Last King of Scotland Idi Amin, President for Life of Uganda (Dictator) are included in the pool of answers because they are dictators. Dictators are included for the purpose of the question in the scope of the poll. Some dictators are more perfect examples than others, but poll takers are left to decide which ones fit their personal requirements or definitions. I agree these two are the weakest options in most people eyes, but I can also can see how an argument can be made for their inclusion (or exclusion).

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Oops, you did it again. The extra-long text with nothing new inside. Wouldn't it be more fruitful to also analyse the others' opinions?You are mixing three different things into one: royal, dictator, emperor. If the simpliest links provided are not enough for understanding, please try M.Webster and other special sources.There would be no objections, if you, e.g., prepare the poll one of the following variants: Call it "Favorite Dictator Performance" and include there all known dictators, who can be a member of royal family (Tsar, Duke, Prince(-ss), King, Queen...) or not be such one (Prime-Minister, President, Caesar...);or Call it "Favorite Emperor Performance" and include there all known emperors, who can be both royal or not royal family - it depends on the fact they rule more than one nation and country;or Leave the same name for your poll but exclude the terms "dictator" and "emperor", as well as relative fictional characters.

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I don't think you fully understand the complexity of the issue. What you suggest is just trading is just one set issues for another set of issues. Even by using the same peerage term doesn't guarantee consistency, as it can mean different things in different countries, periods and circumstances. Plus, authoritative sources support the terms are synonyms for each other, rather than your contention that they are not."You are mixing three different things into one: royal, dictator, emperor." This also would apply to their female versions of the male term. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/emperorSynonyms for emperor noun rulerczardictatorempresskingmonarchsultanprincesovereignI gave all of this prior thought and factoring in everything; I thought the best course of action is to use a broad definition and allow individual poll takers to decide for themselves. Your solution is really no solution at all.

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No doubt "This also would apply to their female versions of the male term" - this is not the problem if you understand the main idea of the objections."Authoritative sources support the terms are synonyms for each other" - name them and links, please."I don't think you fully understand the complexity of the issue" - this statement of yours is really out of my understanding because I see no issue in the topic relative to your poll, but only the issue in the way you present it. The only tolerant variant you used above is the word "ruler", so thank yourself to have the 4th variant to name your poll - just using "ruler" instead of "royal".PS: the synonyms you quote above may be close in some context, but you should check their definitions to understand the difference that in this current case may mislead other people.

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"the synonyms you quote above may be close in some context," Please, check the definition of synonym. 1 : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses It is not a stretch to assume similarly titled characters are basically the same. Synonyms are by their very nature slight variations, it would be pointless to have twenty words that all mean exactly the same thing. As for misleading people, I specifically define my terms within the question for the purpose of the question. However, I can't help if people mislead themselves with connotations that go beyond the meaning of the word or invoke their own ethnocentric biases.

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post award season introduction and question updatesThe most recent award season secured Olivia Colman Best Actress awards at the Oscars, the Golden Globes and BAFTA film award ceremonies. The year also included Oscar-nominated performances by Emma Stone and Rachel Weisz in The Favourite (2018) and the BAFTA-nominated and SAG-nominated performance by Margot Robbie in Mary Queen of Scots (2018) among others.Favorite Oscar-Nominated Sovereign PerformanceWhich of these select all-time Oscar-nominated performances depicting a movie character of a countries' immediate ruling* family is your favorite? * King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, Emperoress, Dictator and Dictatress or other equivalent (real-life or fictional).Favorite Oscar-Nominated Noble Performance?Which of these all-time Oscar-nominated performances depicting a noble* rank or born-to-nobility movie character, excluding the immediate royal family is your favorite? * Duke, Duchess, Marquess, Marchioness, Earl, Count, Countess, Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, Lord, Lady or other noble-born characters (real-life or fictional)

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Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/V17dccMerj4/?ref_=po_ho Hooray, hurrah!

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Thanks

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POLL ADMN PLEASE CORRECT The Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/V17dccMerj4/ was erroneously placed under Favorite Royal Oscar-Nominated Performance? instead of correctly under Favorite Noble Oscar-Nominated Performance? The poll suggestion regarrding Oscar-nominated royal character performances has yet to go live.

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Corrected.

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Thanks, it is much appreciated.

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Congratulations urbanemovies on your 315th live poll! As of 15-May-2019 9:32 PM Pacific your polls have 453,986 or more votes, for an average of 1,441 votes per poll.Favorite Oscar-Nominated Noble Performance?7722nd Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/V17dccMerj4/This is the 2,498th Image poll. Such polls have a total of 4,316,172 votes for an average of 1,728 votes per poll.Total Number of Votes 17,295,705 Projected Date of 20 Million Votes 19-Nov-2020 Days Until 20 Million Votes 554 This is the list of urbanemovies' polls as of 2-May-2019:Sorted Alphabetically http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2014/05/imdb-polls-alphabetical-by-author.html#urbanemoviesIn Decreasing Order of Votes http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2015/03/imdb-polls-descending-order-of-votes-by.html#urbanemoviesAlphabetical List of Polls http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2014/03/imdb-polls-alphabetical.htmlTop IMDb Polls http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2015/07/top-imdb-polls.htmlIMDb Polls - Descending Order of Votes http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2013/12/imdb-polls-descending-order-of-votes.htmlSummary Statistics http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2016/05/summary-statistics.htmlKey Threads - IMDb Poll FAQs Index https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/faq-key-threads-imdb-poll-faqs-indexHow to Improve the Chance of Having your Poll on the Home Page https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/faq-how-to-improve-the-chance-of-having-your-poll-on-the-hom...

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Typo: * King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, Empress ...Are you sure all the options in the list are still valid, since you changed "royal" to "sovereign"?

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Thanks, I changed it back to Royal and corrected Empress. I was trying to placate someone's perceived issue, but it created a new problem, as you point out. I defined the scope to the ruling family, meaning the sovereign and the immediate family. I think I have clearly stated what title and the question's scope covers also. It should be good to go now.

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Thanks, but the correction to Empress wasn't made.

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Thanks, I fixed Empress again, this time I hit save.

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I completed ALL the changes, including a title update. This poll suggestion is good to go now.

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Typo: "a country's immediate ruling family" I still don't see why you would include dictators who are not royals and who are not members of ruling families and exclude actual royal characters like Laughton's Henry.

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country's correctedKing, Emperor, Dictator Sultan, Tsar, Khal, Pharaohs, Shah, Imperator,Autokrator Kaiser, Etc.IMHO, they all are just labels and although I can see slight differences, they all amount to the same thing. Plus, all royal lines have to start somewhere. I am just not pretending there is a distinction when there isn't one, by what some one chooses to call themselves or the methods of they gain power. I am also avoiding each claim of royalty, by accepting them all or the widest definition, as opposed to having to decide who is more royal than the other or who is a true royal in the first place. Regardless, it seems like a lot of so-called "royal rulers" came to power in some other way than inheritance 1) with the consent of the Praetorian Guard. 2) by vote of great council of Westerosi nobles 3) being appointed by political factions 4) military coup 5) conqueror 6) King by combat 7) election by people,. Etc.I don;t see how any of these can be more royal than the others, based on the circumstances and the label on their position, It seems like if exclude one, then you might start cutting deeper, as some the same reasoning would be applicable to others. Napoleon Bonaparte: Emperor of France Gaius Julius Caesar, Dictator of the Roman Republic Maximilian von Habsburg: Emperor of Mexico Nero: Emperor of Rome Idi Amin, President for Life of Uganda (Dictator)Synonyms for emperor noun rulerczardictatorempresskingmonarchsultanprincesovereign

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You just keep playing the substitution of notions. By means of wrong placing the synonyms also.PRODUCER and ADMINISTRATOR are close synonyms to DIRECTOR...but you don't use them when contributing a directing crew to IMDb, do you?

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The etymology (it is used to be called so, and not "ethnocentric biases") explains well the difference between two things that are mixed artificially into one in your poll:The dictator as a magistrate of the Roman Republic (this is where this term initially started);The dictator as a political leader who possesses absolute power (this is how mostly understood in modern world) as the closest synonym to "tyrant", in your poll: Hynkel (Dictator of Tomania), Benzini Napaloni (Dictator of Bacteria), Idi Amin.

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The issue here isn't limited to synonyms, even when you use the same term like emperor or empress, you get varying results of royal-ness and different methods of power ascension: Catherine the Great , Empress of Russia from 1762 until 1796 came to power following a coup d'état which she organizedNero, Emperor of Rome from (54 AD–68 AD) came to power with the consent of the Praetorian Guard.Napoleon III, Emperor of the French from 1852 until 1870 came to power elected by the French peopleMaximilian von Habsburg, Emperor of Mexico from 1864 to 1867 invited Maximilian to establish a new pro-French Mexican monarchy wiith the support of the French army and a group of Conservative Party monarchists.This issue is far more complicated than at first glance, and in my opinion, the best way to deal with it is by treating them all the same.

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You may "treat" them as you wish, and I believe that nobody here is going to close the door for "treating" to the voters. But it is disgusting if intentional, and ridiculous for an educated one to say that Hynkel, or Napaloni, or Idi Amin belong to a royal family (no matter fictional or not). This is the ONLY PROBLEM. An ethic and moral problem.The three variants were proposed and one you proposed by your own how to keep the clean idea in good mood.

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That is sort of the point, no one 100% agrees, in fact it is quite common. They are all going to have both supporters and detractors of their claim to the throne. The fact whether you support one claim and not the other is irrelevant. What is relevant, is the fact that they are in power or vying for control of a country or kingdom, they are making a claim of divine right and they have some measure of support, no matter how small. You can probably find just as many people who say these four below are royalty, as you can find ones, who say they are not. Some one like Idi Amin can take power and declare themselves African royalty and bestow themselves titles, "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular." and a Dictator by someJust like, Daenerys Targaryen can by calling herself: Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Lady of Dragonstone, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons, The Unburnt, formerly Queen of Meereen and the Queen of Ashes by some.and those claims have some degree of credibility, no less than James Francis Edward Stuart, can make to being called the rightful heir to the crown and by the Grace of God, King of Scotland, England, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, etc and nicknamed "The Old Pretender" by some.or another ruler, Genghis Khan born Temüjin who was first in his line and made himself King by founding what what would become the largest contiguous empire in history after his death and would be called the first Great Khan of the Mongol Empire, the first Khagan of the Mongol Empire, Supreme Khan of all the Mongols and King of Kings. Just because, you don't see it that way doesn't mean others don't. The solution is simple don't vote for those three, but don't deny others the right to vote for them, if their opinion differs from yours. I don't think you can deny that are some reasonable arguments to be made for their inclusion, whether or not you agree. Just like, I can't deny that you make some fair points, too. (Even though you don't use any facts, just cite your opinions and claim others are ridiculous for offering a dissenting viewpoint.)I am unclear what the ethical and morality problem is, when there have been monarchs that have been far crueler than Idi Amin ever was, not that he was a saint himself. I am not defending him, just calling it like it is. All, I am just trying to establish a level playing field for all, despite the "labels" people like to attach. Whitewashing the supposedly good king conquerors from the supposedly bad king conquerors is no justice at all. It also seems interesting that you don't seem to have a problem with any of the Roman dictators listed being claimed, only the more modern ones. So, maybe, historical perspective is coming into play here.

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urbanemovies, you must be kidding... or just sneaking to masque the truth.History knows a lot of real examples when some persons claimed themselves to be kings, but that did not mean they became a part of the royal family. Sitting on a hand-made throne does not automatically mean you are a member of the royal family. To be a king does not automatically mean you are a tyrant / dictator. These are not an opinion or a point as you trying to show instead, these are historical facts.When in this poll the term "royal family" points to the fictional satirical dictators as its integral part, then it's not just a bad taste of your personal list but an IMDb showcase on this question in the form that may be not only entertaining for some voters but also abusive for current royal families:Belgian Royal FamilyBritish Royal FamilyCanadian Royal FamilyDanish Royal FamilyDutch Royal FamilyLiechtenstein Princely FamilyLuxembourg Grand Ducal FamilyNorwegian Royal FamilySpanish Royal FamilySwedish Royal FamilyThai Royal Familyand others, and for common people who live in the countries where monarchy is an enjoyable tradition.(BTW, I am from a country where people hate monarchy, and we have strong opposite traditions)

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I think you are fooling yourself, if you think all those royal family lines in countries "where monarchy are an enjoyable tradition" weren't founded by conquerors or dictators or their past equivalents. Nobody handed them the keys to the country, like they were buying a new car. They got and kept their power by spilling a lot of blood over the years. I am sure a lot of member's hands are clean today, but you ignore how their families got there in the first place. Their founders and other royal member along the way are no different and no cleaner than the dictators you think they are better than. Monarchies don't do that anymore, simply because they can't get away with it, their sole power resides in tradition and being beloved. I think you might be romanticizing them by whitewashing their past and ignoring the facts of the case. Royalty has also evolved.The type of royal families and their monarchies you refer to aren't being founded or created anymore. More likely, they are being phased out or their power is being taken from them. That has been in the cards for over a hundred years or more, as evidence by their decline. The nouveau royalty of today, mostly created in the past century has come in the form of dictators establishing personalist rule (today's equivalent of a monarchy). Granted, some have been limited to a single generation, but so have some royal lines.These family dictatorships differ little from the framework of a monarchy except for some minor details. Kim Jong-un, The Great Successor and The Brilliant Comrade is the third generation member of North Korea's dictatorial royal family is a perfect example. Other single and multi-generation family dictatorships include, but are not limited to the following examples (according to Wikipedia).EuropeRoman Republic: Gaius Julius Caesar (49–44 BCE) succeeded by his grand-nephew and adopted son Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (44–27 BCE).Roman Empire: The early dynasties of the Roman Empire operated similarly to a family dictatorship. Augustus (27 BCE–14 CE) kept up the facade of a republic during his reign but designated his own successor, Tiberius, by adopting Tiberius and convincing the Senate to transfer his powers to Tiberius (14 CE–37 CE) upon his death. For three hundred years, subsequent emperors customarily designated their successor by adoption. From the reign of Diocletian (284–305) onwards, emperors ruled in an openly monarchic style.Dutch Republic: Stadtholders were chosen exclusively from the House of Orange-Nassau. In all, nine princes of this dynasty ruled the Republic from 1559 to 1795. Stadtholders were described as dictators by William Aglionby in his 1669 book, The Present State of the United Provinces of the Low-Countries.Commonwealth of England: Oliver Cromwell (1653–1658) succeeded as Lord Protector of the Commonwealth by his son Richard Cromwell (1658–1659). Richard Cromwell was overthrown by the army in Spring, 1659, leading to the restoration of King Charles II the next year.Albania: Enver Hoxha (First Secretary of the Party of Labour, 1944–1985; Prime Minister, 1944–1954); succeeded by his wife Nexhmije Hoxha (1986–1990) as Chairwoman of the Democratic Front of Albania.[2]Azerbaijan: Heydar Aliyev (President, 1993–2003); succeeded by his son Ilham Aliyev (2003–present).Central and South AmericaParaguay: Carlos Antonio López (President, 1840–1862); succeeded by his son, Francisco Solano López (1862–1870)El Salvador: Carlos Meléndez (President, 1915–1918), succeeded by his brother Jorge Meléndez (1919–1923), succeeded by his brother-in-law Alfonso Quiñónez Molina (acting 1918–1919, 1923–1927)Dominican Republic: Rafael Trujillo (de facto 1930–1961, with brother Héctor serving as figurehead president 1952–1960), nominally succeeded by his son Ramfis Trujillo for a few months in 1961; Ramfis failed to fully consolidate his power over the country and was overthrown.Nicaragua: Anastasio Somoza García (President, 1937–1947, de facto 1947–1950, 1950–1956), succeeded by his son Luis Somoza Debayle (1956–1963, de facto 1963–1967), succeeded by his brother Anastasio Somoza Debayle (1967–1972, de facto 1972–1974, 1974–1979). See also Somoza family.Argentina: Juan Perón (President, 1946–55 and 1973–74); succeeded by his wife Isabel Martínez de Perón (1974–76). See also Peronism.Haiti: François Duvalier (President and later President for life, 1957–1971); succeeded by his son Jean-Claude Duvalier (President For Life, 1971–1986). See also Duvalier dynasty.Cuba: Fidel Castro (1959–2011), succeeded by his brother Raúl Castro, current First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba (2011–present).Asia North Korea: Kim Il-sung (1948–1994), succeeded by his son Kim Jong-il (1994–2011), succeeded by his son Kim Jong-un (2011–present). Kim Jong-il did not officially take office until 1997, when his father was posthumously given the position of Eternal President. On 2 June 2009, it was reported that Kim Jong-il's youngest son, Kim Jong-un, was to be North Korea's next leader. Like his father and grandfather, he was given an official sobriquet, The Great Successor and The Brilliant Comrade. It was reported that Kim Jong-il was expected to officially designate the son as his successor in 2012, but Kim Jong-il died in 2011 and Kim Jong-un was nevertheless announced as his successor. The 2013 edition of the "Ten Fundamental Principles of the Korean Workers' Party" – Article 10, Clause 2 – states that the Party and Revolution must be carried "eternally" by the "Baekdu (Kim's) bloodline". See also Kim Dynasty.Iraq: Abdul Salam Arif (President, 1963–1966); succeeded by his brother Abdul Rahman Arif (1966–1968).Syria: Hafez al-Assad (1971–2000), succeeded by his son Bashar al-Assad (2000–present). Bashar's elder brother, Basil al-Assad, had been designated for the presidency but died in 1994, six years prior to his father's death. See also Al-Assad family. The Al-Assad family has ruled Syria since 1971.AfricaGabon: Omar Bongo (Acting President, 1966–1967; President, 1967–2009) died in June 2009. His son Ali Bongo Ondimba (2009–present) succeeded him after winning a disputed election in August 2009.Togo: Gnassingbé Eyadéma (President, 1967–2005); succeeded by his son Faure Gnassingbé (2005–present). Under international pressure, Faure had to resign on 25 February 2005, but was elected to the presidency in April 2005.Djibouti: Hassan Gouled Aptidon (President, 1977–1999); succeeded by his nephew Ismaïl Omar Guelleh (1999–present).Democratic Republic of the Congo: Laurent-Désiré Kabila (President, 1997–2001); succeeded by his son Joseph Kabila (2001–2019). Joseph Kabila was democratically elected in October 2006.Unfulfilled successions (that were intended to be multi-generational)China: After the death of Mao Zedong (1949–1976) his wife Jiang Qing planned a bloodless coup with the Gang of Four.South Vietnam: Ngô Đình Diệm (Prime Minister, 1954–1955; President, 1955–1963) intended to hand power to his brother, Ngô Đình Nhu until both were arrested and assassinated during the 1963 coup.Philippines: Ferdinand Marcos (1965–1986) intended his wife Imelda to be his successor but was ousted through the People Power Revolution.Romania: Elena Ceaușescu, wife of Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu (President of the State Council, 1967–1989; President, 1974–1989), was intended to succeed her husband until they were executed during the 1989 Romanian Revolution. Also, they were preparing their son, Nicu Ceausescu to succeed them.Libya: It was speculated that Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the second son of then-leader Muammar Gaddafi (Brotherly Leader and Guide of the Revolution, 1969–2011) was going to succeed Gaddafi as leader, but Muammar was overthrown and Saif al-Islam stated that "this is not a farm to inherit". Muammar Gaddafi's fourth son Mutassim Gaddafi was considered Saif al-Islam's strongest competitor in the question of succeeding their father.Bangladesh: Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman (1971–1975), the first President of Bangladesh, expected his son Sheikh Kamal to succeed him. Both were assassinated in 1975.Yemen: In 2004, Ali Abdullah Saleh (President of North Yemen then President of unified Yemen, 1978–2012) appointed his son, Ahmed Saleh, as commander of the Yemeni Republican Guard – a move interpreted by analysts as designating a family succession. Amid the Yemeni Revolution in 2012 and shortly after being elected president, Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi dissolved the Republican Guard, effectively removing Ahmed Saleh from any meaningful power.Iraq: Saddam Hussein (de facto 1979–2003) designated his elder son Uday Hussein to succeed him as dictator, then changed the succession to his younger son Qusay Hussein after Uday suffered a severe injury in 1996. The U.S. invasion of Iraq and the death of both his sons, followed by Saddam's trial and subsequent execution made succession a moot point. See also Saddam's family.Zimbabwe: Robert Mugabe (Prime Minister then President, 1980–2017) wanted his wife Grace to succeed him, but this was prevented by a military coup.Malaysia: Mahathir Mohamad (Prime Minister, 1981–2003; 2018–present) once told the high court that he would have made his son, Mukhriz Mahathir, head of government long ago, but this never happened as Mahathir chose Anwar Ibrahim as his successor later.Egypt: Hosni Mubarak (President, 1981–2011) groomed his son Gamal Mubarak to become his successor, but was ousted in the 2011 Egyptian revolution.Venezuela: It was speculated that Adán Chávez, the brother of then-leader Hugo Chávez (President, 1999–2013) was going to succeed Chávez as president, but this never happened. There was also speculation that one of Hugo Chávez's daughters, Maria Gabriela or Rosa Virginia, would succeed him.As to the poll suggestion, the question is pretty straight forward and you should have no issue with it, as it makes reference only to "a country's immediate ruling* family":Which of these select all-time Oscar-nominated performances depicting a movie character of a country's immediate ruling* family is your favorite? * King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, Emperess, Dictator and Dictatress or other family equivalent (real-life or fictional).I also based on the logic and facts above think that it is a reasonable to group Kings, Emperors and Dictators under a ruling umbrella. A personalistic regime (dictatorship,hereditary dictatorship ), an absolute monarchy (king, royal family) and a despotate (emperor, imperial family), all basically operate the same in practice (with divine right being the primary difference). Hence, I have the revised title to Favorite Oscar-Nominated Ruling Family Performance.

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urbanemovies wrote:...They got and kept their power by spilling a lot of blood over the years. I am sure a lot of member's hands are clean today, but you ignore how their families got there in the first place. Their founders and other royal member along the way are no different and no cleaner than the dictators...8/ poor Grace Kelly, Princess Diana, Harry and Meghan... and many others. Now I know what the real blind hate is.

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Blind hatred is when the facts don't support the conclusion. I don't think that would apply, as the facts support the conclusion and history has repeated itself time and again. I find no fault with Grace Kelly, Princess Diana, Harry and Meghan But, I am sure even they would admit history is filled numerous acts of bloodshed committed by those who came before them.

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Favorite Oscar-Nominated Ruling Family Performance is still outstanding.