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Live Poll: Noble Oscar-Nominated Performance?
Favorite Noble Oscar-Nominated Performance? Which of these Oscar-nominated performance depicting a noble* rank or noble-born movie character, excluding the immediate royal family is your favorite? * Duke, Duchess, Marquess, Marchioness, Earl, Count, Countess, Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, Lord, Lady or other noble-born characters (real-life or fictional) Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/V17dccMerj4/ See the partial IMAGE list of Oscar-nominated noble character performances here: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls040419058/
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Royal (Ruling) or Noble Oscar-Nominated Performance Honorable Mentions Royalty Characters Jack Oakie, The Great Dictator Benzini Napaloni: Dictator of Bacteria Charles Laughton The Private Life of Henry VIII. Henry VIII: King of England John Barrymore Marie Antoinette Louis XVI: King of France Charles Boyer Conquest Napoleon Bonaparte: Emperor of France Peter Ustinov Quo Vadis Nero: Emperor of Rome Basil Rathbone If I Were King Louis XI: King of France Bette Davis, Brian Aherne Juarez Maximilian von Habsburg: Emperor of MexicoNobility Characters Lewis Stone The Patriot Count Peter Alekseyevich Pahleni Frank Morgan The Affairs of Cellini Alessandro de' Medici, Duke of Florence
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My vote from the list of Royals: Lucius Aurelius Commodus My vote from the list of Nobles: Winston Churchill
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Hello Movie Fans, While looking forward to the 91st Oscar Nominations, my vote is for Norma Shearer as Marie Antoinette in the title role. (1939)
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Jessica
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Typos:The 2019 award season may very well be the year of the royal or noble...Which of these Oscar-nominated performances depicting...
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I would take issue with including Chaplin's Hitler parody as a "royal".Same goes for Idi Amin, though I have a feeling we have discussed this before somewhere.
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post award season introduction and question updatesThe most recent award season secured Olivia Colman Best Actress awards at the Oscars, the Golden Globes and BAFTA film award ceremonies. The year also included Oscar-nominated performances by Emma Stone and Rachel Weisz in The Favourite (2018) and the BAFTA-nominated and SAG-nominated performance by Margot Robbie in Mary Queen of Scots (2018) among others.Favorite Oscar-Nominated Sovereign PerformanceWhich of these select all-time Oscar-nominated performances depicting a movie character of a countries' immediate ruling* family is your favorite? * King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, Emperoress, Dictator and Dictatress or other equivalent (real-life or fictional).Favorite Oscar-Nominated Noble Performance?Which of these all-time Oscar-nominated performances depicting a noble* rank or born-to-nobility movie character, excluding the immediate royal family is your favorite? * Duke, Duchess, Marquess, Marchioness, Earl, Count, Countess, Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, Lord, Lady or other noble-born characters (real-life or fictional)
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Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/V17dccMerj4/?ref_=po_ho Hooray, hurrah!
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POLL ADMN PLEASE CORRECT The Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/V17dccMerj4/ was erroneously placed under Favorite Royal Oscar-Nominated Performance? instead of correctly under Favorite Noble Oscar-Nominated Performance? The poll suggestion regarrding Oscar-nominated royal character performances has yet to go live.
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Congratulations urbanemovies on your 315th live poll! As of 15-May-2019 9:32 PM Pacific your polls have 453,986 or more votes, for an average of 1,441 votes per poll.Favorite Oscar-Nominated Noble Performance?7722nd Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/V17dccMerj4/This is the 2,498th Image poll. Such polls have a total of 4,316,172 votes for an average of 1,728 votes per poll.Total Number of Votes 17,295,705 Projected Date of 20 Million Votes 19-Nov-2020 Days Until 20 Million Votes 554 This is the list of urbanemovies' polls as of 2-May-2019:Sorted Alphabetically http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2014/05/imdb-polls-alphabetical-by-author.html#urbanemoviesIn Decreasing Order of Votes http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2015/03/imdb-polls-descending-order-of-votes-by.html#urbanemoviesAlphabetical List of Polls http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2014/03/imdb-polls-alphabetical.htmlTop IMDb Polls http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2015/07/top-imdb-polls.htmlIMDb Polls - Descending Order of Votes http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2013/12/imdb-polls-descending-order-of-votes.htmlSummary Statistics http://mypollwatch.blogspot.com/2016/05/summary-statistics.htmlKey Threads - IMDb Poll FAQs Index https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/faq-key-threads-imdb-poll-faqs-indexHow to Improve the Chance of Having your Poll on the Home Page https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/faq-how-to-improve-the-chance-of-having-your-poll-on-the-hom...
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Typo: * King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, Empress ...Are you sure all the options in the list are still valid, since you changed "royal" to "sovereign"?
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Typo: "a country's immediate ruling family" I still don't see why you would include dictators who are not royals and who are not members of ruling families and exclude actual royal characters like Laughton's Henry.
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I think you are fooling yourself, if you think all those royal family lines in countries "where monarchy are an enjoyable tradition" weren't founded by conquerors or dictators or their past equivalents. Nobody handed them the keys to the country, like they were buying a new car. They got and kept their power by spilling a lot of blood over the years. I am sure a lot of member's hands are clean today, but you ignore how their families got there in the first place. Their founders and other royal member along the way are no different and no cleaner than the dictators you think they are better than. Monarchies don't do that anymore, simply because they can't get away with it, their sole power resides in tradition and being beloved. I think you might be romanticizing them by whitewashing their past and ignoring the facts of the case. Royalty has also evolved.The type of royal families and their monarchies you refer to aren't being founded or created anymore. More likely, they are being phased out or their power is being taken from them. That has been in the cards for over a hundred years or more, as evidence by their decline. The nouveau royalty of today, mostly created in the past century has come in the form of dictators establishing personalist rule (today's equivalent of a monarchy). Granted, some have been limited to a single generation, but so have some royal lines.These family dictatorships differ little from the framework of a monarchy except for some minor details. Kim Jong-un, The Great Successor and The Brilliant Comrade is the third generation member of North Korea's dictatorial royal family is a perfect example. Other single and multi-generation family dictatorships include, but are not limited to the following examples (according to Wikipedia).EuropeRoman Republic: Gaius Julius Caesar (49–44 BCE) succeeded by his grand-nephew and adopted son Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (44–27 BCE).Roman Empire: The early dynasties of the Roman Empire operated similarly to a family dictatorship. Augustus (27 BCE–14 CE) kept up the facade of a republic during his reign but designated his own successor, Tiberius, by adopting Tiberius and convincing the Senate to transfer his powers to Tiberius (14 CE–37 CE) upon his death. For three hundred years, subsequent emperors customarily designated their successor by adoption. From the reign of Diocletian (284–305) onwards, emperors ruled in an openly monarchic style.Dutch Republic: Stadtholders were chosen exclusively from the House of Orange-Nassau. In all, nine princes of this dynasty ruled the Republic from 1559 to 1795. Stadtholders were described as dictators by William Aglionby in his 1669 book, The Present State of the United Provinces of the Low-Countries.Commonwealth of England: Oliver Cromwell (1653–1658) succeeded as Lord Protector of the Commonwealth by his son Richard Cromwell (1658–1659). Richard Cromwell was overthrown by the army in Spring, 1659, leading to the restoration of King Charles II the next year.Albania: Enver Hoxha (First Secretary of the Party of Labour, 1944–1985; Prime Minister, 1944–1954); succeeded by his wife Nexhmije Hoxha (1986–1990) as Chairwoman of the Democratic Front of Albania.[2]Azerbaijan: Heydar Aliyev (President, 1993–2003); succeeded by his son Ilham Aliyev (2003–present).Central and South AmericaParaguay: Carlos Antonio López (President, 1840–1862); succeeded by his son, Francisco Solano López (1862–1870)El Salvador: Carlos Meléndez (President, 1915–1918), succeeded by his brother Jorge Meléndez (1919–1923), succeeded by his brother-in-law Alfonso Quiñónez Molina (acting 1918–1919, 1923–1927)Dominican Republic: Rafael Trujillo (de facto 1930–1961, with brother Héctor serving as figurehead president 1952–1960), nominally succeeded by his son Ramfis Trujillo for a few months in 1961; Ramfis failed to fully consolidate his power over the country and was overthrown.Nicaragua: Anastasio Somoza García (President, 1937–1947, de facto 1947–1950, 1950–1956), succeeded by his son Luis Somoza Debayle (1956–1963, de facto 1963–1967), succeeded by his brother Anastasio Somoza Debayle (1967–1972, de facto 1972–1974, 1974–1979). See also Somoza family.Argentina: Juan Perón (President, 1946–55 and 1973–74); succeeded by his wife Isabel Martínez de Perón (1974–76). See also Peronism.Haiti: François Duvalier (President and later President for life, 1957–1971); succeeded by his son Jean-Claude Duvalier (President For Life, 1971–1986). See also Duvalier dynasty.Cuba: Fidel Castro (1959–2011), succeeded by his brother Raúl Castro, current First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba (2011–present).Asia North Korea: Kim Il-sung (1948–1994), succeeded by his son Kim Jong-il (1994–2011), succeeded by his son Kim Jong-un (2011–present). Kim Jong-il did not officially take office until 1997, when his father was posthumously given the position of Eternal President. On 2 June 2009, it was reported that Kim Jong-il's youngest son, Kim Jong-un, was to be North Korea's next leader. Like his father and grandfather, he was given an official sobriquet, The Great Successor and The Brilliant Comrade. It was reported that Kim Jong-il was expected to officially designate the son as his successor in 2012, but Kim Jong-il died in 2011 and Kim Jong-un was nevertheless announced as his successor. The 2013 edition of the "Ten Fundamental Principles of the Korean Workers' Party" – Article 10, Clause 2 – states that the Party and Revolution must be carried "eternally" by the "Baekdu (Kim's) bloodline". See also Kim Dynasty.Iraq: Abdul Salam Arif (President, 1963–1966); succeeded by his brother Abdul Rahman Arif (1966–1968).Syria: Hafez al-Assad (1971–2000), succeeded by his son Bashar al-Assad (2000–present). Bashar's elder brother, Basil al-Assad, had been designated for the presidency but died in 1994, six years prior to his father's death. See also Al-Assad family. The Al-Assad family has ruled Syria since 1971.AfricaGabon: Omar Bongo (Acting President, 1966–1967; President, 1967–2009) died in June 2009. His son Ali Bongo Ondimba (2009–present) succeeded him after winning a disputed election in August 2009.Togo: Gnassingbé Eyadéma (President, 1967–2005); succeeded by his son Faure Gnassingbé (2005–present). Under international pressure, Faure had to resign on 25 February 2005, but was elected to the presidency in April 2005.Djibouti: Hassan Gouled Aptidon (President, 1977–1999); succeeded by his nephew Ismaïl Omar Guelleh (1999–present).Democratic Republic of the Congo: Laurent-Désiré Kabila (President, 1997–2001); succeeded by his son Joseph Kabila (2001–2019). Joseph Kabila was democratically elected in October 2006.Unfulfilled successions (that were intended to be multi-generational)China: After the death of Mao Zedong (1949–1976) his wife Jiang Qing planned a bloodless coup with the Gang of Four.South Vietnam: Ngô Đình Diệm (Prime Minister, 1954–1955; President, 1955–1963) intended to hand power to his brother, Ngô Đình Nhu until both were arrested and assassinated during the 1963 coup.Philippines: Ferdinand Marcos (1965–1986) intended his wife Imelda to be his successor but was ousted through the People Power Revolution.Romania: Elena Ceaușescu, wife of Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu (President of the State Council, 1967–1989; President, 1974–1989), was intended to succeed her husband until they were executed during the 1989 Romanian Revolution. Also, they were preparing their son, Nicu Ceausescu to succeed them.Libya: It was speculated that Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the second son of then-leader Muammar Gaddafi (Brotherly Leader and Guide of the Revolution, 1969–2011) was going to succeed Gaddafi as leader, but Muammar was overthrown and Saif al-Islam stated that "this is not a farm to inherit". Muammar Gaddafi's fourth son Mutassim Gaddafi was considered Saif al-Islam's strongest competitor in the question of succeeding their father.Bangladesh: Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman (1971–1975), the first President of Bangladesh, expected his son Sheikh Kamal to succeed him. Both were assassinated in 1975.Yemen: In 2004, Ali Abdullah Saleh (President of North Yemen then President of unified Yemen, 1978–2012) appointed his son, Ahmed Saleh, as commander of the Yemeni Republican Guard – a move interpreted by analysts as designating a family succession. Amid the Yemeni Revolution in 2012 and shortly after being elected president, Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi dissolved the Republican Guard, effectively removing Ahmed Saleh from any meaningful power.Iraq: Saddam Hussein (de facto 1979–2003) designated his elder son Uday Hussein to succeed him as dictator, then changed the succession to his younger son Qusay Hussein after Uday suffered a severe injury in 1996. The U.S. invasion of Iraq and the death of both his sons, followed by Saddam's trial and subsequent execution made succession a moot point. See also Saddam's family.Zimbabwe: Robert Mugabe (Prime Minister then President, 1980–2017) wanted his wife Grace to succeed him, but this was prevented by a military coup.Malaysia: Mahathir Mohamad (Prime Minister, 1981–2003; 2018–present) once told the high court that he would have made his son, Mukhriz Mahathir, head of government long ago, but this never happened as Mahathir chose Anwar Ibrahim as his successor later.Egypt: Hosni Mubarak (President, 1981–2011) groomed his son Gamal Mubarak to become his successor, but was ousted in the 2011 Egyptian revolution.Venezuela: It was speculated that Adán Chávez, the brother of then-leader Hugo Chávez (President, 1999–2013) was going to succeed Chávez as president, but this never happened. There was also speculation that one of Hugo Chávez's daughters, Maria Gabriela or Rosa Virginia, would succeed him.As to the poll suggestion, the question is pretty straight forward and you should have no issue with it, as it makes reference only to "a country's immediate ruling* family":Which of these select all-time Oscar-nominated performances depicting a movie character of a country's immediate ruling* family is your favorite? * King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, Emperess, Dictator and Dictatress or other family equivalent (real-life or fictional).I also based on the logic and facts above think that it is a reasonable to group Kings, Emperors and Dictators under a ruling umbrella. A personalistic regime (dictatorship,hereditary dictatorship ), an absolute monarchy (king, royal family) and a despotate (emperor, imperial family), all basically operate the same in practice (with divine right being the primary difference). Hence, I have the revised title to Favorite Oscar-Nominated Ruling Family Performance.
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urbanemovies wrote:...They got and kept their power by spilling a lot of blood over the years. I am sure a lot of member's hands are clean today, but you ignore how their families got there in the first place. Their founders and other royal member along the way are no different and no cleaner than the dictators...8/ poor Grace Kelly, Princess Diana, Harry and Meghan... and many others. Now I know what the real blind hate is.
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Blind hatred is when the facts don't support the conclusion. I don't think that would apply, as the facts support the conclusion and history has repeated itself time and again. I find no fault with Grace Kelly, Princess Diana, Harry and Meghan But, I am sure even they would admit history is filled numerous acts of bloodshed committed by those who came before them.
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Favorite Oscar-Nominated Ruling Family Performance is still outstanding.
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