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Saturday, August 18th, 2018 9:42 AM

Live Poll: Italia, Yes! Mafia, No!

If The Godfather (1972) has emphasized in our consciousness many positive aspects about Italian-American culture... it also generated a few negative ones as far as pop culture and gangster movies are concerned... and this comes from a fan of the film.

We tend to forget that many great movies set in Italian-American neighborhoods or featuring Italian-American protagonists have no connection whatsoever with the Mafia or any crime-related entity and deserve a tribute of their own.

So, which of these Italian-American non-Mafia movies is your favorite?

List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls024850607/

Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/xTHKp5qgpuo/

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6 years ago

Great idea! We need more polls like that, which demonstrate how stereotypes are not always the only existing thing. 

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That was the spirit... and that's what left me disappointed that I couldn't make the list to 20... :(

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I would love to add some suggestions, but nothing comes to mind without the mafia completely. Will hit the memory lane and maybe suggest something. 

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Yeah, and I don't want to fill the list with all the 'Rocky' sequels :)

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6 years ago

If Mafia defines Itália, The stereotypes of USA is that they are racists. This is what I see from the movies.

But from your list I choose Rocky, although that in the beginning when he was working for Mr. Gazzo he was collecting debts which seems a like a gangster.

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Man, totally forgot about Mr. Gazzo and I should not considering it's Joe Spinell, one of my favorite actors! 

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That's a good point about "Rocky", I guess we can agree that the character of Gazzo (who wasn't exactly unlikable) was indirectly establishing Rocky Balboa's status as a local thug or two-bit puncher, to better highlight his ascension toward championship and the conquest of his own self-esteem... but it's not like gangsterism was integral to the plot, like in another well-intentioned film such as "A Bronx Tale".

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And now, I'm not so sure about Raging Bull

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Raging Bull you maybe need to consider because Jake agreed to lose a fight in order to get a title shot. The influence of Tommy was huge.

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Yep, you're right.

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6 years ago

Do the Right Thing, Fatso.

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6 years ago

The movie Brooklyn (2015), perhaps.

I know it revolves around the Irish-American, but it also has some parts about the Italian-American. Not quite sure if it fits in your poll parameters.

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6 years ago

FYC:
The Karate Kid (Daniel LaRusso)
Don Jon

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6 years ago

For your consideration:

 

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What are we looking at?  Title please.

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6 years ago


FYC:
Memphis Belle (1990)
City of Hope (1991)
I Love You to Death (1990)
Big Night (1996)
Choke (2008)



SUPREMELY DISHONORABLE MENTION:
Super Mario Bros. (1993)

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The dishonorable mention makes for a nice last inclusion, grazie mille!

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6 years ago

My Cousin Vinny

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It would seem to be something easily done to compile a list of Italian-American movies sans the Mafia. But, in reality it is a much harder task than at first glance. I would double check these before adding: Return to Me (2000), Green Book (2018), Serpico (1973).

In To Die For (1995) in the finale New Hampshire restaurant owners, the Marettos hire a hitman to avenge their son's death, I don't think Mafia is ever explicitly mentioned, but the audience assumes the connection (perhaps correctly) because they are Italian-American and how slick the whole transaction is executed. Otherwise, there is no mention of the mafia throughout the movie.

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Serpico is tricky... it's all about NYPD connections with the "mob" and even small time punks but I don't recall any mention, not even implicit, about the Mafia. Much more, it was interesting to have an Italian-American character as the antithesis of the Mafia "values", literally what Serpico does is breaking the Police omerta. He's not even "good" because he's on the right side of the law but because he isolated himself out of respect for the badge he's wearing... I think I would really consider Serpico, not to mention the fact that the actor who played him had just played a badass mobster.

I can't vouch for the others though

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6 years ago

For your consideration:

 https://d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net/s3_images/1770534/RackMultipart20190106-127588-t5pk2w-grand.jpg?1546800092

Albeit, this one is a bit or two obscure.

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This film depressed the hell out of me when I saw it, worst thing is that the DVD had a problem near the end and all I could get was the final scene, I couldn't sleep the whole night thinking of life and death, especially since I had a plane to take and the film put me in all existential contemplation

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6 years ago

ElM,

My vote: Marty (1955)

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6 years ago

'Great poll! 'Big Night' is listed twice, though. I love that you have John Sayles' 'City of Hope' on the list!

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I Love You to Death is also listed twice.

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6 years ago

FYC:
Ladri di biciclette (1948)
Le notti di Cabiria (1957)
La strada (1954)
Don Camillo (1952)
81⁄2 (1963)
There were many good italian movies without mafia.

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The list is about Italian-Americans, not Italian films.

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Ah yes. Thank you for reminding me. :)

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Wasn't 'Taxi Driver' Travis Bickle an italian american?
In 'Sleepers' there is a mix of Irish and Italian american characters.
'Jersey Boys' is about an italian american music band.
'Paradise Alley' is about young italian imigrant men.
'Any Given Sunday' is a sports movie with an american italian lead character.
... by the way ... 'Big Night' is on the list twice. I guess that is not intended.
Greets. :)

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I'll remove the duplicate, thanks.
I think I'm considering movies that emphasize the Italian-American heritage of the main protagonist(s) or at least explore it in a few scenes in a way that makes it 'relevant'... for instance, I'm not sure I should consider The Karate Kid, Daniel LaRusso was Italian-American but his background had no relevance whatsoever to the plot. I think I'll remove it...
If there's another movie I wouldn't be familiar with and where the protagonists just "happen" to be Italian-American, let me know and I'll remove it.

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6 years ago

I think Green Book would fit. From reviews:

"Tony is a caricature of Italian-American family-man exuberance. He’s voluble and emotional and constantly smoking, eating, or both at the same time. At one point, reclining in a hotel-room bed, he folds a pizza in half and shoves it in his mouth. Not a slice of pizza. The whole pie."

"working-class Tony needs to find another gig fast, so long as it’s honest (if he’s not careful, the Sopranos-like local crime families will have him doing shady side jobs)"

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That's good enough for me, I might even mention it in the intro, let's add  it for a start :)

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6 years ago

Live Pollhttps://www.imdb.com/poll/xTHKp5qgpuo/?ref_=po_ho Cheers & applause, ElMo!