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Monday, February 20th, 2017 6:39 PM

2 LIVE POLLS: Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees

As of 2019, thirty-eight individuals have secured Oscar nominations in front of the camera, as well as, behind the camera.  Bradley Cooper's latest film, A Star Is Born (2018) and his nods in front of the camera for  Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role (actor), as well as, behind the camera for Best Motion Picture of the Year (producer) and Best Adapted Screenplay (screenwriter) is a perfect example. He is an elite member of this exclusive group having achieved the feat multiple times and in the same film. He previously had secured his place with his dual nod acting-producing American Sniper (2014) performance.

Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees (1929-2000)

Which person who first secured dual Oscar nominations* in front of the camera, as well as, behind the camera in the 20th century is the most impressive talent on both sides? *an acting Oscar nomination plus a behind the camera Oscar nomination (directing, writing, producing, music, etc.)

LIVE POLL: https://www.imdb.com/poll/Goepl-Z2NAQ/

See the list of 20th century both sides of camera Oscar nominees here: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls062200260/


Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees (2001-Now)
Which person who first secured dual Oscar nominations* in front of the camera, as well as, behind the camera in the 21st century is themost impressive talent on both sides? *an acting Oscar nomination plus a behind the camera Oscar nomination (directing, writing, producing, music, etc.)

LIVE POLL: https://www.imdb.com/poll/uTUUz8Jdl7E/

See the list of 21st century both sides of camera Oscar nominees here: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls062553253/

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Urbane: I don't think I saw Christine Lahti on the list, but she has both a Supporting Actress nomination and a Live Action Short Film win at the Oscars.

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I might be willing to broaden the scope for a feature length documentary movie, a feature length foreign language movie, or a feature length animated movie. But, I would leave the documentary short, live-action short, animated short segment to be covered in a separate poll.

1) it lowers the bar for inclusion and makes the achievement less rare and special. I am sure achieving the "Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees" feat on the feature level is more difficult and more rare than as a short. Shorts often are done  on a limited budget and a small crew. A one-man or one-woman show that drives the project by wearing multiple hats is common.

2) It creates an incomplete listing by expanding the scope. I am sure Christine Lahti isn't the only one who has achieved the feat on the short level. I don't want to include her and slight the others  who accomplished the same feat by omitting them. I lack a comprehensive listing or personal expertise to compile a complete "Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees"  short list.

3) Shorts Oscars are for the finished product and not specifically for a in front of the camera, as well as, behind the camera role. In this case, the award was for Best Short Film, Live Action Lieberman in Love (1995), both Christine Lahti and Jana Sue Memel shared the award. Lahti was the director and Memel was the executive producer. It might be clear in this case what role earned them their awards here, but in other cases it could be much less clear.

4) I further clarified the parameters of the poll scope to include an in front of the camera "*acting Oscar nomination plus a behind the camera feature-length Oscar nomination (directing, writing, producing, music, etc.)." As 2019, thirty-seven individuals have secured feature-length Oscar nominations in front of the camera, as well as, behind the camera.

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Urbane: That's fine, but in that case you should remove Peter Sellers from the list.

Sellers was nominated twice for acting, but his only other nomination was for Best Short Subject, Live Action Subjects, for The Running Jumping & Standing Still Film (1959). That's the same non-acting category in which Christine Lahti won her Oscar. So if she doesn't qualify, he doesn't either.

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Thanks, I appreciate the feedback and information on both Peter Sellers and  Christine Lahti. I removed Peter Sellers from list.

I went through all the shorts list and those two were the only ones that passed the "eye test". I am going to give it some more thought, but agree both should be in together or out together. The Peter Seller entry was even more suspect with shared credits Peter Sellers  (uncredited as director) and (thoughts by writing credit).

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5 years ago

Maybe you could add info about for which behind the camera categories were they nominated for.
I know you added the link to their awards, but I don't think many people will go clicking each of them and they will end up voting simply for their favorite actor.

It could help to know if they were Producers, Writers, or anything else. 

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Supposedly, most poll takers like simple and less cluttered polls. Sometimes that means less information and detail. Also, most poll takers like uncomplicated decisions. Not complicating making a decision with a bunch of facts makes the choices seem simpler. While, that makes sense and might make sense as to making an easy decision. It might not be the right one and certainly not an informed one.

I use the hyperlink resumes as a good compromise. They keep it simple for the majority of poll takers. While for those who require a bit more information to make an informed decision, it is one click away. Most dedicated film fans are going to know  the backgrounds of these filmmakers. But, a few of the people are more obscure or others might require a bit of a refresher. Anyways,the resumes and awards for each answer option are there for those who choose to avail themselves of it.

Charles Chaplin
Both Sides of the Camera (1948): Oscar Nominations

I agree most people are not going go clicking on each of them and they will end up voting simply for their favorite actor.

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5 years ago

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4 years ago

ADDED 2020 OSCAR NOMINEE
Robert De Niro finally gets his first producing nomination, 30 years and 28 films after his first producing credit as executive producer an on We're No Angels in 1989.

added 2020 Robert De Niro ... actor / producer nomination combo for The Irishman (2019)

Potential 2020 First-Time Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees (2001-Now) Combinations
(TOP 50) 2020 Oscar Predictions: Gold Derby Predicts the 92nd Academy Awards

???? 2020 Charlize Theron ... actress / producer nomination combo for Bombshell (2019)

???? 2020 Eddie Murphy ...actor / producer nomination combo for Dolemite Is My Name (2019)

???? 2020 Taika Waititi...actor / producer nomination combo for Jojo Rabbit (2019)

???? 2020 Jennifer Lopez ...actress / producer nomination combo for Hustlers (2019)

???? 2020 Mindy Kaling ...actress / writer / producer nomination combo for Late Night  (2019)

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Urb,

My vote:

Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees (1929-2000)
Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees (2001-Now)

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4 years ago

Please correct:

As of 2020

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As of 2020, thirty-seven individuals have career feature Oscar nominations in front of the camera, as well as, behind the camera (thirty-nine, if you count Peter Sellers' and Christine Lahti's shorts).

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Urb,

Thanks for making the correction.

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THANKS

I updated part two with a hyperlink to part one and adjusted the poll thread.

Part two is ready to go.

Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees (2001-Now)

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I don't get why the images don't always reflect the options. Is there a specific reason?

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@cinephile, 

You should specifically cite how they don't match. I reviewed both polls, every person cited as an answer option has a matching image of that same person to go with it.

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Example:

Orson Welles got 3 Oscar Nominations for Citizen Kane in 1942, but you put an image of him in Touch of Evil. Why did you choose to do so?

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Orson Welles in Touch of Evil (1958) vs.Orson Welles in Citizen Kane (1941)

I would have preferred to put a Citizen Kane image for Orson Welles too.

I opted for my second choice in this case due to a better solo head shot being available that was more centered and easier to view. It wasn't that long ago there were hardly any decent IMDb photos on the Citizen Kane page at all. This poll suggestion was created almost 4 years ago (10 Jan 2017) when the options on that page were very limited. 

I prefer Citizen Kane over Touch of Evil, but you might be under-rating the latter a bit. Touch of Evil isn't exactly a bad film with its 99 Metacritic score and multiple Top 100 listings. It reputation has even got better over time when audiences got to see the version that Welles wanted to make, as the 1958 release was a product of the studio having final cut rights on the theatrical release. In 1998, Touch of Evil was re-edited accordingly to Welles's original vision, as outlined in the 58-page memo in which he elaborately outlined his creative vision for the film, in response to being kicked off the film.

Also, even though it is probably his second most famous role, I would agree that an early Orson Welles and an aging Orson Welles are barely recognizable as the same person.

P.S. I had to make similar calls on a couple other answer options.

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I prefer Citizen Kane over Touch of Evil, but you might be under-rating the latter a bit.

https://www.imdb.com/user/ur91650024/ratings?sort=date_added,desc&ratingFilter=10&mode=detail&lastPosition=0

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls097591715/

I don't remember saying that Touch of evil was a bad film, not so long ago, my profile picture was Charlton Heston as Mike Vargas!!

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You didn't say it was a great film either. But thought a still picture from Touch of Evil was less worthy than a still from Citizen Kane to represent Orson Welles in the poll. If you don't want people to make inferences or assumptions, I would be more specific in your questions or comments.  I probably attached some of own feelings about the film, as it moved up a rating point or two when I saw it again as a re-release Director's Cut.

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First, In my point of view, a film can't represent the Oscars won by another film. If none of the images are good you can upload one.

At first, I didn't mention my opinion on Touch of Evil because it is irrelevant.

  BTW, my ratings have always been public:

https://www.imdb.com/user/ur91650024/ratings

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vs

The poll is about people who have high level diverse skill sets and asks who is "most impressive talent on both sides of the camera?" The Oscar nomination by that person is simply a condition to narrow the pool.  Those skill sets don't start and stop on work that is recognized. Sometime, the work that isn't recognized is vastly superior and the work that is well below thier usual standard.

While an ideal person image could recognize a role that speaks to both the question and condition, it sometimes not possible. Yes, if none of the images are good you can upload one. I have striven to do so by posting centered, well-sized head shots. But, sometimes that it easier said than done, as was the case, when this poll suggestion was first created.

In my opinion, given the differing levels of film knowledge of poll takers, the primary purpose of the image is to help poll takers identify or associate a name with the person they have seen. That is why sometimes a more identifiable role trumps a more Oscar winning or nominated role, if it speaks to more people or better helps them put the face with the name. Ruth Gordon in Harold and Maude (1971) or John Huston in Chinatown (1974) are too good examples. Neither role was deemed Oscar-worthy nor the apex of their careers or representative of their careers were all about. Despite, this I wouldn't be surprised to find in many movies goers mind it this first thing that comes to mind when hearing the name.

Regardless, I was able to achieve these goals to some degree and incorporate your feedback. I swapped out a couple images with ones that focus on the Oscars more and still focus on key projects, even though in few it meant a trade-off.

P.S. (other than Citizen Kane) I still would recommend being more specific, as I don't know which ones don't match, in your opinion or even what your requirements are for them to be matched.

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'Two very good polls! : )

For the second poll (2001 - ), may I suggest a few edits to the intro?

As of 2020, thirty-seven individuals have career feature Oscar nominations in front of the camera, as well as behind the camera (thirty-nine, if you count Peter Sellers' and Christine Lahti's shorts).

Which person who secured dual Oscar nominations* in front of the camera, as well as  behind the camera, in the 21st century, is the most impressive talent on both sides? *an acting Oscar nomination plus a behind-the-camera Oscar nomination (directing, writing, producing, music, etc.)

My vote: George Clooney

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@rubyfruit76, I corrected part two and made similar adjustments to part one.

As of 2020, thirty-seven individuals have career feature Oscar nominations in front of the camera, as well as, behind the camera (thirty-nine, if you count Peter Sellers' and Christine Lahti's shorts).

Which person who secured dual Oscar nominations* in front of the camera, as well as behind the camera, in the 21st century, is the most impressive talent on both sides? *an acting Oscar nomination plus a behind-the-camera Oscar nomination (directing, writing, producing, music, etc.)

Vote in the companion poll: Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees (1928-2000)

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Thanks, I added live poll hyperlink, moved to praise, updated title.

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3 years ago

The 2021 Oscar nominations yielded two more career "Both Camera Sides Oscar Nominees"

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@urbanemovies​ Will Smith joins the Both Sides Oscar Nomination club in 2022.

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1 year ago

Tom Cruise is the latest person to have nominations both behind the camera and in front of it.