Bot-created duplicate pages for podcasts

@Nomissimon10​ Thank you.

Both pages for THE BABYLON BEE are for the podcast. The external links bear this out. One of the pages simply hadn't yet been changed to "(Podcast Series)" Now it has. Those two pages need to be merged.

@Nomissimon10​ 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14085294/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17346308/

@Nomissimon10​ 

@Nomissimon10​ 

All of the mentioned podcast series mentioned here (Not including THE BABYLON BEE) is now in the process of being cleaned up. About half are already gone. I will continue to have a look at the remaining later on.

@jay_spirit I will have a look at BABYLON BEE later. However the deletion of 
Bill O'Reilly's No Spin News and Analysis (tt17346308)

The Peter Attia Drive Podcast (tt17078106)

Real Coffee with Scott Adams (tt20918640)

have been submitted and should be solved within a short amount of time.

Thanks again for letting me know.

@Nomissimon10​ 

The Young Turks (2005) (TV Series)

The Young Turks (2017) (Podcast Series)

Both of these pages refer to the same series. I believe (but am not certain) that THE YOUNG TURKS began as an online video series that was later released simultaneously as an audio-only podcast.

In any case, the two pages should be merged. The podcast and the subscription-based video series are the same show.

@jay_spirit​ Are you sure that this requires a merger, though? Others in this thread have indicated that as long as a YouTube or TV show is separately released in podcast format, then it can also be separately listed on IMDb, even if the audio on the podcast format is identical to the other format. There seem to be two schools of thought and I'm not sure which one is correct.

@keyword_expert​ 

I believe it would create a mess if we had separate pages for shows that have both a video version and an identical audio-only version. That would mean duplicate pages for thousands of shows, including most of the ones already cited on this thread, (e.g. Your Welcome with Michael Malice, The Ben Shapiro Show, The Matt Walsh Show, Real Coffee with Scott Adams, etc.).

The Young Turks, though, is a more ambiguous case. I believe it began as a video series and was released simultaneously in podcast form only later. Maybe there should be some discussion before the two are merged, but I hope they can be. Having two different pages would be confusing.

@keyword_expert​ 

When I said that Anderson Cooper 360 were not duplicates, I was mostly thinking that they were not two listings for podcasts, and that the show shouldn't end up listed only as a podcast. The podcast does seem to be audio from the TV show. It is not necessarily my opinion that the podcast needs a separate page. (I wouldn't use the word "identical" as the audio may well be edited.)

But if you want a policy discussion about this, I would suggest starting a new post.

@Peter_pbn​ Could be an idea to make a new thread about that indeed. To me it makes sense to have them separated because as you mentioned the audio might be changed apart from the actual audio in the TV show. On top of that video could add an important element that you would otherwise miss by just listening to the audio. Making them two completely different experiencing meaning you would not give them the same rating. Therefore it should be differentiated between.

@Nomissimon10​ I don't have strong opinions on this either way, but my preference would be for allowing two separate pages: one for the TV/YouTube series, and the other for the podcast series.

Most podcasts will contain slightly edited audio from the counterpart video versions, if nothing else for the promotional segments.

I also agree one of us should start up a new thread. Anyone willing to do that?

@jay_spirit​

It turns out that The Young Turks started as audio-only, According to these sources, The Young Turks started in 2002 on Sirius satellite radio, then became a YouTube show, then was carried on Air America.

I can't tell whether a satellite radio show qualifies as a podcast, and if not, when exactly this particular podcast started. The Young Turks calls itself "the longest running daily stream online" (I believe that's a reference to their video stream).

And as with many other podcasts, the audio of The Young Turks does appear to have slightly edited audio, making it different from the video version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks

https://podsearch.com/listing/the-young-turks-2.html

https://podsearch.com/listing/the-young-turks.html

The Archers (1950) (Podcast Series)

I created this page for the radio series that later (much later) became a podcast -- but still listed the start date as the date the radio series, not the podcast, began. The precedent I set hasn't been codified into the guidelines, but I hope it will be. It seems to me the sanest way to handle this situation, especially since IMDb is biased towards inclusion over exclusion. The more data, the better.

I'd also like to see the differences between video and audio versions of podcasts handled in the Alternate Versions section of each page. Having one page for each version would be a mess.

@jay_spirit​ I remember Orson Welles' "Mercury Theatre on the Air" was deleted as a result of this thread: https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/staff-radio-shows-old-radio-so-not-podcasts-not-allowed-but-not-deleted-either-what-is-the-policy-here/6176bfce203b6a57f4171ac6

I don't really see much difference with this "The Archers" page and that deleted "Mercury Theatre on the Air" page. As someone said there, it looks like it also became available as a podcast much later. So if this "The Archers" page is allowed in this condition (with a 1950 start date and with old episodes listed and such) then deletion of Orson Welles' radio show was probably a mistake? Or allowing Archers in this condition with old date and episodes is a mistake?

(one difference may be Archers still continues but Mercury Theatre does not?)

@mbmb​ 

The only difference I see is that THE ARCHERS became a podcast with new episodes, while MERCURY THEATER ON THE AIR was strictly a podcast with old episodes.

Even if old radio shows aren't eligible (yet!), it seems to me that the podcast should have remained with the current podcast dates listed.

I don't know. Maybe there has to be some extra material for the podcast to count. For instance, THE GREAT DETECTIVES OF OLD TIME RADIO plays old radio shows, but has introductions and epilogues by the host.

@jay_spirit​ Radio is still isn't eligible. I would argue that radio-turned-podcast should abide to archive footage (well, archive sound in this case) and shell episode policies. 

@MykolaYeriomin​ 

I agree if you're talking about a podcast like The Great Detectives of Old Time Radio. That program plays old radio shows, but with extra material. The current-day host has normal voice credits, but the actors in the old radio plays all have archives sound credits.

Ditto if you're talking about a podcast like The ComicWeb, which plays old radio programs without extra material. All the credits for this series are archive sound credits.

I assume you're not talking about a show like The Archers, which began as a radio program in 1950, but in this century is now both a radio program and a podcast. I assume that you would not want the 1950 episodes of this series to have archive sound credits.

@jay_spirit​ Makes sense, if it's a unique case like that.