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Tuesday, December 13th, 2022 2:11 PM

IMDbPro introduces additional control options for professionals

IMDbPro introduces additional control options for professionals

Earlier this year IMDbPro introduced new personalization options allowing members to opt into self-identifying their demographic information, including gender/gender identity, race/ethnicity, disabilities, and sexual orientation, and choosing which of these fields display in a new “Personal Details” section on their IMDbPro name page and in IMDbPro search results. Members can also choose whether this information displays in a new “Self-verified on IMDbPro” section on their IMDb name page.

In order to provide all entertainment professionals easy access to these features, IMDbPro also introduced a free membership plan, allowing them to sign up for the service and claim their own page without a paid subscription.

Now, to continue supporting professionals through all stages of their careers, IMDbPro is introducing new features available to all members (i.e. subscribers to either the free or standard membership plan): members who have claimed their page can now choose whether to self-submit/verify their age/year of birth, birthname, alternate names, and other demographic information and decide whether or not this information is displayed on the IMDb and IMDbPro sites and apps.

While IMDbPro members have been able to decide whether or not their age/birthyear is displayed on IMDbPro for more than a decade, this marks the first time they can choose whether their age/birthyear is displayed on the IMDb site and apps for entertainment fans and general consumers. For IMDbPro members who choose not to show their age/birthyear on their IMDb name page, the month and date of their birth will continue to display. On-screen talent can also choose whether to self-submit an Age-Playing Range to display on their IMDbPro name page and in IMDbPro search results to help casting directors, producers, and other industry decision-makers who rely on IMDbPro as part of the talent discovery process.

Since 2019, IMDb has enabled professionals to decide whether to display their birth name (in instances where it differs from their professional or chosen name) and/or alternate names on their IMDb and IMDbPro name page by contacting Customer Support. Today’s launch advances this policy with a new, convenient, self-service tool for IMDbPro members to decide whether or not to display their birthname and any alternate names by which they have been credited on IMDb and IMDbPro name and title pages and in search results. For members who choose not to display their alternate names, the IMDb and IMDbPro title pages for productions they worked on will list their professional name with the notation “Credited as a different name” next to their credit, to reflect that this information differs from the on-screen credits.

These product and policy updates, developed with the input of GLAAD, SAG-AFTRA, and other leading industry organizations, are part of an ongoing commitment from IMDb to support progress towards more equitable hiring in the entertainment industry and align with the IMDb mission to be the most accurate and complete source of entertainment information.

IMDbPro members can access these features now using the “Edit your page” button at the top of their name page on the IMDbPro site or app. Age/birthyear and demographic information display options can be accessed in the Personal Details section, and birth name and alternate name display options can be accessed in the Performer Profile section.

For detailed instructions, please see: https://help.imdb.com/article/imdbpro/manage-your-imdb-page/manage-your-personal-details-beta/GSPE4URAA93PW6C9

 

Full press release available here: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/G/01/IMDb/pr/pdf/IMDbPressRelease_121322IMDbUpdates.pdf

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2 months ago

The help pages make clear that a name that is not displayed is not searchable. I wonder if it was considered whether the name could optionally be searchable, but not displayed. Even if someone doesn't want a former name or inaccurate spelling displayed, they might still like that you are directed to the correct name if you search for the wrong name.

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2 months ago

Just some quick points about this, eh, rather, eh, interesting post.

members who have claimed their page can now choose whether to self-submit/verify their age/year of birth, birthname, alternate names, and other demographic information and decide whether or not this information is displayed on the IMDb and IMDbPro sites and apps.

This policy change affects not only the people in the industry, but also the customers of this site as well as the contributors of the database. Yet, this has only been posted on the board for the people in the business. I don't know or understand why. I could think it means you only care about that group. I could also think you didn't want contributors to find out because they might not like DATA being removed from a DATAbase. I could also think you simply didn't think about it. Quite some things I could think off, none of them positive. But maybe there's a reason I didn't think of. If that's the case, I'm obviously glad to hear it.

These product and policy updates, developed with the input of GLAAD, SAG-AFTRA, and other leading industry organizations

Were there any groups consisting of customers and/or groups of contributors involved in this policy update?

And what where the "other leading industry organizations"? Were they also American, like GLAAD, SAG-AFTRA? I ask because this post seems to suggest IMDb wants to be more equal and inclusive, but the decision to remove data from a database that people from all countries (almost 200 of them) all over the globe use has been made by a couple of American organizations within the entertainment industry? To me, it seems that decision was not made with an enormous amount of inclusiveness.

align with the IMDb mission to be the most accurate and complete source of entertainment information. 

This is obviously just a blatant lie. Stating you want to be accurate and complete while announcing (at the very same time!) a policy change that will remove facts from a database is simply Orwellian.

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@Marco​ People overuse and misuse George Orwell comparisons. 

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Yes, Mykola, I agree. On the other hand, by the way, the word "gaslighting" is the Merriam-Webster dictionary's word of the year, for 2022. I don't whether or not that is a wonderful situation or a troubling sign.

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@jeorj_euler​ Oh, I know, I wrote a news item for a Ukrainian website on "gaslighting" being a word of the year. I can actually kinda agree with this choice, since it's not just a dangerous/criminal behaviour that often goes undetected, for some countries such as Russian Federation this is also a state policy on many things. Ukraine's population spent much of the independence before arguably 2004 and definitely 2014 undecided and unsure whether we're even really a country, a direct result of Russia gaslighting us into that submissive position and instilling deep, subconscious doubts. 

It's kinda inspiring to see that finally backfiring and centuries worth of toxic programming finally being undone. I wish the price was not as high, though.

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@MykolaYeriomin​ and @jeorj_euler: First of all, sorry for my late reply. That being said, I don't think my use or misuse of the term Orwellian is the most important issue raised on this thread. Do you feel it's okay for IMDb to let people delete data that perhaps you yourselves have added?

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Well, I don't approve of the IMDb company deleting, obscuring or gatekeeping accurate public information provided by contributors. I'm very disappointed and wish this wouldn't be done, especially seeing as how, at least as far as the United States be concerned, there is no legal obligation, despite the statutes ratified by the Californian legislature, which has repeatedly violated the Bill of Rights. On the other hand, and likewise, IMDb is not my slave, just like none of these well-renown websites are, and I cannot expect them to behave as though they were. I do worry that the IMDb company is caving to the pressure being put on it by California and the European Union, regardless. I'm not even sure about Canada, Australia and South Africa, but I worry about their governments becoming a problem too, and not just for Amazon/IMDb. Seemingly there are a lot of people around the world who are either afraid of freedom of speech or simply don't understand how something as essential as a birth certificate is in and of itself public information whenever the certifying agency (or any person named on the document) publishes the document.

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@jeorj_euler​ Thanks for your response. Obviously IMDb isn't my slave either, but speaking our minds about things we deem important is something we can, and I think should, do.

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@Giancarlo_Cairella , @Col_Needham

What about your commitment to provide your users the factual data? Why do you let the year of birth be hidden, I mean deleted from the database? Then you shouldn't force the contributors to add the year of birth when submitting a date of birth data because the system won't allow this, and it should also be updated accordingly.

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1 month ago

Hi,

I realized the birthdays of people who have chosen to hide their year of birth (age) aren't displayed on IMDB searches, so is this also intentional? Normally speaking, the system should only hide the age not the day because it is displayed on the respective page (as it should), but not in the auto-created biography because it hides everything related to the birthdate data.

For example: The day is visible, but on the automatic biography only the place of birth is seen.

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Birthdays Aren't Displayed on IMDB Search & Biography

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@jabrenner​ 

I don't follow your example, since this is what I see on the desktop version:

Your other post:
about being unable to submit the birthdate without the year, should be mentioned here too, so I just did.

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@bderoes​ 

Thank you for your input.

I would like to expatiate it. So let's take Sam Pancake as an example. The actor chose to hide his age, only his birthday (May 10th) is seen.

However, if you search for his name here, you won't be able to locate him (not even on the next pages at all) because he isn't listed with his birthday so the new system completely hides him, which could be a systematical mistake. 

Also regarding the first example, please take notice of the actress' place of birth is in her auto-created biography, but not her birthday when in fact it should be read as a whole.

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@jabrenner​ 

I agree that the Name search for his listed birthday does not include Sam Pancake, since he should appear on this page:

https://www.imdb.com/search/name/?birth_monthday=05-10&sort=alpha,desc&start=201&ref_=rlm

By clicking on a couple of other people that _are_ on the page, I see their birth year as well.

So it seems the birthday search is not yet updated to the new hide-my-year policy.

So on your original report, when you said 

the system should only hide the age not the day because it is displayed on the respective page (as it should), but not in the auto-created biography because it hides everything related to the birthdate data.

"it" refers to the Search, not the auto-created biography?

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@Bethanny @Giancarlo_Cairella @bderoes 

Well, actually it refers to both. If the bio is auto, the day is invisible in it. And right now, the system hides peoples' birthdays, which shouldn't whether they choose to hide their age or not.

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Just to be clear: the fact that the search function is not returning matches for people who have only a birthday/month listed is a bug, not an intentional feature. We are aware of it and it will be addressed as soon as we can.

On the other hand, re: the birthdate information in auto-generated mini bio, if the person has selected to remove the display of their birth year, then the entire birthdate (including the day/month) is omitted. That is by design.

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Hi @Giancarlo_Cairella 

I am just checking in to learn if there is any improvement over this glitch. Unfortunately, the search function still hides people despite their birthday is listed.

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@jabrenner​ Sorry for the delay.  This bug is still on the list to be addressed soon. 

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@jabrenner

Thanks everyone for your patience while we investigated and fixed this problem.

The issue has now been fixed and searches now correctly return matches that include names with only a partial birthdate listed.

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1 month ago

The date of birth field in the contribution form has been removed for people who have hidden their birth year. Will it not be possible to submit corrections to the birth date? 

Edit: Confirmed here:

There are instances where personal details, like age, may not appear on a name page or be open to public contribution.

For example, if a page is claimed and the owner has either self-verified their birthdate or chose not to display it, contributions to add or update the Birthdate will not be allowed.

When contribution is not available based on the page owner’s selections, you’ll see a message in the workflow and won’t be able to submit that data to the page.

If it is not possible to correct a birth date, it has consequences for the reliability of the data.

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Verifiable factual errors can and should always be addressed -- if the online form doesn't allow the data to be submitted, the change can be requested by contacting customer service and we will look into the evidence provided and make all applicable changes internally.

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@Giancarlo_Cairella​ 

That's good, but certainly not suggested in that help page, which just says "contributions to add or update the Birthdate will not be allowed."

The help page also says "you’ll see a message in the workflow", but I don't see it yet. The absence of the date field is not acknowledged.

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Will it ever get acknowledged by the staff? Why isn't there at least an answer?

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The IMDB lists the day of birth for actress Jane Levy https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3994408/bio (December 29th) but doesn't list a year of birth.  I located her DOB on the California Birth Index at https://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/jane_colburn_levy_born_1989_19294201 which is 1989.  However, when I attempted to either correct the existing date or add a new entry to provide the year of birth, it won't allow me to and just has a section for a place of birth (Los Angeles).

I've tried several ways around this, but it doesn't seem to work.  Can you tell me how to do this?  I haven't had this problem before.

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled The IMDB isn't allowing me to enter a year of birth for an actress.

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IMDb are allowing people to hide their year of birth.

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Contribution of birthdate

IMDbPro introduces additional control options for professionals

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17 days ago

The documentation says users can "self-submit" or "self-identify" their birthdate. As far as I can tell, the Personal Details menu on Pro links to the traditional Date of Birth update form. So is there actually any change with regard to submitting a date?

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@Peter_pbn​ Thanks for the question — nothing has changed on the contribution side for the owner of a claimed page (nor for a contributor to an unclaimed page).