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Wed, Dec 6, 2017 7:51 PM

Updates to List Pages

Today (Dec 6) we are announcing an update to the List pages on the IMDb desktop experience. This update is part of the broader site changes announced recently (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0). After in-depth discussion and examination, we have decided to simplify the features and functionality for lists. We have merged “compact view” and list editing into a single Edit experience. In that one view, you can now modify your text and add, copy, delete and move items. We have also pulled List actions (edit, export, settings) together into a 1-click menu (the 3 vertical dots on the top right of the page). You will now also find two new options in the Refine menu: ‘In Theaters’ and ‘Keywords.’  Tech constraints on the new system prohibit us from continuing to support drag-and-drop from the Edit view; we appreciate your understanding. For more information about Lists, see the IMDb Help Center.

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can I no longer put single episodes of TV show on my lists?.

I tried a few things; here's what worked & didn't for me.

On the title page of an episode, the + icon still brings up my lists, from which I could add the title.

In a list's edit mode, typing the name of the episode into the add box did not find it.

Pasting the code tt0583484 into the add box and hitting enter brought up the title of the episode, which I could then add.

I always found the search function within Edit mode to be more limited than searching from the top of a title page. This is even more limited than before, but it is still possible to add an episode to a title list.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Can I no longer put single episodes of TV show on my lists?.

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This has been very helpful. Thank you. 

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Changes to Lists.

The list function recently changed, and it is definitely for the worst. The layout is hideous and counterintuitive, and you've made it significantly harder to move change the list order. Furthermore, adding items to the list has been changed in such a way that makes it more inconvenient. I spend a lot of time using the list function on your site, but these new changes make me want to stop using it. I don't know why you did it, but it's really frustrating and if you insist on keeping it the way it is (which you really, really shouldn't), I would at least like to know why.

Employee

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Thanks for the feedback.  This change is part of a large number of updates going live at the moment.  For an explanation, please see https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0 

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled IMDb rating order.

Yeah, you've finally done it. The advanced title search used to give us the perfect IMDb rating order. But, some time ago, you've change it, and the movies with the same rating number begun to appear in popularity order. At least on the personal lists we still had the perfect IMDb rating order. But now you've change the lists too, and like the advanced title search, now the movies with the same rating number are appearing in popularity order instead of IMDb rating order. And that sucks, cause there is a great difference between a 6.9 movie wich is closer to 7.0 and one which is closer to 6.8. I can't believe that you simply lost the knowledge on how to bring us a perfect IMDb rating order. My lists and my searches will now go all to Letterboxd, a much smaller site, but one that can do the basic: give us movies with a accurate rating order.

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled List and Ratings Sorting System stripped.

Previously, when viewing your ratings or lists you would be able to organize titles by year, name, recently rated, ect., as well as apply filters such as, "Only feature films", but now the system has been stripped back and very minimal for no apparent reason. You are no longer able to view titles in a compact order, which now makes it challenging for me to look through titles because i have so many rated. I would like it to go back to the way it was before the seemingly unnecessary changes.

Employee

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Please see the "Refine" option at the top of each list.  For example:



Other searches, filters, sorts and views for lists and ratings are available via advanced title search at http://www.imdb.com/search/title

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4 y ago

Both on my own list, and while reading the lists of others, there were two modes I used:
*Alphabetical order.
*Order by birth date.

Now I can't use either one, and can no longer make sense of lists. 

Employee

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Thanks for the feedback.  You can still sort in this order using advanced name search at http://www.imdb.com/search/name -- see the "Lists" section towards the bottom of the page; other filter and sort options are available too (and results can be bookmarked). 

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Sorting the specific user's list and sorting your own name search--are two VERY different options.

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4 y ago

The list pages were fine the way they were before.  Also, there was no reason for you to shut down the character lists.

Employee

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The character feature has been retired so it was not possible to retain character lists, sorry.  Please see https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/changes-to-imdb-characters

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4 y ago

We're probably all just complaining about nothing anyway. Lists will be going the way of the message boards as soon as Amazon/IMDb decides that they don't add enough monetary value to the site. I'm actually still surprised that they made such sweeping changes to the list system when deletion has always seemed more likely.

I back my list up weekly because I genuinely expect it to disappear.

One thing nobody seems to be bringing up is this:
Tech constraints on the new system prohibit us from continuing to support drag-and-drop from the Edit view...
This is just false. If you wanted to support it, you could. There is no magical technical constraint that suddenly makes the old Javascript sorting system unworkable. I've done everything from developing websites for large pharmaceutical companies to professional x86 assembly programming. I know that this is nonsense.

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4 y ago

By the way, the yellow bar on the right top side "Rated X of Y titles" is gone too now or was it just moved somewhere else?

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It appears to be gone; I couldn't find it elsewhere as well. Too bad; I loved looking at other people's lists and comparing how many movies I have watched from that list.

Champion

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I used it to make sure I'd recorded my ratings each week (titles added to a personal list). So now I have to scan the list myself, and without a truly compact view, it's also harder to spot which title I forgot to rate. 

Employee

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You use the "Refine" option on every list to display only the titles you have not rated.  It is in the "You and This List" menu:

Employee

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Also for compact view, there's a similar view available on advanced title search at http://www.imdb.com/search/title and you can filter results there by any (and multiple) lists:



ATS results can also be bookmarked.  For example, here's a public list of mine, sorted by the number of user votes -> http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&lists=ls066993558&sort=num_votes,desc&view=si...

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Thanks for taking the time to post this reply. Perhaps it does not really matter for you, but I would like to give my personal feedback as regards to the recent changes, more specifically to the removal of compact view from List Pages. You described above a different way to have access to the compact view, but this added unnecessary complexity for a feature that has been used for years. Back on my school days I do remember a basic rule on Computer Interface that is "Avoid as much as possible any impact to the user experience" and you disrespected that. If you were just adding new features, that would be great, but what you are doing here is removing or changing the way users have access to features they like on the website. As most users I"ll be missing A LOT the compact view feature as it was used to be.

Champion

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@Col:
Thanks for pointing out the Refine option, that'll do the trick.

As for the Advanced Search: I use it a lot, but it is cumbersome:
  • too much to scroll past
  • wish you'd use drop-down lists for those boxes of options and checkboxed options, and 
  • maybe use 2 columns to list the various possible criteria.
The Compact output from ATS would be better if single-spaced. BTW, the link to add to Watchlist is excellent.

Will we ever get some options to control And vs Or? For instance, I could easily check 3 of my lists for missing ratings if I had an Or option when selecting my Include lists. (I know, this would just lead to more requests for such things.) Even if we had to alter the search URL by hand to insert the Or symbol (or a Not symbol), that would be superb. 

Champion

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Col - I just tried looking at someone else's list. Without Compact mode, it is a LOT of work to scroll through the entries. What used to be 1 line per title is now 12 lines. And the only way for me to use ATS's compact mode is to copy their list into a list of my own, no? I doubt I'll do that very often. Especially since I can't scan the list quickly enough to see if it interests me. (Catch-22: absence of compact view prevents me from knowing if I want to exert the effort to convert it to compact view.)

Champion

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bderoes,

I also miss the compact view available on the list page.

If you know the list ID for a title list, replace the list ID in this search to see this title list in the compact view:
Highest Rated Titles In Your "All 151 Oscar-Qualifying Documentaries for 2013" List
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?lists=ls052183003&sort=user_rating,desc&view=simple

If you know the list ID for a people list, replace the list ID in this search to see this people list in the compact view:
Most Popular People In List "ls053280505"
http://www.imdb.com/search/name?lists=ls053280505&view=simple

I fully agree this is less convenient than having the compact view available on the list page.

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Dan Dassow,

Your suggestion is superb!

I find that it also works to have the list= last, as in
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&view=simple&lists=ls052183003

Now if someone knew enough javascript to take this
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&view=simple&lists=

and tack on the list id when we're sitting at 
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls052183003/

to create the 1st url, THEN we'd have something worth bookmarking.
I'm inspired by the one-liner
javascript:location.href='http://web.archive.org/save/'+location.href
which is a 1-line script you can bookmark to submit a page you're on to the Wayback Machine for archiving.

Champion

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Thanks, bderoes! Clever and very useful.
I'm inspired by the one-liner
javascript:location.href='http://web.archive.org/save/'+location.href
which is a 1-line script you can bookmark to submit a page you're on to the Wayback Machine for archiving.

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Interesting.

Champion

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Dan Dassow

Just to be clear, I found that javascript at the Wayback site (actually, they referred us to another site which had that cataloged.) 

Maybe someone who follows this discussion will know how to use javascript to extract the list id from http://www.imdb.com/list/ls052183003/
so the new script would look something like
javascript:location.href='http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&view=simple&lists='+listIDextraction

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I am not a huge fan of this change-up. You took away the character category for building a list. Why? I've enjoyed seeing how many people viewed my lists, but thats been taken away. Why? And reordering my lists has become much more complicated by taking away the ability to drag and drop. Why? Please give an explanation to why you did all this? I've been making lists for about 4 years and have over 800 lists on my page. I consider this a hobby, or a way to pass time. I'd suggest going back to the old way, or add those to make this new update better. 

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4 y ago

This is horrendous.

The drag and drop function was incredibly important to how I use the lists because I actually like to be able to reorder them. Even if the numbers function worked properly (which in my experience, it never does - it only seems to register that you've typed a number in maybe 1/10 of the time), you'd still have to keep track of how many items you'd placed higher up or moved lower down and add/subtract accordingly in your head when moving more than one item at once.

Oh, and as well as the numbers never registering for me, the entire system seems bugged for me now because I'm unable to add new items to lists. I can type words into the search bar and it opens a search box with no results.

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Oh, and as well as the numbers never registering for me, the entire system seems bugged for me now because I'm unable to add new items to lists. I can type words into the search bar and it opens a search box with no results.
This sounds like there might be a browser plug-in interfering with the page display (for example, a rogue ad blocker).  Please can you try the steps on https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/general-information/why-is-imdb-displaying-differently-on-my-brow... and let us know.

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Hi, I've realised that the problem is that I was searching for an episode of a TV show rather than a movie or TV series. It now appears to be impossible to add individual episodes of a show to a list because they don't seem to appear in searches. Is this correct or is it just a problem at my end?

Champion

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You can still add them. For now, you have to look them up first in a standard search, and paste the title id (ex: tt0019726, visible in url of a title page) in the Add Title search box. You might have to hit enter to get it search for the title.

Hopefully they'll fix the Add Title to find TV episodes and Short films.

Champion

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Hi Chris Dynamo,

FYI: Col is not short for Colonel, but for Colin. I made the same mistake a few years ago when IMDb was founded.

bderoes
Hopefully they'll fix the Add Title to find TV episodes and Short films.
I fully agree.

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Attn: Dan Dassow and ACT_1. True. Well, Chris Dynamo is probably being facetious, I'm afraid.

Champion

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My humor detection algorithm appears to be malfunctioning. ;-)

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4 y ago

I was in the middle of creating a long list when this change happened overnight.  Adding some titles is easier but with others is much harder.  If you go to add a film and start typing it gives you several choices, but unlike the previous search method it shows you a limited number, and I can't find a way of making the choice wider.  This particularly hinders when adding films with short titles.  First problem was with the film Z (1969), which didn't come up in the options offered.  Also Daniel (1983) didn't appear.  The 1938 version of Holiday didn't show up, but did when I typed in the alternate title of Unconventional Linda (though it showed as Holiday!) 
I'm pretty good with alternate titles but the way this works has stumped me on a few.
Also you don't see the films being added unless you go back into the list again.  So if you've picked the wrong film and got another with the same title it is much more laborious than before in removing and replacing it.
For foreign films you need to guess the title that will come up, e.g. French or an English translation.  I typed in Gueule d'Amour and despite being a unique title it didn't come up.  

Luckily you've not changed the version on my iPhone (yet, and please don't!) where the search feature is much better.
Frankly not the sort of "improvement" I'd like to see IMDb doing.

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If you can't find the film you want, add the film to your watchlist and then you use the move to option to move it to the list you want it in.  To see the films added in you have to go right to the end of the list to see it added in. 

Champion

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If you're on the title page, instead of adding to Watchlist, just hold over that button until your lists show, and add it directly to your List.

Another way to see it is added to your list is to Sort your list in Reverse list order, whether you're in Edit mode or regular view mode.

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4 y ago

My points about the extremely important necessity of an accurate IMDb rating order, which is now gone from the personal lists:
1. Most people don't know that the results are not accurate and will rely on them, oblivious to the fact that all the movies with the same rating number will appear in POPULARITY order. You should at least put a warning like "the IMDb rating results are not completely accurate anymore"
2. When I search for movies with the same rating number in IMDb rating order (for example, the best movies with 6.9), I will simply get a result in POPULARITY order. Do you think it is ok that I look for results in one given order and get results in an entirely different order? And again, most people don't know that they will receive a result that is wrong.
3. Can you imagine if the search for movies in alphabetical order would put all the movies beggining with A in popularity order instead of an accurate alphabetical order? Well, it is the same thing. Just as wrong.
4. I simply can't believe that you guys just LOST the software that used to give a perfectly accurate rating order in IMDb good old days, which is definitely gone. 

(sorry for my english)

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4 y ago

Further to my comments above I've just found that short films don't seem to appear when you look to add them now!

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Only tried one Short so far. Typing
Have You Got Any Castles? 
doesn't show that title, but
tt0030215
did find the correct title.

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4 y ago

1. Initially, the Your Lists page was removed and essentially merged with the user profile page. Why was this almost immediately reversed and are its days still numbered?

2. The refine menu for lists now includes an On TV option. Why doesn't the Watchlist, where it would be a lot more useful, have this? At the moment those listings aren't accurate and there doesn't seem to be a way to change your TV service provider.

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4 y ago

Is there a way to somehow store/save the lists that I have created? I would like to make a backup in case they accidentally get deleted due to the recent problems. I can only use the export method but that is not really useful as my lists contain directors and comments.

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The Rise and Fall of the User-List.

As an avid list-creator, of seven years of intensive work, with the sole purpose of trying to create relevant lists that not only promote the films themselves but also the IMDb experience, the latest list of ongoing changes to user-lists is a real kick in the teeth. However, on a more positive note; time that would have normally been spent on IMDb can now be used for more practical purposes.

Thanks for that.

Yours sincerely
Dr-Faustus

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Dr-Faustus, that's kind of how I responded to the closure of the IMDb message boards, in that I started focusing more on contributing, but sadly a lot of those contributions were to the swiki sections of the site, so I partially wasted my time. The worst thing about the IMDb staff is their reluctance to provide forewarning. One minute, the CEO will claim, "O, that aspect of the site will not be affected", and then months later, "We are proud to announce that we have made this simpler." And if you try to inquire ahead of their plans (as I've done for a few of the recent changes [title FAQ pages and ratings pages]), they act like they do not know unless they are ready to come clean.