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Wed, Dec 6, 2017 7:51 PM

Updates to List Pages

Today (Dec 6) we are announcing an update to the List pages on the IMDb desktop experience. This update is part of the broader site changes announced recently (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0). After in-depth discussion and examination, we have decided to simplify the features and functionality for lists. We have merged “compact view” and list editing into a single Edit experience. In that one view, you can now modify your text and add, copy, delete and move items. We have also pulled List actions (edit, export, settings) together into a 1-click menu (the 3 vertical dots on the top right of the page). You will now also find two new options in the Refine menu: ‘In Theaters’ and ‘Keywords.’  Tech constraints on the new system prohibit us from continuing to support drag-and-drop from the Edit view; we appreciate your understanding. For more information about Lists, see the IMDb Help Center.

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432 Points

4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled They changed the way lists are made.

They changed the way lists are made. I put all of my lists in alphabetical order, but now I can't do that. I can't figure out a way to move list items around and they got rid of viewing the list in alphabetical order. Why would they do that?

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432 Points

Okay, they just added back the ability to view it in alphabetical order. But still, I would like to be able to move list items around effortlessly. Not have to type in a number. One of my lists is 1,000+ entries long and I'm not even done making it. I can't go back and forth to see which number a new entry would be, that takes five years, when it uses to take 4 seconds. At the very least I GUESS I could ask people in the list description to view the list in alphabetical, but I would much rather have it already be in that order thanks to me.

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When you view a list in alpha order, they provide numbers. That's new and possibly helpful.

Then again, if you're trying to be old-school with the alphabetizing, and ignore the leading A and The, you will just need to page through your list in Edit mode to find the homes for the new additions.

If we can't have drag and drop back, then I think it would be helpful if hitting <Enter> while in the Position box would trigger a Save Reordered List, rather than having to scroll up to the top where that link is. And this would be just like the Advanced Search, where <Enter> within a free response box triggers the Search to commence.

(I actually alphabetized a 50-entry list before posting this, and found the alpha-order copy I had tiled in a second window was too cumbersome to scroll through, because it doesn't have compact mode!!!)

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Jack, I found that frustrating too that we could no longer click and drag, but instead had to type the numbers. More frustrating is now I can't move item around at all. I can add movies to a list, but it automatically goes to the end and can't be rearranged. Are you still able to make such modifications by typing the number?

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I just Edited my list of 1781 titles, and moved the last entry to position 1681. HOWEVER, it did NOTHING if I left the comma in the number. It ONLY moved when I deleted the comma.

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Yeah, I eventually figured this out on my own, but thanks for the reply. It just seems intuitive to type edit the number in the format they had. I was editing a long list myself and I was in the 900s when the click-and-drag format left, so initially I did the number thing when I didn't have to worry about a comma. It was once I surpassed 1000 that things became problematic.

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4 y ago

Any chance we can edit the fields that are exported to Excel?  I really appreciated being able to sort by Director and by Release Date, but those fields no longer appear in the export.

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I definitely used both those fields in Excel, especially the full Release Date, not just the Year.

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Me too.

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Those fields are NOT of interest to me but my rating is. Impossible to tell from exported lists what titles I've rated or not rated.

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540 Points

4 y ago

The drag-and-drop system worked perfectly and very easily but now it's gone because of tech constraints. Why was there ever a need to change the lists in the first place? There was nothing wrong with the way the lists worked before. And "simplifying" the lists created problems where there were none before now. You also forgot to mention about getting rid of the "views" feature on the lists.

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I can't believe they drastically changed the lists feature. That was my favorite thing on the site. They are horrible now. The drag and drop feature was so easy to use. Why would I want manually type in numbers. So disappointed with this change.

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled change to "enter" (CR) in LIsts.

Under today's change, the invisible character of "enter" or Carriage Return is handled differently than before in both the List's description and descriptions added to titles.

On this list
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls020853190/
the URLs used to start on their own line, both in the List description and the title descriptions.

Also, in the List description, the green text each used to start on their own line too.

When I try to fix it by introducing another "enter", I get double spacing instead of single, as you can see on this list:
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls025185363/

In addition to preventing me from defining where a line begins and having single-spaced separate lines, this has made the edit mode non-WYSIWIG.

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540 Points

4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The Views on my lists are Gone.

I really Liked that Feature,  but ever since a recent update to the site, that wonderful amazing feature is completely gone. Another Issue is that I can not edit properly anymore, I am no longer able to move a movie or tv show up or down when editing a list. I do not like the new setup for the lists. It's very annoying to use. The old setup was easier to use and more likable to use. 

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4 y ago

I don't know what the typical use case for the list feature actually is.

All I have is a list designed to be read by other people and where my comments are an integral part (so I never use compact mode or any of that stuff). My list is/was popular by IMDb standards (but I suppose nobody will know that now the view counter has gone!).

Without being able to validate myself with e-popularity on imdb.com, what can I do with my life? Drugs? Is that what you want, IMDb?

Seriously, though, it does seem to me that IMDb gains more than I do out of my use of the site. I've been toying with the idea of self-hosting my list ever since the message board fiasco and I think this is a good time to get off my butt and do it.

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4 y ago

Very nice to be able to sort the list in Edit mode, so I can edit the latest add from a Title page without going 5 pages down.

These may be bugs in Edit mode:

1) after selecting some titles, then click Copy To, Select a List. I cannot find an option to create a new list.

2) the browser tab only says IMDb, not 'list name' - IMDb. Since Edit mode is where I can view the most compact list, I expect to be there a lot, and have multiple tabs open, the list name can be helpful.

3) (this looks deliberate) the big DONE button no longer saves all open boxes. It asks if you want to discard your changes.

4) Although you can add a title from any page, if you aren't on the last page, you don't see the added title. If this is deliberate, then we need a LAST PAGE link in Edit Mode. (I tried sorting by date added, most recent first. Adding a title to that page didn't display the new addition, because it would have to be the new first title.)

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416 Points

4 y ago

Export not longer sends Your Rating data!

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I've confirmed that exporting a title list no longer provides "You rated" data. These are the data fields exported.
  • Position
  • Const
  • Created
  • Modified
  • Description
  • Title
  • Title Type
  • IMDb Rating
  • Runtime (mins)
  • Year
  • Genres
  • Num Votes
For reference, these are the data fields exported from my "Your Ratings" list. Bolded and underlined fields are not currently exported for a title list.
  • position
  • const
  • created
  • modified
  • description
  • Title
  • Title type
  • Directors
  • You rated
  • IMDb Rating
  • Runtime (mins)
  • Year
  • Genres
  • Num. Votes
  • Release Date (month/day/year)
  • URL
It would seem reasonable that exporting a title list would include the same data fields as an export of a ratings page.

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(Dan posted while I was composing this. Mine adds a bit info, so I won't remove it.)

Interesting: On the Your Ratings page, the Export function is part of the 3-vertical-dot menu button. And the file includes our ratings and all other columns we got 2 days ago.

But when Exporting a custom list, indeed the following 4 column are missing:
Director
Your Rating
Release Date
URL

Another difference: they now capitalize all the column headings.
And under title type, it says
 "movie" instead of  Feature Film
  "short" instead of  Short Film
  "video" instead of Video 
  "tvMovie" instead of  TV Movie
I pulled both exports just now, not comparing today with 2 days ago.

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220 Points

Another change is that documentaries are now shown as "movie" in column Title Type and not as "Documentary" as before.

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220 Points

When using export function you get the original Title and not the AKA title for your specific country that you have chosen in the main setup. Mening that the title name in listing function and export is not the same. This needs to be fixt as all other things listed by user bderoes above.

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I miss the single line compact view so much I decided to just export my data & use/manage my own database from now on. Thus avoiding any future downgrades being forced upon me. That's when I noticed that my ratings (Your Rating) aren't exported in the CSV file!?!?

I'm just hoping this is an oversight by the developers & not a conscious decision by management to try & keep people locked in to this service that's becoming less useful with every update. I'm afraid if I haven't got access to data I've input, that's what it's starting to look like.

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I don't think IMDb has acknowledged our reports of missing columns from the new List Export.

You can still retrieve your ratings on spreadsheet, though, because that Export has not changed.

Then learn to use the Excel (and Open Office) vlookup() function to merge them together, preferably with the title id not the title itself as some movies reuse titles,  

OR, procrastinate trying to merge the data, and hope IMDb restores the List Export to include your rating.

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FYI: You may need to sort the ratings spreadsheet by title ID.  Excel's vlookup() function requires that the index key for the source list is in numeric or alphabetic order.

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Actually, not. There's a 4th parameter, and when set to 0 (false), it finds the target in an unordered list. Effective in both Excel and Open Office.

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426 Points

4 y ago

I would very much appreciate it if The Layout only showed my score and not the overall score like before, it keeps the illusion that my 4 separate accounts actually affect something. 

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490 Points

4 y ago

The drag-drop was the nicest list feature; an absolute necessity as it saved a lot of time.
Also, please fix the problem with the "enter" being not recognised, as my lists look pretty much ruined now. Thank you.

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396 Points

4 y ago

Some of these changes are really poor. The drag-drop is gone and was incredibly handy, views are gone and it's still not possible to move an item from page 3 to page 1 easily within the same list. Also still need a refine function for ratings, the only workaround is to advanced search films you've seen. Ratings could do with more sort options.

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How was it easy to move a title from page 3 to page 1 before? Wouldn't you have to go to the title's page 3 location and enter a new location number? You can do that now.

Frankly, the addition of sorting ability WITHIN Edit mode gives more speed for editing items currently at the end of a long list, since you can just reverse the order of the list instead of slogging to the last page, one page at a time.

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I said it's still not a feature to easily move something from page 3 to 1

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Well, it seems better to me. On the prior system, when I put in the new location number, sometimes it would go and sometimes not. Today the few I've done have gone correctly.

How would you design the system to make it easy? 

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Well, it seems better to me. On the prior system, when I put in the new location number, sometimes it would go and sometimes not. Today the few I've done have gone correctly. 
It also seems to register a change immediately (no lagging). At least that aspect is improved. Just imagine the endless frustration if they left the previous "sometimes the change will register and sometimes not" with drag-and-drop removed.

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Yeah the number changing was temperamental before.

"How would you design the system to make it easy?"

Endless scrolling in edit mode only so I can load my whole list and then drag and drop from/to anywhere, or a drag and drop in the older compact style edit mode with bare minimum info that isn't likely to freeze.

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4 y ago

Can't reorder items on a list. Can't use simple formatting on a list. :(

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You can reorder using the numbers. We 'only' lost drag/drop.

I suspect the formatting of descriptions is a bug that'll be fixed, since they replied to an early poster that they were looking into it.

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The numbers are a dreadful means of reordering a list. If you want to reorder more than one item at once, then you need to calculate how the items above will affect its positioning. And that's when the numbers system even registers, which, for me, is practically never.

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I _think_ the number reordering is reliable now. I've only done a few, but none have balked, while I did some earlier this week that wouldn't go until the nth try.

And yes, you either need to start with the bottom-most move first and work your way up, or Save a few changes at a time. I too used drag/drop for close moves because of that.

On the plus side, I love having the title link active in edit mode. Many a time I've added a title and needed to look at that title while still editing.

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I know the numbers work. But if you have a list that is more than 15 options it's quite time-consuming.

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4 y ago

The only thing I wanted improving in terms of list management was making it easier to move, for example, item 406 to position 1102. And you couldn't even do that correctly. We sacrificed drag and drop in order to gain... what, exactly? My list of over 1300 items still doesn't feel any easier to reorder (and reordering is an essential part of my whole project).

Sure, the new interface looks better. That's almost objectively true. It massively increases the width of the comment space, which is great in my case. There are some good and overdue changes here but it's hard to get excited when we've lost more than we've gained. 

I'm probably unique in that the removal of the view counter still bothers me more than anything else. Restore that and I can just about accept the rest. I'm in friendly competition with other people with similar lists and the view counter thing has wrecked all the fun.

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I agree that the view counter had value. Every once in a while I thought it was time to dump a certain list, but found it was still being accessed. Now I'm blind on that.

Under the prior version, I found reordering by number very unreliable. The few tries I made today were spot on, vast improvements over the sometimes it goes, sometimes not of old.

I just moved an item from 213 to 51 and it did the right thing. What are you doing that gets bad results?

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After further experimentation, I have to agree that I'm finding the results of long-distance movement more reliable and predictable than before. I still think the loss of drag and drop is an annoyance for short-distance reorganisation - for some people, this might be massive - but moving a few items up and down was never where list management truly sucked.

Now I just want my damn view counter back!

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can I no longer put single episodes of TV show on my lists?.

I used to be able to put a single episode of a TV show on a list rather than the whole series, but what seems to be an update, no longer allows me to do this. Am I missing something?

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can I no longer put single episodes of TV show on my lists?.

Bert,

It appears that the title search for episodes no longer works for title polls.

I was able to add episodes to a title list by using the title ID of the episode.

For example:
Test: Can One Still Enter Episode Titles
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls027355779/

Regardless, the search function does not currently recognize:
  • Episode Titles
  • The title ID embedded in a link
Note: I am a long time user of IMDb, not a staff member.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Can I no longer put single episodes of TV show on my lists?.

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I only started doing lists this year, but one list relied on the ability to add episode titles. It's a disappointment and handicap to me now that that ability is gone. 

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it's not gone. my how-to post appears RIGHT under this at the moment. Here's a copy/paste of the gist:

On the title page of an episode, the + icon still brings up my lists, from which I could add the title.

Pasting the code tt0583484 into the add box and hitting enter brought up the title of the episode, which I could then add.

I agree that searching in Edit mode doesn't work at the moment.