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PS. Ultra-violent Bloody Directors

What is on the list page. https://www.imdb.com/list/ls026381332/
“Who is the worst (I.E. goriest) of these modern masters of film (without speciallizing in the horror genre)? It is too easy in horror film to go for the gore and ultra-violence. I mean they could have made a few horror films, but they were manly known for films of an another genre and still piled on the violence and gore. “
What is not on the list page is that I had originally thought of this as a showdown between Peckinpah and Tarantino. But I decided to leave it open for you and others to suggest other directors that might fit the bill as long as they don’t specialize solely in horror.
I thinking of adding these guys but haven’t made up my mind on it.
- John Carpenter
- Mel Gibson
- Roland Emmerich ( “The Patriot” has a lot of blood flowing.)
- Sergio Leone (not much blood but a lot of violence).
- Sam Raimi ( too many horror films in his resume).
- Martin Scorsese but I still love his films when he is not violent.
- Ridley Scott
- Steven Spielberg - sorry, but the blood flowing in “Ready Player One”, “ Saving Private Ryan”, and “Schindler’s List” earned him concideration for this list.
- George Miller - the Mad Max films and “The Witches Of Eastwick”

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Spielberg doesn't qualify, 3 movies out of 50 don't make him a gory director. In fact, you can't base your qualification on filmographies that have less than 5 movies with ultra-violence, except for Mel Gibson because it's not about the number in his case, but the ratio.
In fact, we also have to define ultra-violence, is it a matter of quantity of hemoglobin or is it something about the way violence is portrayed. Should it be disturbing or not?

FYC: Abel Ferrara, definitely.

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First off, the names in op are names I’m considering after Peckinpah and Tarantino. I’m kind of waiting if others agree on some or not.we agree on Gibson but not Spielberg who I can add two more graphic films to his list but wouldn’t affect the ratio: “amstrad” ( the revolt and thrown the slaves off the ship to drown while chained), and “Jaws” ( the water washed the blood away).
As for defining ultra- violent, it is a number of factors. Definitely disturbing violence with blood and gore is a plus. But extremely gory acts and frequent violent acts (preferably with blood). (as I said, Leone had frequent violent acts but very little blood and gore except in “Once Upon A Time In America” - the hit in the cotton mill.) also extremely disturbing violent ante- social acts.
I’m sure that Brian DePalma wanted to rip off Hitchcock’s “Vertigo” without resorting to gore, he could have easily done it in “Body Double” without using the power drill to murder the woman.

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For me the key word is "ultra", which means a tendency to get a little over-the-top, QT and Peckinpah definitely have this in their cinematic ADN. "Jaws" is bloody and gory at the end because Spielberg was smart enough to figure that it was scarier and more disturbing to suggest the presence of the shark and see the aftermaths or the killings from a distance than going all bloody about it, once we saw the shark, there was a need for a bloody climax.

I think Spielberg is capable of violence, of bloody violence, but he manages to channel it and never portray it in an over-the-top way, even in historical movies ("Amistad" or "Schindler's List") violence had a point, it's meant as ultra-real.

I see your point with Leone but then you have "bloody" in the title.

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True. But I often include bloody severed body parts as gore too even though it isn’t exactly the text book definition of gore. In Jaws, body parts were shown on the beach at the beginning of the film, and the severed leg of the teenager the shark bites in half in the tide pool. And the blood in the chum?

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You're preaching to a choir with "Jaws", I'm among the ones who call this film a 'horror' movie. But we're talking of Spielberg, his work in the 70's had the 'New Hollywood' style, it's like "American Graffiti' for George Lucas... but once Spielberg made 'Indiana Jones', he consolidated his status as a family-friendly blockbuster director with serious dramas made here and there... he's one of the most prolific director of all time, but the "ultra-violence" isn't the aspect he's most associated with.

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All are added. I did overlook an obvious candidate David Fincher - “Fight Club” , “Se7en”, “The Game”, “Zodiac”, and the English version of “The Girl With The Dragon Tatoo”.

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Tarantino and Scorsese are the only directors I accompany, the only movie I've seen made by Brian de Palma is Scarface, the other directors on the list I've never seen movies.

Then between Tarantino and Scorsese, I would choose Tarantino.
I mean, Scorsese also has a certain amount of violence and bloody dose but not at the bloodthirsty level as Tarantino.

Inglourious Basterds
Django Unchained
The Hateful Eight
Pulp Fiction
Kill Bill
Reservoir Dogs

All of them had this bloodthirsty level... this is he style.
If you a good bloodthirsty scene you will definitely appreciate Tarantino movies.

But yeah, Scorsese and his certain amount of violence it's very good. The style of violence of the both is a little different, for me:

Scorsese is more a type of physical violence.
Tarantino is more a type of violent scenes with a bloody dose.


By the way, great idea. 

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What? You never seen DePalma’s early work like “Carrie”, “Scarface”, “Dressed To Kill”, the baseball bat scene in “The Untouchables”, “ Body Double”? All are very bloody.

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I watched "Scarface", I mention that 

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Ooops, me bad.

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7 years ago

A few suggestions: 
Takashi Miike
Eli Roth 
David Cronenberg
Abel Ferrara

By the way, current description makes me think a lot whether you're suggesting that some directors just have a lot of violence in their movies with neutral connotation, or condemning them for using violence, which most of these people do with rather precise artistic points.