Live Poll: Court Martialed

@riverotter​ Done. Thank you.

@urbanemovies​ Agreed but those movies while technically court martials are the type of movies most people would associate with court martials. I think it would be too technical to eliminate certain titles to the detriment of the poll itself.  

@themoviesmith​

FYI, I didn't think you could court-martial soldiers in other nations' armed forces, but I maybe wrong, so 'Judgment at Nuremberg' likely was a court-martial. United States v. The Amistad involved multiple cases, all in federal or state courts, none in military courts, as far as I know. Men in Honor was an administrative hearing to return a diver to active duty after an injury and amputation surgery. 

I don't have a problem with you broadening the scope, I have problem with doing it and not saying so.  Essentially, saying your poll is about one thing when in reality it not exactly about that is a kind of bait-n-switch. I won't be the only one to notice and it will taint the whole answer pool.

It is an easy solve with an extra term to cover the enlarged scope "court-martials and other military courtroom hearings" or use another broader term like "military justice" or one better to your liking.

If you are going to broaden the scope like that, then you should include the accident investigation hearing in 'Top Gun' and Cassius Clay's conviction in 1967 for refusing to report for induction into the United States military forces during the Vietnam War in 'Muhammad Ali's Greatest Fight'.

@urbanemovies​ Ok it makes sense. I've included the other military courtroom hearings like you suggested. I've also included Top Gun and the Muhamad Ali trail pic.

Thank you.

Not to ruin anybody's day and hopefully I can be helpful, but I must point out that the plural of "court martial" is "courts martial", since it an unusual case of the noun preceding the adjective, much like the terms "judge advocate general", "attorney general", "surgeon general", "secretary general", "president elect", "president emeritus" and "president pro tempore". On the other hand, I don't see a problem with the verbs "court-martialing" and "court-martialed", but these word refer to the act of hauling or having hauled somebody before a court martial, or ordering or having ordered somebody to appear as a defendant at a court martial.

(Perhaps rather, succeeding or having succeeded at causing somebody to be found guilty in a court martial.)

@jeorj_euler​ I am sure this happens, but I can't say I recall it all that often. What do you do when two dictionaries disagree, does it mean there is some debate or that both usages are proper?

@themoviesmith​ I think that the phrasing is a huge improvement, as far the military case net being cast as broad as possible. Just to be clear, I still think the real-life Amistad and Ali's Greatest Fight fell into the purview of the civil courts, but I get your point and see where you are trying to draw the line. There is some benefit to simplifying things for poll takers.

Well, the idea is to try to prevent the dictionary from being corrupted, as sometimes it becomes, but it looks like two of them (famous ones at that) already have. (Just to note a more serious example of corruption is the way "oligarch" has been redefined in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

I too was under the impression that the events transpiring in Amistad involved a civil court dealing with maritime admiralty law, but it case was rather mucked up by the fact that there appeared to be a prosecuting attorney in addition to separate litigants seeking to lay claim to the captives, as well as the lawyers trying to prove that nobody had a legal claim to the captives. That's like four parties, and there may have been some amicus curiae briefs involved. I probably ought to see it again, just to make sure I retain or achieve a detailed understanding of the situation.

Whenever a civilian is a defendant in a military tribunal, which might perhaps be due to martial law, I don't recall ever hearing such a type of case referred to as a court martial. To my understanding, in the contemporary context at least, courts martial are for trying accused military personnel who have not yet been released from their contracts (or subordination per impressment) with the military organization to which they belong, or from the civilian (or royal) executive commanding them.

@jeorj_euler​ I agree, the first thing I noticed was that a couple of the cases didn't fit scope. The Amistad case had issues of mutiny, ship salvage rights, illegal slave training, property rights regarding the cargo (slaves), slavery and so on that all had to be sorted out and started in CT state court and was appealed so much it eventually ended before the U.S. Supreme Court.

If you watched this movie about editing and compiling the first dictionary, I think you will appreciate how hard it is, as well as, what a moving target it is as a "living" document.

I find the part when people misuse words so much, that they actually change the meaning, which actually defeats the purpose of having a definition in the first place amusing.

I saw The Professor and the Madman. Quite a character study.

@urbanemovies​ Titles removed. Thanks

@jeorj_euler​ Thanks for the help, but I don't see anywhere in the poll description that would require a plural for of court martial.

Thanks

@themoviesmith​, Thanks, I think there are plenty of better options to be listed and can be easily replaced. I think there are a lot of titles you have not listed that involve some type of legal military proceedings. You should try a couple keyword variations that combine synonyms for military with types of legal terms. I wouldn't be surprised, if you found dozens of notable movies, like in Top Gun or better that feature scenes or were a major plot point in the movie.

@urbanemovies​ I did a quick search but I don't know many of those movies had a court trial. Can't say I've watched most of them. I did add K-19 because I did see that it it and remember a trial in that film.

@themoviesmith​ The quickest way to check is the Wikipedia plot summaries. I checked them and all feature military trials of some kind, plus three are very well-voted, and the other two least voted options are older, notable and well-rated. I was thinking K-19 too. I remember him being stripped of his command and the crises events that preceded it, but couldn't remember the trial. 

@urbanemovies​ I rounded out the list with a few titles from using their wikipedia synopsis like you suggested. 

Thank you

@themoviesmith

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Wow, that came out with even more court-martial movie options than I expected.

• I have a final suggested edit, that court martial not be capitalized in the introductory sentence, if you want to emphasis it, bold it.

  A court martial is a military court or trial conducted by an armed service to try its members that are accused of a crime.

• Also, obviously, if you find more options between now and whenever your poll goes live, they likely will replace the least likely to be voted on options (these pictured five). Fifty IMDb votes is lot for a 1920s or early 1930s film, but I wonder if these five spots (with no big name stars) are worthy of committing to as answer options that are likely to get no votes or only a handful of votes. Just a thought, it could better to save the five spots to update your poll as a new court-martial film debuts in the future or if you somehow missed a title. Still, you have covered yourself with the "any other film not listed" clause and there is some comfort in being done with poll and using all the slots.

@urbanemovies​ You're right, it shouldn't be capitalized, but I don't think it requires to be bolded either so I'l leave it like that.

Thank you.

@themoviesmith​ Looks good, it is a pretty comprehensive list. Thanks for making the edits.

@urbanemovies​ I added your suggestions. Thank you.

@mariojacobs​ Added. Thank you.

@themoviesmith​ 

Admiral Kirk Becomes Captain Kirk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJl0-_BM1FI&ab_channel=April5%2C2063

@themoviesmith​ & @mariojacobs 

Nice add!

@mariojacobs Added Star Trek IV. Thanks.

@urbanemovies​ I've gone through the list of feature films and made some changes. I think I got them all but I might have missed something because some mention court martial but it appears to not be a scene in the movie just an expository statement in the synopsis. 

@themoviesmith​ ???

Added...Valkyrie. I had skipped Three Kings because there is only mention of a court martial and it isn't shown in the movie ( at least from what I had put together on wikipedia). I'm not going to Taxi to the Dark Side.  I don't think I want to bump any of the other titles on the list for it. That's why there's a catch all as the last option. It's impossible to include every single movie that would fir the criteria.

Thank you

@themoviesmith​ I think that is the smart move here.

@Peter_pbn​ Thanks!

@riverotter​ I just watched it the other day on TCM. Great Movie! The movie is all about the court martial, so it is the ideal answer choice here.

@urbanemovies​ any time Strode was on screen, he owned it. It's like my eyes had to be drawn to him.

His finest performance and a very relevant movie for Jim Crow days.