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Tuesday, March 21st, 2023 9:40 AM

Live Poll: 2022 IMDb Toppers

​Which of these IMDb toppers of 2022 in various categories did you enjoy the most?​

​List: ​​https://www.imdb.com/list/ls569734820/​

Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/289iUpNKoM0/

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What sources or criteria are used?

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@Peter_pbn​ 

Hi Pibby,

I used IMDb ratings and number of votes.

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@Dibyayan_Chakravorty​ 

I have a couple of suggestions.

  • 1) I like the title, 2022 IMDb Toppers, but I would revise your question to be more explanatory.

​Which of these IMDb top-ranked titles of 2022 in various categories did you enjoy the most?​

  • 2) I would add a "results as 01 April 2023" date clause to your poll list, as Memories of the Future (2022), has already fallen to second place. A Better Call Saul episode, Plan and Execution, seem to have dethroned it as IMDb's Top Rated TV Episode of 2022 in the past week.

  • 3) I also suggest posting the minimum votes that were used for each category somewhere in your poll.
  • 4) I would consider adding other media categories toppers, such as podcast series, podcast episode, music video and TV short using a minimum vote threshold of 50 votes. I think it would be interesting to cover all the media categories that IMDb allows voting on. Plus, it makes your poll unique as you never see polls covering those categories.
  • 5) You should rethink the minimum votes used to calculate the chart topper for each category. Most of these categories you are listing get far fewer votes than movies, TV series, or TV episodes. Also, the votes are  for only a single year (or less) and not over multiple years, so the de facto cumulative threshold should not be applied. That should further drive the minimum that can be realistically expected even lower. IMHO, if you are calling something something top-rated, it needs to be a fair, balanced race with a healthy field of competitors. Ideally, I think that means competition between 25-100 contestants (or titles) that qualify above a set minimum. I don't think a race that is run with a single entrant and is declared the winner can be called a true champion. I replicated your results and found when a reasonable minimum vote threshold was set, that allowed for reasonable competition to take place, the outcomes were dramatically different.
  • 6) You can set the minimum vote thresholds where you want for a 2022-only competition. My off-hand thoughts on minimums for a single year are movies 10,000, TV series 4,000, single TV episodes 400, TV mini-series 500, Documentaries 500, TV Movies 500, TV Specials 100 and Shorts / Videos / Games / Podcast Series & Episodes / Music Videos 50. At those minimums, you should get a competition field between 25-100 titles per category. Alternatively, you could set the minimum to get a set number of titles, let say 100 to get a fair race, and let the minimums be dictated by that, rather than being arbitrarily set.

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@urbanemovies​ 

Benu,

I have changed the question as you suggested.

I have used both IMDb rating and number of votes as parameter to choose these titles.

Both the TV episode got 9.9 but the anime one got 6,000 more votes than Better Call. That's why I added that one.

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@Dibyayan_Chakravorty

It actually is not a tie for the episode topper, the Saul episode is higher ranked than Memories. Yes, IMDb rounds the number off so they both display as 9.9, but the unrounded result is going to show the other title is ranked higher, that is why it is first ranked. [ie 9.87645 (displays as 9.9) beats 9.85043 (displays as 9.9)]. Plus, if it was an actual tie, the tiebreaker would be votes, so Memories would be ranked higher in the first spot that case, which it is not. This further solidifies  that the Better Call Saul episode, Plan and Execution is the true #1.

However, the real issue are these chart toppers that topped a chart of one, two, three or six titles, because the minimum vote thresholds used are too high for a single or partial year for those types of media. Against more competition (25-75) with a fairer thresold, these supposed number ones still were ranked in the top 10%, but they were not the true #1 title and in every case finished behind more deserving titles. You can see for yourself in the graphic posted above or in this example of the video topper race here:

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Other Topper Results

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@urbanemovies​ 

It actually is not a tie for the episode topper, the Saul episode is higher ranked than Memories. Yes, IMDb rounds the number off so they both display as 9.9, but the unrounded result is going to show the other title is ranked higher, that is why it is first ranked.

This is inaccurate according to Col Needham: link

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@Peter_pbn​ Thanks, but you are actually saying my contention is accurate. Since, IMDb used to do it that way prior to three months ago in 2022 and now they are using a different tie-breaker. The Saul episode is still higher ranked than Memories, based on the title's popularity tie-breaker. The point is still the same, there is an "official" IMDb tie-breaker, which in this case is being ignored or subverted to not list the true 2022 chart topper episode.

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@urbanemovies​ 

No, the previous rank was not based on additional decimals of the rating.

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@Peter_pbn​ It doesn't make a difference. The point is that Memories of the Futures from the Attack on Titan TV series is not the highest rated episode of 2022.

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@urbanemovies​ 

I believe the search results do not sort episodes by popularity. This is possibly because IMDb does not measure popularity of episodes. The order is by title number of the episodes, which becomes clear if you look at a longer list.

https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?title_type=tv_episode&release_date=2022-01-01,2022-12-31&user_rating=9.9&sort=user_rating,desc

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@Peter_pbn​ I think you make some fair points. I appreciate you pointing out my factual errors, because I would rather know I was wrong, than be wrong and think I was right.

Again, the wider issue is being missed here: which is coming up with a reliable methodology that is fair to declare a specific title top ranked. Personally, I don't think this it.

It is interesting that "IMDb does not measure popularity of episodes", because I can understand them not using it, or publishing it, but I would think it would be a simple fuction of episode page views. I see your point with this "Games of Throne" popularity sort they are ordered by release date.

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@urbanemovies​ 

Personally I think it makes most sense to use the number of votes as a tiebreaker since ratings have to do with the votes. Dibyayan used the wording "top rated" in the options and said from the start that he used ratings and number of votes. "Top-ranked" is your wording, which could arguably cover include other types of ranking.

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2022 Toppers: Podcast Series, Podcast Episode and Music Video

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