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Live Poll: BLM: Black Lives Matter

Today we find ourselves at a sadly familiar crossroads, as the tragic killing of George Floyd once again reminds us of frightening racial inequalities affecting the Black community. We at IMDb strongly condemn all forms of racism and injustice.
 
We stand with people of color in solidarity, and we are committed to using our collective voice to help create a brighter, more inclusive future for all.
 
In this sad state of affairs, let's have a look at some of the films with a happy ending for a black character.
 
Which of these films where a black character wins is your favorite?
 
 
❒ IMDb List:  https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098491520/
❒ IMDb Poll: 
 
 
- by  BONAFIDE BOSS

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Poll Suggestion: BLM: Black Lives Matter
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/poll-suggestion-blm-black-lives-matter
IMDb List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098491520/
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I'm searching for a t-shirt with that slogan at the local stores, but need oversize.

Hidden Figures
Men of Honour
12 Years a slave
Amistad
The Butler
Ali
Invictus
In the Heat of the Night

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One very good black winner is Hunter in Crimson Tide:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112740/
Another winner (Jesse Owens):
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3499096/
Another black hero:
Jackie Robinson with #42 in 42:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3499096/

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"A movie with a happy ending for a black character" sounds a little off... because what it does is reducing the character to his ethnicity... which can only be relevant if it has a bearing on the narrative...


Secondly, you're mixing serious movies about racism with more lighthearted stuff... you have "Pulp Fiction" while I am not sure the film had a happy ending for Marvin... you have "Shawshank" a film that had nothing to do with racism... how about "The Nutty Professor while we're talking"?


And seriously even if the ethnic background played a role in the film, it doesn't sound quite right, I mean can you imagine a poll saying "a film with a happy ending for a white character" or "a film with a happy ending for a woman"... are movies where things end well for black characters such a rarity? It's too generic and it pretends that it doesn't often happen.


Just take any movie with a Black hero or heroine, any comedy with Black protagonists, any inspirational drama and they will have happy endings for Black people... given that even a sad ending can have positive implications.


As for the slogans and labels, as powerful as they are, I am not sure either that an entertainment platform is the right place, we live in a time where everything is turned into a hashstag, its for stuff like this that I feel totally disconnected...anyway that's another story.

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Thanks for your input.

I've made some changes to the list.

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Problem with a user list
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/problem-with-a-user-list
  
This list
BLM: Black Lives Matter
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098491520/
by a user makes reference that IMDb has taken a particular position
on a hot social topic here in he United States...
  
Ed Jones(XLIX)
Posted June 6 2020

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Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos expressed support for the Black Lives Matter movement by posting an email exchange with an upset customer.

In an Instagram post, Bezos posted a screenshot of an email from a customer who said it was “disturbing” and “offensive” that Amazon posted a message on its website in solidarity with the movement. The customer, whose name was blurred, wrote “ALL LIVES MATTER!”

Critics of the Black Lives Matter movement often seek to counter the phrase by saying “all lives matter” or “blue lives matter,” referencing fallen police officers. 

“I have to disagree with you,” Bezos replied. And here's the rest of the message.

Screenshot of the email from an upset customer:


Screenshot of Bezos response to that customer :

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Y'all may or may not be aware that Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Anthony Brian Logan, Brandon Tatum, Candace Owens, the Hodge twins, among many others of various descents (including and beyond the designation "Black" or "African") and slightly diverging viewpoints, would probably be able to debunk, to a degree, the sentiment but forth by people who claim, in the 21st century, that Americans of Caucasian descent have far less to worry about from committers of homicide (be it in self defense, cold-blooded murder or extrajudicial, be it committed by civil servants, military officers or ordinary civilians) than do Americans of Black descent.

So many control advocates, intersectionality theorists, cancel cults, "progressives", identity political pundits, social democrats, "underclass" fascists and Marxist-sympathizing capitalists ignore all the progress that the United States and all the States that comprise so have made since 1776, along with the triumph over the former empires of England, France, Spain and Portugal, all guilty (not necessarily equally) with the United States, Quebec, Mexico and Brazil, of carving out powerful nations at the expense of the inhabitants of the Americas who happened to arrive long before 1492 and who often had many of the same faults as the folks who arrived later. They have all made progress. If anybody should be particularly upset, it would be constitutionalists, the valuers of the tenth amendment, as progress has not always been toward the appreciation of freedom over safety, and individual identity over community identity, and private property over public property, and holding tax-paid employees of the public trust to a much higher standard than common folk.

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Ed,
I am disappointed in you!  xD
You have a right to your own opinion (and I do agree with a lot of what you say)!  :)  But you should not speak to BONAFIDE in such a manner.  You have no right to order him to remove the thread.  
This is much like the things that happened to me on my other forum... I would post a polite, non-offensive opinion, and people would jump on me and harass me and demand that I leave the site, just because they disagreed with me.

I like you, Ed - please don't end up like the bullies out there.  ;)  <3

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xD My methods aren't PC, either!

Thank you for apologizing, and I do understand where you come from.  :)

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Unfortunate possibly it may be that I only first noticed this thread nearly a month after it had been created. On one hand, most likely I wouldn't've been able to make a difference had I arrived sooner, but on the other hand, I'd at least have some kind of record of the conversations that transpired here from the start, rather than only records of what was posted after I began following the thread. I should've been able to predict that ol' bossy Ed would be vanished from the forum at some point.

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Some of your posts come across as overwrought on this one, Ed Jones.  I read that the list has been subsequently changed, but as I see it now I don't find it inflammatory, although I don't think it's well composed, either, but that's besides the point.  I think someone could find your suggested alternative poll/list just as, if not more, objectionable and poorly composed than that made by Bonafide, let alone the series of political posts you made in this thread.  "All Lives Matter," for one, has become a polarizing slogan in some circles as has "Black Lives Matter" despite such statements seeming innocuous at face value.

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If it would ever somehow be scientifically proved that human-applied constriction of cartoid artery, jugular vein, trachea, lung or heart was not the cause of death, then characterizing the death as a "killing" could be interpreted as inflammatory. Right now, there is a minor circulating fuss as to whether or not intoxication via fentanyl was the primary or sole contributing factor in death.

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There are million people worldwide going on the streets, because it's unbearable for them what happens in USA. And not only there. This is too big to ignore. I'm ok with IMDb, when they say it's too critical to make a poll of this situation. On IMDb there are many peoples jobs depending. But on the other hand it's a low down shame what happend. It was unjustified murder by a police man.

Please get me right. We follow the American news as well as German and worldwide news. Do you follow German news? Or french news? USA stands in the spotlight everyday when we turn on the news, maybe a little bit Brazil, UK or Russia are on the screen, too. Outstanders don't have the right to stipulate what you have to do, but we can talk to you as friends. Friends protect each other.

As a friend let me say this is to big to turn it down. The more you repress it, the more it will grow. I like how the policemen de-escalated the situation in many areas, showing sympathy to the demonstrating people.

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Is there evidence of the number of people taking to the streets on account of sincerely-held beliefs? Are these people's motives really all that clear? How might they react if they find out they have been mislead?

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1) IMDb polls should stay away from politics.

2) I do not appreciate when polls benefit from tragedy. We aren' talking events that shaped history (like WWII) here, we are talking about actuality, the situation is evolving pretty much each day. It is hard to have an objective overview.

3) Plus, this poll doesn't feel sensitive, I support the ideology behind #BlackLivesMatter. But the real tragedy is the death of George Floyd and the poll his question and the title seems too far from it. 

In other words, your question is completely disconnected from the tragedy and the tragedy is completely disconnected from IMDb. From my point of view, this poll is not viable.

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I'd say that the aimless and impoverished life that Geroge Floyd led was a bigger tragedy than his apparently unfair fatality. The odd thing is that even to this day, not very much has been published about his origins (such as his parents, grandparents, upbringing and education). All we have to work with is his record of violence, and all the nice things his offspring and cousins claim about him, without any clues as to what extent he reformed his ways prior being apparently choked to death by a callous, mean ol' Minneapolis police officer who, up until that point, had been in the process of attempting to arrest somebody accused of a variant of theft. But wait. Even now, no word from the United States Secret Service on the matter. That's the agency responsible ensuring the security and authenticity of United States legal tender, albeit policing counterfeiting. Amazing how so many justice systems went to great lengths to pin responsibility for the seemingly needless death on one man and totally ignore the murder victim's role in his own death, as if the victim was some kind of saint. But if he was mentally ill, then it is certainly hard to blame him for some of his behaviors. Having a firearm pointed at him understandably startled him, sending him almost into a nervous breakdown, but even that is also kind of like bad karma. I'd admit, however, that I don't understand the legal justification that the police officer had for approaching the vehicle with his weapon drawn and aimed at the suspect. Was it a felony traffic stop? One would think that a criminal trial in a court of law would've asked and answered more questions than it did. The job of a court is to arrive at a complete truth. Until more courts are able to do that, there will be anxiety in the people and the police who serve the people. I'm almost certain that most legislators are too incompetent, too lazy and too selfish to produce meaningful plans of action regarding all this. Instead, most of them just keep regurgitating rejected fallacious ideas presented decades ago.

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Enough is enough!  The mouse is speaking!  (You people: "The mouse?... what...")
This is ridiculous!  This is IMDb, not some website for bickering.  We all have our own opinions!
I understand the anger on both sides... but this is a poll suggestion!  
It is up to BONAFIDE to do with it what he wants, and it's up to the IMDb poll gods to decide to let it go live or not.  
Quite frankly, it's not our problem!

There, the mouse has said her piece.  Thank you.

I would also like to apologize to BONAFIDE for all this clogging his thread.  I've been the victim of that, myself, and I know it is annoying.
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This is a forum about movies. I'm tired of witnessing poll taking advantage of actuality/tragedy for the sake of getting votes and ultimately the poll maker badge.

This is such an outrageous and stupid motivation because let be honest, this poll is not sensitive. A man is dead!!! and we are taking advantage of his death and the whole political state to make a poll and to get votes. It is immoral. Honestly, I can't endorse this, it is a matter of the overall impression that we are gonna get as Poll Maker. 

Imagine that this poll goes live:

1) Voters come on IMDb to get entertainment details about actors movies etc. If they want to learn about politics, they can go to Fox News, CNN, BBC, CBC, NBC, etc. Diversity is not a problem. This is not a place where you can post any poll, it reserved for polls about the entertainment industry. 

We should stay politically neutral in our poll suggestions!!!

2)  I have made 43 polls in more than a year now. Our names are connected to our poll, so our names are connected to the IMDb Poll Section. Would you want your movie poll to be displayed below a poll sympathizing with Nazi Germany??!!

I was exaggerating below. But I'm sure that you get the picture. I don't want my entertainment polls to be on the same page as political polls.

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Well, I don't think BONAFIDE had those intentions, and quite frankly, as I said above, it is not our choice.
What someone wants to suggest is their business.  We can disagree.

My biggest problem here is not the poll sugg itself, but the spewing of comments, on both sides of the issue.  As on my other forum, the best thing to do is calm down.
There is no need for all this frustration.  I mean, I get the controversy, but it's not helping anything.

I do agree with what you say though, cinephile.

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That wasn't quite my point.  :)
I have nothing against people saying what they think (I do it ALL the time), it's just the anger that doesn't help anything.  
You, Selina, made a polite, short, respectful comment.  
It's the rants that I don't get.
BONAFIDE obviously meant no harm in this suggestion, and there is no need for people to get quite so up in arms about it, whether it's right or wrong.

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I know, Ed.  I'm not discrediting what you feel.  I have strong opinions, too, and I am hurt when others do not see my side, which I feel is right.
I guess I'm just saying, look at where this has gotten us?  
A warning to BONAFIDE that it may not quite be in the best taste is fine.
So is stating your side of it.
But the numerous comments complaining about it is just childish.

<3 I love you people and I wish you all the best in this.  I just don't want this to get out of hand and turn us comrades against each other.  :)

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Ed... you're being sarcastic, right?  :0

I would like to know: why did I cross the line?

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I suppose I commented one too many times, sorry.
Selina...
I certainly hope we're still good...
:)

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Oh, I see... I am very sorry.  I can see how that can be hurtful.
I did not realize that that was why; I thought it was just because I was kind of disagreeing...
Again, I am sorry.  :(  I wasn't actually addressing you; I meant any social media thread ever.  On that ever-mysterious other forum I'm on, the amount of people who can't disagree without cussing each other out is through the roof... I'm shell shocked.  xD
I'm sorry that hurt you, and I hope you can forgive me.  We all make mistakes.
I also apologize for my other comment.  I was under the impression that you were cutting me off just because I spoke up; I see now that that is not the case.

I have had numerous experiences, both online and in real life, where friends have turned their back on me for no good reason.  I'm always on alert for that.  I should've known that you are not like that.

Can you ever forgive me?

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Bravo for this poll suggestion. 

I've been making a list about the same general topic but the polls are pretty different because the question is different and, therefore, the films. You suggested your poll first, anyway, so even if they were similar, yours would get priority, of course. They are quite different, though, and who knows if I'll finish mine anytime soon. 

'Pulp Fiction' is my favorite from this list, or practically any other list, and Jules is one of my all-time favrorite characters. His monologue in the diner, at the end of the film, is sheer genius. 

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Trading Places (1983)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/reference
A snobbish investor and a wily street con artist
find their positions reversed as part of a bet by two callous millionaires.

Dan Aykroyd Dan Aykroyd ... Louis Winthorpe III 
Harvard educated, is successful at his job, has a lavish home ...

Eddie Murphy Eddie Murphy ... Billy Ray Valentine
a black hustler/crook ...
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Hey Boss, I think the intro is beautifully written (kudos) but we probably shouldn't be speaking for IMDb since we're not actual employees. Since IMDb has publicly supported what this poll embodies, however, I think it's an appropriate suggestion: I''m just thinking it would perhaps be better to quote something that IMDb has officially stated and cite them. I think it might also be ok to use an unspecified "we," although I'm not as certain about that. 

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It says Black Lives Matter, because it's racism that happens. I didn't hear for white men got shot (by police) on the tv for the last ten years. It seems symptomatic that unarmed black people got shot by police in USA. So why call it "All Life Matters"? That fails the thematic. It's not opposing racism to protect that group of people by changing the game.

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They fight for injustice. The word is a little complicated, but shows up the urgency of the issue. They use dramatic words to be effective. But fight doesn't mean they want to fight you. They fight to feel save at last. When I look at documentary feature at tv that report what happens, I could cry. Black parrents need to teach their children to first state that they are unarmed, when police faces them. Those parents got the fear their kids could get shot, If they do not do that.

Just in mind: Please turn arround the situation. Black men conquerred the new land and settle. Then they abduct thousends and thousends of Europen whitees to work for them. They got whipped, if they don't do right. And get killed whenever a black man has enough of them. 150 years later the white people have given their best to be slave no more, but get scorned, bothered and in worst case shot by a black sheriff  while just driving their car. How do you feel, when you read this? I got shivers down my spine.

I still say that I don't have to stipulate what you gotta do overseas. I know that America saved us from the Reign of the Hitler regime. I'm grateful for that. But I nearly cry when I see your country burn. On the other hand -  would you notice the irregularities, if there weren't handyvideos as a proof and the peoples anger? I don't think so. It's not unfounded.

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Selina: No, I don't think so. But I think there are different causes why white or black men got shot. I just count unarmed. Another question: When was the last time, a black person did a massmurder or amok run? I can't remember.

You are right when you tell me, that I'm not completely informed. I don't claim validity. I just told what I perceive in overseas. I guess many other people in Europe perceive the same or simmilar.

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Breu, many yellow vest demonstrators lost their hands or eyes or worse during the marches in France... they got a taste of police brutality and use of grenades and most of the victims were white.... no one really protested or seemed to care outside France.

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Hi, Breumaster. You wrote, "Black parents need to teach their children to first state that they are unarmed, when police faces them. Those parents got the fear their kids could get shot, If they do not do that." Why do you believe this?! Don't you know that plenty of Americans of Black descent are never taught this yet have also never been injured at all while encountering law enforcement officers?! Unfortunately reliable statistics are not available on the matter. Everybody is just kind of stuck evaluating the anecdotes of notable people, who vary in age and location of residence. Thus much of the beliefs we are left to work with are bred of suspicions, educated guesses or outright myths. Please trust me when I tell you that the experiences of inhabitants of the United Stats vary with location and time period. The situation is nowhere nearly as violent, in quality or quantity, as it had been in times past. The mainstream media outlets tend to misrepresent the likelihood of various kinds of corruptions, and they most frequently completely ignore the corruption of the media sources themselves including universities.

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Hi, Breumaster. You wrote, "Black parents need to teach their children to first state that they are unarmed, when police faces them. Those parents got the fear their kids could get shot, If they do not do that." Why do you believe this?! Don't you know that plenty of Americans of Black descent are never taught this yet have also never been injured at all while encountering law enforcement officers?! Unfortunately reliable statistics are not available on the matter. Everybody is just kind of stuck evaluating the anecdotes of notable people, who vary in age and location of residence. Thus much of the beliefs we are left to work with are bred of suspicions, educated guesses or outright myths. Please trust me when I tell you that the experiences of inhabitants of the United Stats vary with location and time period. The situation is nowhere nearly as violent, in quality or quantity, as it had been in times past. The mainstream media outlets tend to misrepresent the likelihood of various kinds of corruptions, and they most frequently completely ignore the corruption of the media sources themselves including universities.

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Well, just put in this search line in yt:
Black parents teach their children police
One example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coryt8IZ-DE

This might not be the case in some parts of the USA, but in some other states it doesn't look easy to live as a black male/woman/*
Not to talk about the black LGBT+ community. The got it even harder to cope with the system.

But in Germany we have our own problems. We got similar, but other problems. There were 69 threatening mails sent to leftwing and far leftwing politicians by far right criminals, using police computers to gather the adresses of the politicians. So parts of the police are involved into these hate crimes. Now they have to comb the police for far right police man/men to end it.

The mails were signed with NSU2.0, which means National Social Underground 2.0
The last few years, people from the NSU (1.0) were torn into a court of law, with only one convict, Beate Tschäpe. But i fear the network reaches wider than our state Germany will admit.

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The idea that the advice conveyance being undergone in Cut's video "Black Parents Explain How to Deal with the Police" be a requirement for a non-injurious encounter with 21st century American law enforcement personnel is disingenuous propaganda. (The comments section for the video is full of disingenuous rhetoric.) There are children of all colors whose parents will be concerned about the possible dangers of interacting with state actors who believe somebody is guilty of an offense, and those parents teach their children the law, including the Constitution of the United States. The media outlet that Cut is may possibly not have a record of honesty and very likely is incentivized by political donors to not present any sincerely-held beliefs. I should look into it.

Of the media, the same problem exists with Cable News Network (CNN), Microsoft Network National Broadcast Channel (MSNBC), Bloomberg News, The Young Turks (TYT), Democracy Now!, Vox, The Huffington Post (HuffPo), The New York Times (NYT) and The Washington Post (WaPo), and not only them (the mainstream "drive-by media") but also Fox News Channel (FNC) and even perhaps One America News Network (OAN), with political biases opposite of the aforementioned social democrat media outlet bloc. (There are many others as well of course.) Every last one of them tells half truths, and sometimes they outright commit defamation. (You've heard of the way they mistreated one Nick Sandmann, right?) Furthermore, YouTube's search algorithm is biased in favor of CNN above all, as far as "news" be concerned. The only time a Fox News video ever appears at the top of any search results is when there is a newsworthy topic not being covered by CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg et cetera. Conversely, Fox News appears, with rare exceptions, to make it a point not to cover stories of police brutality, police corruption, police perjury or police dereliction of duty. Many Fox News viewers could possibly be left under the impression that poorly-mitigated instances of such things simply do not exist anymore.

Newsy has a so-called chart on the media matter:

But invariably even Newsy would also fail to be impartial. Hell, even Public Broadcast Station (PBS)'s NewsHour, on par with Reuters, is not completely impartial, but at least they are always respectful and cannot afford to pay the consequences for defamation.

In the United States, if law enforcement personnel injure an innocent person (especially a child) to the point of death, then somebody or some agency on the state actor side of the equation will get into deep trouble, provided (but not necessarily provided) that the root cause of interaction was not a criminal behavior on the part of somebody other than law enforcement personnel, and of course provided that no kind of successful coverup is employed by criminals that may possibly inhabit the office of trust that is law enforcement or higher, or adjacent.

By the way, in the parts of the United States where life is very hard for people of Black descent, life is also very hard for people of other descents as well. Believe it or not, there are places where life is indeed harder for poor people of Caucasian descent than poor people of other descents. Life will probably be hard for anybody who lives in a civic district in which the majority of the inhabitants feels that person doesn't belong. Nobody has precisely figured out why any disparities exist in demographic statistics. Some will attribute it to nature. Some will attribute it to nurture. Whereas many will write it off as long-lived systemic racism or at the very least the very long jet lag after the time that many racist laws became inoperative. There is always a big fuss as to which political party's ideas, methodologies and policies lengthen the jet lag. A lot of Americans believe that neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party has a viable plan to mitigate the valid complaints about any civic topic.

Back to Cut's video on the police encounter advice matter. One major problem with it is that it does not bother to address why law enforcement personnel might believe that a "person of color" has committed a crime. For one, innocent people of all colors have been, are and will be sometimes mistaken for a known criminal for fits the innocent person's description. That's actually a major problem, even if it doesn't happen most of the time. Outside of that scenario, why would anybody expect for law enforcement agencies to not go fishing for incriminating evidence when conversing with a civil infraction committer who fits an authentic criminal profile? Disincentivizing that may be a matter of law, uh, tax law.

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FYC:

Attack the Block with John Boyega

(or maybe one of his other movies)

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I've stopped adding action-comedies since ElMo pointed out that almost all these films have a happy ending.

Thanks for your suggestion, though. I found and added Ray (2004) instead. :)

Btw, I'm only adding films with 100k votes. I forgot to mention it before 'cause of stress.