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Tuesday, February 16th, 2021 2:40 AM

Live Poll: Lesser-Known Author and Auteur Collaborations

Which of these successful collaborations between an author and auteur is your favorite?

Rules:

1. Lesser than 100 000 cumulative votes

2. Both the author and the auteur must be deceased

List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089107586/

Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/EaH9TkYRH2o/

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3 years ago

Suggestions needed

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3 years ago

@cinephile,

I really like this poll suggestion. I will have to do some research to add some suggestions.

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3 years ago

Max Ophüls and Arthur Schnitzler:

Liebelei (1933) and La Ronde (1950)

Yasujiro Ozu and Ton Satomi:

Equinox Flower (1948) and Late Autumn (1960)

Orson Welles and William Shakespeare:
Macbeth (1948), Othello (1951) and perhaps Chimes at Midnight (1965), below 100 000 either way

Claude Chabrol and Georges Simenon:

The Hatter's Ghost (1982) and Betty (1992)

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3 years ago

Collaboration may not be the right word.

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@Peter_pbn

"Collaboration" is the word that IMDB uses for their Advanced Search Engine. But, I'm open to suggestions if you know a more appropriate word.

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3 years ago

Since they are lesser known films, probably voters have not watched enough of them to vote for a favorite. Maybe which one interest you the most or would you like to watch or something in that tone may be a better question?

FYC: The Man in the Iron Mask (1939) directed by James Whale based on a novel by Alexandre Dumas.

La Captive (2000) directed by Chantal Akerman based on a novel by Marcel Proust

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Since they are lesser known films, probably voters have not watched enough of them to vote for a favorite. Maybe which one interest you the most or would you like to watch or something in that tone may be a better question?

Maybe. However, the last time two times that I tried it, I have not gotten the impression that it influenced the results of the poll.

Cate Blanchett's Favorite Hope Films (261 votes) Winner: Spirited Away

Kenneth Anger's Short Films (76 votes) Winner: Lucifer Rising

FYC:The Man in the Iron Mask(1939) directed by James Whale based on a novel by Alexandre Dumas.

La Captive (2000) directed by Chantal Akerman based on a novel by Marcel Proust

To be eligible for the list the "collaboration" must include at least 2 films. 

James Whale only made one film based on a novel written by Alexandre Dumas: https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?roles=nm0001843,nm0241416&title_type=feature

Chantal Akerman only made on a film based on a novel written by Marcel Proust: https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?roles=nm0001901,nm0698969&title_type=feature

Also, to be considered an auteur, the director needs at least one writing credit in the collaboration. It is to exclude "yes men" from the list.

 

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Got it.

In that case maybe: Satyajit Ray and Bibhutibhushan Bandyopadhyay.

They have five films, and I think at least 2 are among the greatest classical Indian films

Feature Film/TV Episode/Video/TV Movie/TV Special/TV Mini-Series/Documentary/Video Game/Short Film, with Bibhutibhushan Bandyopadhyay, Satyajit Ray (Sorted by Popularity Ascending) - IMDb

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This is going to be a fun to research poll.

Akira Kurosawa and Shûgorô Yamamoto, seven films

Kenji Mizoguchi and Matsutaro Kawaguchi, sixteen films

Youssef Chahine and Abderrahman Charkawi, 3 films

Sergiu Nicolaescu and Titus Popovici, 8 films

Satyajit Ray and Sunit Gangopadhyay, 2 films

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Thank you, I will add those tomorrow.

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Also FYC:

Zoltán Fábri and István Örkény, 2 films

Edvin Laine and Väinö Linna, 7 films

Robert Bresson and George Bernanos, 2 films

Vittorio de Sica and Alberto Moravia, 5 films

Jirí Menzel and Bohumil Habral, 8 films

Jacques Rivette and Honoré de Balzac, 4 films

Yves Robert and Marcel Pagnon, 2 films

Jéan Renoir and Emile Zola, 2 films

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I added all the collaborations that you suggested, but I'm not sure to keep:

Sergiu Nicolaescu and Titus Popovici

Youssef Chahine and Abderrahman Charkawi

Because Popovici and Charkawi are screenwriters before being authors.

Also, I added:

Jean Delannoy and Georges Simenon

1.Maigret Lays a Trap (1958)
2. Maigret and the St. Fiacre Case (1959)
3. The Baron of the Locks (1960)

Robert Bresson and Fyodor Dostoevsky

1. A Gentle Woman (1969)
2. Four Nights of a Dreamer (1971)

Grigoriy Kozintsev, Boris Pasternak and William Shakespeare

1. Hamlet (1964)
2. King Lear (1970)

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I'm unfamiliar with the work of both of them and found them only while investigating, but if they are indeed mostly screenwriters they probably aren't what you meant.

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3 years ago

One: It's fewer, not lesser.

Fewer versus less is the debate revolving around grammatically using the use words "fewer" and "less" correctly. According to prescriptive grammar, "fewer" should be used with nouns for countable objects and concepts. According to this rule, "less" should be used only with a grammatically singular noun. 

Two:

I don't understand your premise. Having Shakespeare remotely implied as a lesser-known author (which some people could interpret the poll suggesting) is wrong on several levels.

Three: 

I don't think you can collaborate with someone who died literally centuries before the project. Collaboration needs both parties to work together.

Maybe throw out the collaboration concept in its entirety and go with something along the lines of ...

Which one of these successful sets of adaptations between a single author and single auteur is your favorite?

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@Tsarstepan

One: Corrected

Two:  It is not about the popularity of the author it is about the popularity of the collaboration/set of adaptations. And, the collaborations Welles/Shakespeare and Olivier/Shakespeare aren't that popular according to IMDb and Letterboxd. 

Three:

Peter suggested something similar. I'm considering it strongly.

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Yes, this is what I meant too. A rewrite along the lines Tsar suggests may be the best option.

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Tsarstepan's text doesn't work for the "Grigoriy Kozintsev, Boris Pasternak and William Shakespeare" collaboration.

And, my knowledge of English fails to find an alternative.

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3 years ago

Deleted:
Youssef Chahine and Abderrahman Charkawi

1. Nida al'ushshaq (1961)
2. Saladin (1963)
3. The Land (1969)
 
Sergiu Nicolaescu and Titus Popovici

1. The Dacians (1966)
2. Michael the Brave (1971)
3. Then I Sentenced Them All to Death (1972)
4. With Unstained Hands (1972)
5. The Last Bullet (1973)
6. The Immortals (1974)
7. The Last Assault (1985)
8. Proud Heritage (1989)

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3 years ago

I re-wrote the intro. Is this better?

This list enumerates successful but often forgotten sets of adaptions between an auteur and an author. 

Which of these is your favorite? If you haven't seen any, you can vote for the one you are the most eager to discover.

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Looks fine.

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3 years ago

Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/EaH9TkYRH2o/

Congratulations Cinephile

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3 years ago

Fun Fact:

There are now more options in my title polls than titles in my ratings.

Stats:

1425 options in my title polls: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls092923274/

1419 titles in my ratings: https://www.imdb.com/user/ur91650024/ratings

1209 unique titles in my polls: https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?lists=ls092923274

Soon, I'm gonna make a list of titles that appear more than once in my polls.

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Soon, I'm gonna make a list of titles that appear more than once in my polls.

Done!!! There are exactly 153 titles that appear in at least two of my polls.

Here is the top 15:

Nomadland (6 times)

Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (5 times)

The Godfather (5 times)

Citizen Kane (5 times)

The Irishman (5 times)

Seven Samurai (5 times)

The Usual Suspects (4 times)

Joker (4 times)

2001: A Space Odyssey (4 times)

Casablanca (4 times)

Spotlight (4 times)

Vertigo (4 times)

Ford v  Ferrari (4 times)

Mank (4 times)

The Father (4 times)

You can see the rest of the list here: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls088122951/

Now, I'm gonna do the same for people and images.

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3 years ago

I'm scared that this poll might have suffered from vote stuffing. Today only, Harakiri got 37 votes.

And, it is not the only one. 
These accounts seem to have voted on 250+ polls: https://www.imdb.com/user/ur124707769/

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