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Release Dates - Premiere event bug

I noticed that when a title has its release type set as premiere, for example "Cannes Film Festival (premiere)" or any other release date marked with (premiere), voting for that title is disabled until the title has another showing.

I can give some examples that I have tried to fix (with my other account) but with no success, have been rejected few times with a generic message "Unable to verify".

This film premiered in August at Locarno Film Festival, but as you can see voting is disabled because of (premiere) mark.

https://imdb.com/title/tt9141694/releaseinfo

https://imdb.com/title/tt9141694

Some other examples:

Premiere in March at SXSW

https://imdb.com/title/tt11317170/releaseinfo

https://imdb.com/title/tt11317170

October 7 premiere at Busan Film Festival, voting disabled

https://imdb.com/title/tt29115028/releaseinfo

https://imdb.com/title/tt29115028

Can someone check what the problem is?

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2 years ago

@plur62  Do you have the contribution IDs for the rejected corrections as these should not have been rejected? 

The behaviour is correct -- premiere events in specific cities (which tend to be invite only) do not qualify a title to be open for voting, so the presence of a (premiere) attribute without another screening in the past will disable voting, exactly as you have observed.  

The (premiere) attribute should generally not be used in connection with a festival screening. 

So to summarise:

(Los Angeles, California) (premiere) == okay 

(Sundance Film Festival) (premiere) == not okay 

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Another title, I can't change (premiere event) to (at a festival) for this film which premiered in August 2023 at Locarno Film Festival, contribution rejected 2 times. As you can see, due to the addition (premiere), the film cannot be rated.

https://imdb.com/title/tt7578486

https://imdb.com/title/tt7578486/releaseinfo

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Hi @plur62​ -

I just checked the title page and it is now allowing votes.

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2 years ago

Two new titles screened at film festivals (my contributions were declined)

Comme le feu (2024) - World premiere February 17, Berlin Film Festival https://www.berlinale.de/en/2024/programme/202403456.html

Love Lies Bleeding (2024) - World premiere January 20, Sundance Film Festival https://festival.sundance.org/program/film/656a08c7fac9f442f5c0487a

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@plur62​ Those changes have been made separately now, however, someone from the main Sprinklr team will need to investigate why they were not processed.   Do you have your submission numbers handy for them?  

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@Col_Needham​ I have the submission numbers, but I don't think there's a need to put them here now that it's fixed.

Sometimes titles can't be rated before they go into theatrical release, regardless of whether they've been screened at multiple film festivals before, like "Killers of the Flower Moon", but I believe that's because those titles might be controversial or where there could be vote manipulation, so I don't report such titles here.

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@plur62​ We still need the submission numbers so the team members who mistakenly rejected them can be re-trained to understand the policy. 

Your second point is correct and that actually now applies in the case of LLB but there's a separate mechanism for this, and whoever added three (premiere) attributes did the wrong thing (adding one is bad enough, and again, they should not have been accepted on our side, so more training is required). LLB can still be rated but the average rating will not be eligible for display until after general release. 

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@Col_Needham​ 

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Thank you @plur62,

We have tagged those submission references for review and shared with the relevant team for further training.

Cheers!

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1 year ago

Another one, submision for change release type was declined, should be without "premiere".

https://imdb.com/title/tt32394528

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Hi @plur62,

Thank you for reporting this. Your latest correction attempt was approved.

I hope this helps!

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1 year ago

Unfortunately, this is still a problem with titles that premiered at film festivals.

This title, for example, had its world premiere back in March at the SXSW Film Festival, but voting is still disabled due to its "premiere" release type.

https://imdb.com/title/tt27218960

https://imdb.com/title/tt27218960/releaseinfo

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@plur62​  You wrote: 

This title, for example, had its world premiere back in March at the SXSW Film Festival, but voting is still disabled due to its "premiere" release type.

This is correct and is by design. Is your issue here that you submitted the removal of the attribute and it was rejected? If so, please can we have the submission reference numbers.

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@Col_Needham​ yes, it was rejected, reference number is 241002-121013-331000

At the top of the page you wrote:

"The (premiere) attribute should generally not be used in connection with a festival screening. 

(Los Angeles, California) (premiere) == okay 

(Sundance Film Festival) (premiere) == not okay 

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@Col_Needham​ 

The submission guide still says

Example festival attributes are:

(Toronto International Film Festival) (premiere)

(Cannes Film Festival)

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1 year ago

Also, new "Joker" movie and "Modi - Three Days on the Wing of Madness" directed by Johnny Depp have a premiere attribute even though they had world premieres at film festivals (Venice and San Sebastián).

Joker is now in theaters, so it doesn't matter anymore.

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My previous thread was closed

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/release-dates-premiere-event-bug/652f25fedcce2440562fc87d

Titles still cannot be rated until the next release date if they have a (premiere) tag. 

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled (premiere) Release type bug still exist

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@plur62​ As note above at https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/release-dates-premiere-event-bug/652f25fedcce2440562fc87d?commentId=652f962cdcce2440562fd617 this is not a bug and the attribute is working as designed in this context.  

We will follow-up with the relevant team on why the guides were not updated.  

If you see the attribute being incorrectly used as in your examples, feel free to submit corrections. 

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@Col_Needham​ you wrote this on that thread:

"The (premiere) attribute should generally not be used in connection with a festival screening. 

 

 

So to summarise:

 

 

(Los Angeles, California) (premiere) == okay 

 

(Sundance Film Festival) (premiere) == not okay"

So, this is not okay, but when I try to correct it, I get "Does not meet contribution guidelines" message every time. Confusing.

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