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Release Dates - Premiere event bug

I noticed that when a title has its release type set as premiere, for example "Cannes Film Festival (premiere)" or any other release date marked with (premiere), voting for that title is disabled until the title has another showing.

I can give some examples that I have tried to fix (with my other account) but with no success, have been rejected few times with a generic message "Unable to verify".

This film premiered in August at Locarno Film Festival, but as you can see voting is disabled because of (premiere) mark.

https://imdb.com/title/tt9141694/releaseinfo

https://imdb.com/title/tt9141694

Some other examples:

Premiere in March at SXSW

https://imdb.com/title/tt11317170/releaseinfo

https://imdb.com/title/tt11317170

October 7 premiere at Busan Film Festival, voting disabled

https://imdb.com/title/tt29115028/releaseinfo

https://imdb.com/title/tt29115028

Can someone check what the problem is?

Thanks

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1 year ago

@plur62  Do you have the contribution IDs for the rejected corrections as these should not have been rejected? 

The behaviour is correct -- premiere events in specific cities (which tend to be invite only) do not qualify a title to be open for voting, so the presence of a (premiere) attribute without another screening in the past will disable voting, exactly as you have observed.  

The (premiere) attribute should generally not be used in connection with a festival screening. 

So to summarise:

(Los Angeles, California) (premiere) == okay 

(Sundance Film Festival) (premiere) == not okay 

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@Col_Needham​ 

Contribution IDs:

231018-073949-090000

231018-074021-537000

231018-074054-120000

231018-074122-074000

231018-074157-569000

I usually try to change the attribute "Premiere event" so that I mark "At a festival" or "Other (not listed above), sometimes it is accepted, but not in these cases.

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Hi @plur62,

Thank you for the submission references. We can see that these were once again declined, this was the result of a processing error. We have resubmitted the corrections on your behalf to monitor through processing.

Thanks!

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@Col_Needham​ Am I right in assuming there was a policy change regarding this attribute? In the past (as recent as Oct 2021, see http://web.archive.org/web/20211027220948/https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/release-dates/GVUUDEPJNAW6G35P?ref_=helpms_helpart_inline# ) it was okay to have the attribute (premiere) attached to a film festival. Am I also right in assuming this change wasn't announced or did I miss it?

Also, previously, there was a definition/an explanation what a premiere is. I see this has been removed from the guide. Wouldn't it be clearer to have kept this?

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Hi @Marco​ -

My apologies for the delayed reply.  Following up here, I can confirm that the usage of this Release Date attribute is currently under review by our policy team.  Once there is an update I will be sure to post the details here as well as ensure our Help Guides are updated accordingly.

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@Michelle​ Do you perhaps have an update on this?

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10 months ago

Another title, I can't change (premiere event) to (at a festival) for this film which premiered in August 2023 at Locarno Film Festival, contribution rejected 2 times. As you can see, due to the addition (premiere), the film cannot be rated.

https://imdb.com/title/tt7578486

https://imdb.com/title/tt7578486/releaseinfo

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Hi @plur62​ -

I just checked the title page and it is now allowing votes.

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9 months ago

Two new titles screened at film festivals (my contributions were declined)

Comme le feu (2024) - World premiere February 17, Berlin Film Festival https://www.berlinale.de/en/2024/programme/202403456.html

Love Lies Bleeding (2024) - World premiere January 20, Sundance Film Festival https://festival.sundance.org/program/film/656a08c7fac9f442f5c0487a

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@plur62​ Those changes have been made separately now, however, someone from the main Sprinklr team will need to investigate why they were not processed.   Do you have your submission numbers handy for them?  

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@Col_Needham​ I have the submission numbers, but I don't think there's a need to put them here now that it's fixed.

Sometimes titles can't be rated before they go into theatrical release, regardless of whether they've been screened at multiple film festivals before, like "Killers of the Flower Moon", but I believe that's because those titles might be controversial or where there could be vote manipulation, so I don't report such titles here.

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@plur62​ We still need the submission numbers so the team members who mistakenly rejected them can be re-trained to understand the policy. 

Your second point is correct and that actually now applies in the case of LLB but there's a separate mechanism for this, and whoever added three (premiere) attributes did the wrong thing (adding one is bad enough, and again, they should not have been accepted on our side, so more training is required). LLB can still be rated but the average rating will not be eligible for display until after general release. 

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@Col_Needham​ 

240219-054649-415000

240219-055510-891000

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Thank you @plur62,

We have tagged those submission references for review and shared with the relevant team for further training.

Cheers!

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4 months ago

Another one, submision for change release type was declined, should be without "premiere".

https://imdb.com/title/tt32394528

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Hi @plur62,

Thank you for reporting this. Your latest correction attempt was approved.

I hope this helps!

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2 months ago

Unfortunately, this is still a problem with titles that premiered at film festivals.

This title, for example, had its world premiere back in March at the SXSW Film Festival, but voting is still disabled due to its "premiere" release type.

https://imdb.com/title/tt27218960

https://imdb.com/title/tt27218960/releaseinfo

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@plur62​  You wrote: 

This title, for example, had its world premiere back in March at the SXSW Film Festival, but voting is still disabled due to its "premiere" release type.

This is correct and is by design. Is your issue here that you submitted the removal of the attribute and it was rejected? If so, please can we have the submission reference numbers.

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@Col_Needham​ yes, it was rejected, reference number is 241002-121013-331000

At the top of the page you wrote:

"The (premiere) attribute should generally not be used in connection with a festival screening. 

(Los Angeles, California) (premiere) == okay 

(Sundance Film Festival) (premiere) == not okay 

"

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@Col_Needham​ 

The submission guide still says

Example festival attributes are:

(Toronto International Film Festival) (premiere)

(Cannes Film Festival)

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2 months ago

Also, new "Joker" movie and "Modi - Three Days on the Wing of Madness" directed by Johnny Depp have a premiere attribute even though they had world premieres at film festivals (Venice and San Sebastián).

Joker is now in theaters, so it doesn't matter anymore.