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Sunday, March 6th, 2022 9:24 AM

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Please Include "Pidgin" in the Film/TV Languages List

Hello I am a filmmaker from Nigeria who has made films with Pidgin as a dominant language - Ojuju (2014), Juju Stories (2021), and Mami Wata (in post-production). The problem is that "Pidgin" though spoken by almost 100 Million people across West Africa and Diaspora is not listed in the Film or TV language list, so we resort to choosing English, even though English is used mostly minimally or not at all in our films. I appeal to the IMDb support to kindly look into this. I'm only here because I don't know where else to table this request. Thank you, and looking forward to a considerate response.

Thank you.

C.J. "Fiery" Obasi

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3 years ago

Hi fierycj-

A ticket has now been filed to the team in charge to request the language to be added.

Thanks!

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@Bethanny​ Thank you for your prompt response! Please see further context below -

It is true that Pidgin is a type of language, but when you go to countries like Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Gambia - it is a legitimate lingua franca in these countries, irrespective of whatever tribe or ethnicity you're from. Even in the diaspora. Therefore it is not enough to call it "Pidgin English" because it's more than English, and the words that make up pidgin are also derived from Portuguese, French, Spanish and even Latin. You can specify "Nigerian Pidgin" but then you would have to specify "Liberia Pidgin" "Ghana Pidgin" etc which though are similar, but are quite distinct in themselves. Also, there is a central kinda West African pidgin that is spoken even beyond Anglophones, and is understood in Francophone countries like Benin, Togo and Ivory Coast. I'm taking time to explain all of this, so you understand the actual context on ground, as it involves the actual speakers of the language, and not just what's being written. There are people who speak only pidgin and can't speak English at all. As there are people who can speak English and can't speak pidgin at all. To say because it sounds like one language should not discredit it as a language in its own right. A 100 million people will disagree with you. I do agree with "West African Pidgin" as it encompasses the lingua franca of Pidgin that encapsulates English, French, Portuguese etc derivates to create its own language. To be further specific "Nigerian Pidgin" "Ghana Pidgin" etc but "West African Pidgin" or something similar should definitely be in the list. My film "Mami Wata" is more "West African Pidgin" as the kind of pidgin used in the film isn't peculiar to Nigeria, Ghana or any particular country. 

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@Bethanny​ Hello. Still no response or fix to this? Language should be a priority as it represents an entire people and demographic. Do kindly act accordingly IMDb. Thanks.

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Hi fierycj-

I understand the frustration with the delay to get the language listed, unfortunately I don't have a timeframe as to when the language will be added, however, I have commented on the open request to help push for the update.

Thanks!

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@Bethanny​ Thank you.

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3 years ago

Pidgin is a term that can be used about language forms around the world, so any addition to the language list should probably be more specific to avoid confusion.

"West African Pidgin English, also called Guinea Coast Creole English"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38000387

"Nigerian Pidgin" mentioned

https://www.britannica.com/topic/pidgin

Similarly, IMDb guidelines say this about the related term creole: 

  • Creole is not a specific language; it refers to the way a language has evolved. Some of the more common creoles listed in the database: Haitian; Morisyen (spoken in Mauritius); Kabuverdianu (Cape Verde); Kriolu (Guinea-Bissau).

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@Peter_pbn

Hello, Thanks for your input. It is true that Pidgin is a type of language, but when you go to countries like Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Gambia - it is a legitimate lingua franca in these countries, irrespective of whatever tribe or ethnicity you're from. Even in the diaspora. Therefore it is not enough to call it "Pidgin English" because it's more than English, and the words that make up pidgin are also derived from Portuguese, French, Spanish and even Latin. You can specify "Nigerian Pidgin" but then you would have to specify "Liberia Pidgin" "Ghana Pidgin" etc which though are similar, but are quite distinct in themselves. Also, there is a central kinda West African pidgin that is spoken even beyond Anglophones, and is understood in Francophone countries like Benin, Togo and Ivory Coast. I'm taking time to explain all of this, so you understand the actual context on ground, as it involves the actual speakers of the language, and not just what's being written. There are people who speak only pidgin and can't speak English at all. As there are people who can speak English and can't speak pidgin at all. To say because it sounds like one language should not discredit it as a language in its own right. A 100 million people will disagree with you. I do agree with "West African Pidgin" as it encompasses the lingua franca of Pidgin that encapsulates English, French, Portuguese etc derivates to create its own language. To be further specific "Nigerian Pidgin" "Ghana Pidgin" etc but "West African Pidgin" or something similar should definitely be in the list. My film "Mami Wata" is more "West African Pidgin" as the kind of pidgin used in the film isn't peculiar to Nigeria, Ghana or any particular country. 

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3 years ago

I agree with Peter. A pidgin is a type of language, not a specific language. Please enter this language as "Nigerian Pidgin" rather than just "Pidgin".

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@gromit82​ Hello, Thanks for your input. It is true that Pidgin is a type of language, but when you go to countries like Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Gambia - it is a legitimate lingua franca in these countries, irrespective of whatever tribe or ethnicity you're from. Even in the diaspora. Therefore it is not enough to call it "Pidgin English" because it's more than English, and the words that make up pidgin are also derived from Portuguese, French, Spanish and even Latin. You can specify "Nigerian Pidgin" but then you would have to specify "Liberia Pidgin" "Ghana Pidgin" etc which though are similar, but are quite distinct in themselves. Also, there is a central kinda West African pidgin that is spoken even beyond Anglophones, and is understood in Francophone countries like Benin, Togo and Ivory Coast. I'm taking time to explain all of this, so you understand the actual context on ground, as it involves the actual speakers of the language, and not just what's being written. There are people who speak only pidgin and can't speak English at all. As there are people who can speak English and can't speak pidgin at all. To say because it sounds like one language should not discredit it as a language in its own right. A 100 million people will disagree with you. I do agree with "West African Pidgin" as it encompasses the lingua franca of Pidgin that encapsulates English, French, Portuguese etc derivates to create its own language. To be further specific "Nigerian Pidgin" "Ghana Pidgin" etc but "West African Pidgin" or something similar should definitely be in the list. My film "Mami Wata" is more "West African Pidgin" as the kind of pidgin used in the film isn't peculiar to Nigeria, Ghana or any particular country. 

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@fierycj​ I am fine with the idea of listing your film as being in "West African Pidgin" if that is the standardized name for the language as spoken in that region. I just want to make sure we use something more specific than "Pidgin" which could apply to other completely different languages.

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@gromit82​ Absolutely! We can have "West African Pidgin" for when it encompasses one country, as is the case with my film. And then "Nigerian Pidgin" "Ghana Pidgin" etc when it is specific to the particular country, as is the case with my film Ojuju (2014), and other films like The Lost Okoroshi (2019) where it is specifically "Nigerian Pidgin"

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3 years ago

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@Marco
Sat, Sep 16, 2017
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Creole or Pidgin is not the name of a language
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/creole-or-pidgin-is-not-the-name-of-a-language/5f4a79d38815453dba8c42c2

As the guide clearly states
https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/guide/language

"Creole is not a specific language; 
it refers to the way a language has evolved."
The same goes for Pidgin. Yet there are currently 265 titles with the language Creole...
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fierycj
27 minutes ago
This is so wrong. You can't delete the language of over 100 million people just like that! 
I submitted a request on this, with context
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/please-include-pidgin-in-the-filmtv-languages-list/62247db556bba8382dc3a9e4

Please kindly overturn this decision.
Thank you.

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@ACT_1​ Peter and Gromit already said what I would've said, that Pidgin is not the name of a language and should therefore not be added. There might be languages called Nigerian Pidgin or West African Pidgin. Obviously, I'm fine with them being added to the database. Unfortunately, it can take IMDb years to add a single language...