Duplicate Keywords - List #26 (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion) (time travel, kiss, incarceration, prison, jail)

@keyword_expert​ You know we could all do with making a discord for this stuff imo, lol. Not just you and I but the other heavy contributors.

@keyword_expert​ "female female kiss" looks unwieldy and odd to me. At least change it to something like "kiss between two females"?

@hurdy_gurdy_man​

Call me old-fashioned or politically correct or whatever you want, but I believe it is inappropriate in most cases to use the word "female" as a noun. This exact topic has been discussed at length on this very message board. So I definitely could not endorse "kiss-between-two-females." 

Personally I prefer these keywords:

girl-kisses-a-girl (78 titles)

woman-kisses-a-woman (237 titles)

But as long as people want to be vague or general about who is doing the kissing, there will need to be keywords like "female-female-kiss."

Plus, there are already a bunch of similar keywords including "female" in this type of usage:

I understand your stance. Usage of the word "female" as a noun does not look entirely correct to me either. That's why I am of the opinion that the prolific keyword "title-directed-by-female" ought to be changed to "title-directed-by-woman". Just one example.

@hurdy_gurdy_man​ 

That's why I am of the opinion that the prolific keyword "title-directed-by-female" ought to be changed to "title-directed-by-woman". 

But "female" is not a synonym/duplicate for "woman." There are also titles directed by girls (although these titles are relatively rare).

"title-directed-by-female" has been largely replaced by the vague "f-rated" keyword, anyway. Neither one is an ideal keyword.

All of this is discussed on that other thread:

"title directed by female"

@Pencho15​ 

From Meriam-Webster: Jail and prison are often used interchangeably as places of confinement. If you want to be specific jail can be used to describe a place for those awaiting trial or held for minor crimes, whereas prison describes a place for criminals convicted of serious crimes.

@Pencho15​ In addition to what @adrian has said, a jail usually has less security and people are sometimes held there temporarily. A good example is a county jail or a jail cell in a police station.

A prison typically has more security and is more permanent. A good example of a prison is a federal prison. 

I can imagine that many people likely use these words interchangeably on IMDb. But just to be safe, I think the keywords should be kept separate.

@keyword_expert​ Allright then. Upu learn something new everyday

@Pencho15​

Search for "prison" on the Office Space quotes page for a hilarious quote about going to prison.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/quotes/qt0386902

@tzot​ I saw that movie a very long time ago so I don't really remember the details. Was he neither held by a government nor in a government-run prison?

I do see that the title also has the keyword "wrongful-conviction." Is that also incorrect?

In the reviews on the title, at least one reviewer refers to "Oh's incarceration."

For titles where someone is held for long periods like this and not by a government, I prefer the keyword "captivity." I agree with you that "incarceration" is not a great keyword in these circumstances. In my opinion it's the same with "imprisonment." To me, both those keywords imply a government-run prison.

With that said, my dictionary defines "incarcerate" as "to imprison; confine" and "to enclose; constrict closely," and defines "imprison" as "to confine in or as if in a prison." So the literal meanings of these words are broad enough to encompass non-governmental prisons.

I also like the keyword "false-imprisonment," which I use in the legal, technical sense, but I realise that many people are not familiar with this term. "False imprisonment" is a legal term used to refer to a tort or harm caused by one human to another, and the dictionary definition is "the unlawful restraint of a person from exercising the right to freedom of movement." Wouldn't that pretty much describe exactly what happens in Oldboy? (But as I've mentioned, too few people are familiar with "false imprisonment" for that keyword to really take off.)

Yes, he was held captive in an apartment not in a jail/gaol, so it's definitely not incarceration; the review probably uses “incarceration” erroneously.

“wrongful-conviction” would also be incorrect, because there was no trial.

@tzot​ Sounds like the "incarceration," "imprisonment," and "wrongful-conviction" keywords should all be avoided on that title, in favor of "captivity" (and "false-imprisonment" if people understand what that rather obscure term actually means). 

@tzot​ p.s. I went ahead and made those keyword modifications to Oldboy. I also deleted the keyword "prison-cell," which was on there for some reason.