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Duplicate Keywords - List #10 (Proposal for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion) (misc., "death," & "slaps" keywords)

Here is the tenth installment in my list of duplicate keywords proposed for permanent merging and auto-conversion.

As with my prior lists, I propose that the IMDb community be allowed one week to review and comment on this list before I formally submit it to IMDb staff for action. I am starting this post as an "idea" post. After seven days, I will convert it to a "problem" post and will request action by IMDb staff.

Every duplicate keyword (or combination of multiple keywords) on this list has at least 50 titles. The mergers should be made in the direction of the arrows.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

answering-phone (22 titles) -->  answering-the-telephone (91 titles) --> answering-a-telephone (3 titles)


based-on-actual-events (17 titles) -->  based-on-real-life-events (7 titles) -->  based-on-real-story (15 titles) -->  based-on-real-events (654 titles) -->  based-on-true-events (65 titles) -->  based-on-a-true-event (10 titles) --> based-on-true-story (6669 titles)


crime-confession (69 titles) --> confession-of-crime (228 titles)  -->  confessing-to-a-crime (6 titles) --> confession-of-a-crime (2 titles)


death-by-cutting (49 titles) --> cut-to-death (16 titles)


death-by-fire (63 titles) -->  burn-to-death (17 titles) -->  burnt-to-death (13 titles) --> burned-to-death (567 titles)


death-by-hanging (288 titles) --> hanged-to-death (43 titles)


death-by-impalement (93 titles) --> impaled-to-death (12 titles)


death-by-poisoning (78 titles)  -->  death-by-poison (91 titles)  -->  poisoned--to-death (3 titles)  --> poisoned-to-death (106 titles)


death-by-shooting (676 titles) --> death-from-shooting (2 titles) --> shot-to-death (6265 titles)


death-by-stabbing (189 titles) -->  death-from-stabbing (2 titles)  -->  stabbing-death (11 titles)  -->  stab-to-death (5 titles) --> stabbed-to-death (3014 titles)


death-by-strangulation (225 titles) -->  death-by-strangling (67 titles) -->  strangled-to-death (507 titles)


death-by-suffocation (85 titles) --> suffocated-to-death (42 titles)


electro-shock (68 titles) --> electroshock (3 titles)


father-slaps-daughter (62 titles)  --> father-slaps-his-daughter (2 titles)


father-slaps-son (77 titles)  --> father-slaps-his-son (7 titles)


indie-movie (71 titles) -->  independent-movie (253 titles) -->  indie-films (14 titles) -->  indiefilms (10 titles) --> independent-film (44183 titles)


loosely-based-on-real-events (75 titles) --> loosely-based-on-a-true-story (23 titles)


man-and-woman-share-a-bed (234 titles) -->  man-and-woman-in-bed (184 titles) --> man-and-woman-in-a-bed (79 titles)


mother-slaps-daughter (65 titles) --> mother-slapping-daughter (1 title)   --> mother-slaps-her-daughter (4 titles)


mother-slaps-son (89 titles) --> mother-slaps-her-son (7 titles)


part-animation (841 titles)   -->  part-animated (119 titles)


pick-axe (121 titles) --> pickaxe (199 titles)


talking-to-camera (340 titles) -->  talking-to-a-camera (7 titles) -->  talking-to-the-camera (3150 titles)

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The keyword part-animated is mentioned in the genre guidelines. If it is changed, this phrase should be updated:

"Incidental animated sequences should be indicated with the keywords part-animated or animated-sequence instead."

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@Peter_pbn

For that one, I actually had the order flipped in my draft list, like this:

part-animation (841 titles)  --> part-animated (119 titles)

To me, "part-animated" just sounds better.

But then I changed it based on the higher existing numbers for "part-animation."

Now that you point out the specific reference to "part-animated" in the guidelines, I will switch it back to what I was originally thinking: merge "part-animation" into "part-animated."

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@keyword_expert 

Keep the "death-by-____" Keywords - easy to sort on some list later ? ?

( Merge other with these )

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@ACT_1 

Regarding the "death-by-" keywords, we definitely have competing considerations here. Probably everyone would agree that these keywords should be merged. The question is which direction. 

As you point out, to merge in the direction of "death-by-" would allow for easy alphabetical sorting. There are currently 119 keywords that begin with "death-by-" listed on the master list (although many of these are duplicates and/or keywords with only one or two titles). Alphabetical sorting is good for that master list and would  also work on the title pages themselves (when the keywords are sorted alphabetically).

Another consideration is the "murder-by-" keywords. Sticking with "death-by-" would allow these keywords to be consistent with the "murder-by-" keywords.

On the other hand, the "death-by" keywords are awkward-sounding, and in most cases not grammatically correct. For example, in everyday speech we don't say "the victim suffered death by shooting." We say "the victim was shot to death." (In that sense, some of the "death-by" keywords remind me of the stupid "Did He Died?" meme that was all the rage in the early days of YouTube.)

Also, for some of these keywords, the community appears to have already spoken up resoundingly in favor of the "-to-death" keywords. For example, "shot-to-death" has nine times as many titles as "death-by-shooting." (Although, to be fair, there is also the keyword "death-by-gunshot," which I did not include in this list because a "shot" or "shooting" may in rare cases involve a shot from something other than a gun, so "gunshot," "shot," and "shooting" are not necessarily the same thing. I suppose the grammatically correct equivalent of "death-by-gunshot" would be "shot-to-death-with-a-gun.")

The numbers are similarly lopsided in favor of "stabbed-to-death": it has fifteen times as many titles as all other stabbing/death keywords combined.

With those considerations in mind, I favor the "-to-death" keywords over the "death-by-" keywords. There is no right or wrong answer here, but that was the thought process I went through in compiling the list. The "-to-death" keywords sound better and are more popular. That's enough for me.

Whatever is done with the "death" keywords, there should be a consistent approach as much as possible. 

One final point: prioritizing the need for alphabetical sorting above all other considerations reminds me of this hilarious summary by @jay_spirit of the approach of Jon Reeves:

Jon Reeves seemed to think that the most important word in a phrase (such as knife in eats-with-knife) had to appear at the beginning (e.g. knife-eaten-with) so that users could find all the related terms in alphabetical order.

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@keyword_expert 

One note here. You may be correct that in a sentence, it would he "He was shot to death". But, as short hand for what happened outside of a sentence and maybe on medical forms it would be "death by shooting".

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@Michelle Now that 7+ days has passed, this list is ready for action by IMDb staff. I have converted this post to a "problem" post.

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add links here to

Duplicate Keywords - List #1
Duplicate Keywords - List #2
Duplicate Keywords - List #3
Duplicate Keywords - List #4
Duplicate Keywords - List #5
Duplicate Keywords - List #6
Duplicate Keywords - List #7
Duplicate Keywords - List #8
Duplicate Keywords - List #9

Duplicate Keywords - List #11 ??

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Bump.

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@Michelle 

I posted this keyword list nine weeks ago, and have been patiently waiting for action before I post a new list.  Is this just a delay, or has IMDb staff decided to no longer act on my keyword merger lists?

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I am not sure what I was thinking when I wrote this in this thread:

Although, to be fair, there is also the keyword "death-by-gunshot," which I did not include in this list because a "shot" or "shooting" may in rare cases involve a shot from something other than a gun, so "gunshot," "shot," and "shooting" are not necessarily the same thing.

Upon revisiting this topic, I see no problem with merging "death-by-gunshot" into "shot-to-death." Even if "shot" is broader than "gunshot," it would still be okay to merge "gunshot" into "shot" without causing any improperly assigned keywords. I plan to propose exactly that merger in a future list.