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Deleting spurious actor credit ... how much and what kind of evidence do you want?

I just received this rejection:

DAUGHTER OF DRACULA (1972)        241122-033128-113000

Actor Deletion

Climent, José  Charlie le journaliste (uncredited)
Your Comment
There is only one character called Charlie in the film, the part of the journalist taken by Fernando Bilbao. Jose Climent is the film's cinematographer. His IMDb page only contains this single actor credit, which is clearly spurious. His DP role (as Pepe Climens) appears in the opening credits.
Reason  Unable to verify.

Your contribution has been declined.We have been unable to verify your contribution.

Unfortunately, we were unable to accept your submission as we were unable to verify the information provided.

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There are no end credits, nor any roles specified anywhere. So the current character names have been submitted by someone else ... with this one anomaly, as far as I can see. As explained, there is only one character called Charlie, and so this spurious credit is a duplication. How much evidence, and what kind, can possibly confirm this correction?

                            hutch48

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Hi, hutch48:

This is an interesting case. We all know "Uncle Jess" was famous for creating different versions of the same film (sometimes even 3 or 4) for foreign consumption, which allowed him to add scenes that in Spain would not overcome the puritanism of censorship. He came to the conclusion that he would have more freedom to shoot abroad than in his own country and began a long series of co-productions with Italy, Germany, the United Kingdom, France, the United States... often using several pseudonyms for himself and those who worked on his films in an attempt to improve sales.

La fille de Dracula (1972) is a France-Portugal co-production, and you're correct that the original French credits list José Climent (Pepe Climens) only as directeur de la photographie (director of photography), not as one of the credited cast members, albeit the number of actors displayed in the opening titles is small (Fernando Bilbao is uncredited indeed).

On the contrary, as usual in Franco's films, the credit titles change in the German version. These are taken from a 2003 DVD release, so and I can't be sure that they are the original ones shown in German theaters. I also do not know if these are the credits followed by the fellow contributor who provided the information, but here there is some “José Climent” listed among the cast members.

Please note that Fernando Bilbao still does not appear in the credits. Perhaps it was an error on the part of the title designer, or perhaps “José Climent” is a pseudonym used by Fernando Bilbao in this film (it would be strange, since he's working with someone with the same name), but the truth is that there is a “José Climent” credited as part of the cast.

Given that IMDb's priority is the titles of the original version, I can only think of two solutions:

  • If we believe that “José Climent” is a pseudonym for Fernando Bilbao in this film, the entry should be deleted entirely (the German version is not the original release).
  • If we believe that José Climent, the cinematographer, also had an acting role in this film, we should try to find out which character he played, as it is unlikely that there are two Charlies in the same movie, keeping the (uncredited) attribute (again, the German version is not the original release).

Cheers!

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@ljdoncel​    Thank you for the thorough analysis. I saw the French version on a streaming service.

Your second solution seems likeliest to me; in any case, the character name is wrong if Jose Climent did take a break from his DP role to act in the movie. I can see Franco saying, "Hey, Pepe, we've got no-one to play the bar-owner's husband. Can you fill  in?" That character (his name would be Kramer) is the only one I can think of who might fit: he's a short, balding man in a suit who has no dialogue. But, of course, that is pure speculation; I've no idea what Climent looks like.

BTW, I think I put in the wrong link to the submission. It should be  241122-032417-465000.

I do appreciate your reply.

                               hutch48

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Perhaps IMDb can also check whether any evidence was provided when the credit was added.

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Hello All,

Thanks for the information and the research! I have removed the credit based on the evidence provided, the changes will be live on the site shortly! 

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@Fran​  Thank you, Fran!