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Tuesday, September 8th, 2020 7:49 AM

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Adding attribute to runtime

I found that it was impossible to add an attribute to a listed running time because the form does not recognize that I am correcting the existing entry and not adding a second one.

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6980394/technical

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4 years ago

Hi Peter -

 

Unfortunately, this is still a known bug that has not yet been fixed.  I have added your recent example to the existing tech ticket for visibility and I requested a status update.

 

Once I receive an update on the status for a fix I will let you know here. 

 

Apologies for the very long delay on this one!

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3 years ago

https://contribute.imdb.com/title/tt0063665/ One + One (1968)

There are 2 original running times listed, both set to the default country, both without attributes. 111' is the correct one, 100' is obviously the edited version, but it won't let me add that attribute. The edit form rejects it with the confusing error:

  • This running time is the same as the default running time.
    There is no need to submit a running time which is the same as the existing default.

Note that it seems to think I'm adding a new running time, when I'm only correcting an existing one (by merely adding an attribute). It appears to be self-referential, which invalidates the idea there's an "error" on which to base a reject of my submission.

The only solution I see is to Delete the 100' timing, wait for it to be approved, then do a second submission to re-add the 100' with an "edited version" attribute.

This behavior is very screwy and unnecessarily time-wasting. This needs to be fixed so we can simply add an attribute when needed.

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Attributes can't be added to running times

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No idea, but perhaps the ”(edited)” attribute has something to do with it? Since basically that ”edited” version is the ”original” version (it was shown first in London Film Festival, and ”Dir. cut” was shown after that).

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@eboy Per IMDb convention, a running time without an attribute is by definition the "original" timing. And there can't be two original running times. The page needs to be corrected to add an attribute to one of them.

That's fine, it can be done; I'm doing it already on the example title I gave. In two somewhat dire unnecessary steps instead of one simple one. My point in posting this is to call attention to the invalid and confusing error message, and the seeming inexplicability of we not being able to add an attribute to a running time if we need to, and instead have to delete it and re-add it with the new attribute.

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I think this is a long-standing bug.

There is a thread here that's apparently "in progress": https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/adding-attribute-to-runtime/5f57376e49d3ca45853e89dd

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Yes I see. That 1-year-old thread mentions an earlier thread from 4 years ago about the same problem. I posted a more detailed response over in the 1-year-old link you just mentioned.

There are multi-submission workarounds, but I notice that even if one of your submissions is "approved" (like deleting the offending running time entry altogether), sometimes the "approval" doesn't actually happen (like just now when my deletion of the 100' timing was approved, it's still there), or an editor decides to make a different change/edit thereby messing up what you were trying to do (and still falsely labelling your submission as "approved").

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3 years ago

@Michelle @Peter_pbn @adrian 

I just pointed out this problem in a new thread, December 2021, here:

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/attributes-cant-be-added-to-running-times/61c57aa4e4279c627b16c34b

A year after Peter_pbn's present thread. Michelle's word was the last on this, re an update to an older tech ticket filed. No fix yet.

The former thread from adrian is 4 years old now. Michelle also had the last word there too, with the original tech ticket. Not fixed.

I myself pointed out this problem 2 years ago, and was assigned a new tech ticket. At that time, like adrian, I also came up with workarounds involving entering fake timing numbers to force the system to think it was not the same, and having to make several submissions, including deleting the offending entry, and waiting for it to be approved before taking the next step. Some workarounds involve 4 separate submissions.

The problem is not just adding attributes. There was another related bug involving ADDING NEW running times for different countries and/or unique attributes that were within 4% of an already-listed time that wouldn't take unless you fake-corrected the existing timings first, then added your new entry, then went back and undid your fake (which worked).

4 years, and 4 people getting new or updated tech tickets (and probably many more we don't hear about), and still not fixed. Obviously, staff is just providing lip service because Nothing Ever Gets Fixed.

By the way, if you ask staff to add the attribute for you manually, they can, on a case-by-case basis. At least they used to - I think they stopped taking requests like that because too many contributors were asking.

Not sure how busy the tech staff are, don't know what their excuse is, but in my experience with editing bugs (I've come across quite a few), None Have Ever Been Fixed. Going back 9 years, seriously.

[Someone should merge these 3 threads here. But it's obvious we're just talking to ourselves. No one at IMDb is listening (or cares).]

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2 years ago

Hi @Peter_pbn -

This has now been fixed.

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ Cooooooooooooooooooolzies....... Yes I can confirm no more red editor rejections on timings: when adding an attribute, or when correcting the timing slightly (no "within 4%" error), or when adding another timing within 4% (as long as you use a different attribute). Nice, thank you (finally).