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Title Pages: Why are background extras listed above the crew and producers ?

On episodic TV listings, it makes NO SENSE to list hundreds of uncredited background artists above crew from producers down ! WHy do I have to scroll endlessly to find the people that way more meaningfully actually make the show. Can you just list the first 20 or so cast and then have a “more” button ?

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Separate background actors/extras from regular cast on movies

jeorj_euler

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6 years ago

Hi, john brawley. Do you use reference view?

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john_brawley

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In reference view you don't get any crew.  Once you go to "full cast and crew" it's a thousand backgrounders before you get to producers and below the line listings..aka the crew.

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jeorj_euler

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The problem is that, with the exception of a one-line listing of key writers and directors, the cast is always listed before the crew.

— Jeorj Euler, an IMDb regular registrant

6 years ago

john_brawley

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Why would an UNCREDITED extra in a single episode be listed before the director of photography, editor or production designer of the entire series.  It makes no sense at all.  A quick solution would be a "more" button on the cast after the first 30 or 40 listed ? If you want to see the HUNDREDS of cast that are listed over the lifetime of a series then go to a seperate page.  How many page down's do you have to hit before you find the crew, many of whom have worked for hundreds of episodes in key creative roles ?...https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/fullcredits?ref_=tt_rv

6 years ago

jeorj_euler

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Each section should at least have its own fragment identifier, and hyperlinks to them should be at the top of the page.

— Jeorj Euler, an IMDb regular registrant

6 years ago

MykolaYeriomin

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Edwin, no offense, but that comment is a personal attack and is quite offensive. Things like that will eventually get you banned despite being a valauble contributor since 1999. 

Why, of places, hold a grudge and stalk someone here?.. (Edit: Although, yes, why hold grudge and stalk anywhere for that matter). 

6 years ago

jeorj_euler

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Nikolay Yeriomin, he probably doesn't have much to worry about (for a while) as long as he only has one target, especially since the target is neither an IMDb company officer nor a long-time, polite Contributor Helper.

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6 years ago

Vincent_Fournols

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6 years ago

Hi, john brawley, let me put it the way I understand your issue:

You are a subscribed contributor, and in your preferences (https://www.imdb.com/preferences/general), you have ticked "Show reference view...", therefore you get the full cast and crew on one page. The cast is always displayed first, hence you may have loads of uncredited actors before even reaching the director.

If you untick "Show reference view", (if I remember right) your default display will list only the top 20 (?) actors, with a "Show more" link before displaying the director.
Is the latter what you are after ?

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john_brawley

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Hello Vincent.

Thanks for responding,

I did have that selected.  Even unselected though.... you still don't have the top 20 selected ONLY appearing.

The behaviour is the same.

If you want to look up who the the production designer of a popular show is, you still have to wade through pages of single episode uncredited extras that are listed before the creatives that are on the whole season.  Go look up the production designer of Madman and tell me how many clicks and scrolls it takes you.

Go look up who did the special make up effects in the series The Walking Dead and there's pages of uncredited single episode zombie backgrounders instead of the team that DID the zombie makeup.

JB

6 years ago

nickbianco

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It worked as Viincent said for me. Did you hit the SUBMIT button and then do a new search for your movie?

6 years ago

Peter_pbn

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A default title or episode page doesn't have any crew listed apart from the director and writers, so the point still stands that you must scroll past the cast list to get to the producers, etc.

6 years ago

john_brawley

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HI Nick. It doens’t seem to make any difference if this is checked or not, and yes I’ve hit submit, even, logged out and back in again on a different browser.

JB

6 years ago

jeorj_euler

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6 years ago

john_brawley

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But reference view doens’t give me any of the below the line heads of department ? No designer, no editor, no DP, no sound, no music no costume, no VFX no SFX etc....

6 years ago

jeorj_euler

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That's a good point, john brawley. If I recall correctly, when the old Title Combined View was ditched in favor new Title Reference View, that new reference view briefly contained the below-the-line heads of departments, but it also included the entirety of the cast from the whole series, which was causing the titles pages to take a long time to load in reference view.

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6 years ago

jeorj_euler

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Notice how https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/externalsites has a "Jump to" index. That's an example of an application of fragment identifier hyperlinks.

— Jeorj Euler, an IMDb regular registrant

6 years ago

jeorj_euler

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6 years ago

The following is a bookmarklet (or script code prefixed with a out-syntax scheme identifier) which, when used on a "Full Cast & Crew" listing page, will skip-scroll past the entire the cast listing.
javascript:
(
  function()
  {
    var e=document.querySelectorAll("h4.dataHeaderWithBorder"),i;
    for(i=0;i<e.length;i++)
      if(/^ *Series Produced by *$/i
         .test(e[i].textContent
               .replace(/[ \xa0\t\n]+/mg," ")))
        e[i].scrollIntoView();
  }
)
()
If you know what a bookmarklet is, then you already know what to do, otherwise to "install" the tool, you would highlight the aforementioned source code (a JavaScript URI), copy it (to the clipboard) and paste it into URL field of a browser bookmark, whether already existing or newly created.

To use a bookmarklet, you "visit" it while having the particular webpage (in all of the Web) as the active tab in your browser. You don't need to understand JavaScript or any scripting language to use a bookmarklet.

The properly-encoded URI for that same source code is javascript:(function()%7Bvar%20e=document.querySelectorAll(%22h4.dataHeaderWithBorder%22),i;for(i=0;i%3Ce.length;i++)if(/%5E%20*Series%20Produced%20by%20*$/i.test(e%5Bi%5D.textContent.replace(/%5B%20%5Cxa0%5Ct%5Cn%5D+/mg,%22%20%22)))e%5Bi%5D.scrollIntoView();%7D)(); by the way. I previously presented this with line breaks and indentation to make it easier to read and thereby easier to understand, which in turn helps a semi-experienced individual screen it for malicious script behavior and errors in the flow of control that could unintentionally cause problems with resource allocation on any computer on which it is executed, meaning that trusting me would not be requisite for understanding that the script is safe.

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Alansmithee007

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1 year ago

This is still a continued problem.   I understand people wanting credit, but we use hundreds of BG in a film / TV Show or whatever.  If you speak you get a screen credit (if it's SAG, not always the same for Non-Union) and could be checked by the end credit's.  If it's a star actor doing a fun cameo and it can be confirmed then that is fun.   There needs to be a solution, with the problem being you can't certify a BG person.  They are BG, which makes them "Cast" but more part of the Crew.   But since again you can't confirm this, then they either shouldn't be allowed in the "Uncredited" or set up a Background Performer section.   It really has become a little silly.   I have even seen people at comic con who are BG performers with no screen credits or a ton of "Uncredited" setting up a place for autographs.   I have worked with some and know they are BG and not a speaking cast member.    Please find a solution... I know there is another thread only started 10 years ago... so I guess we will see.

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