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What is the policy on "works in progress"?

For as long as I've been active as an IMDb contributor and participant on this message board and its predecessors, the IMDb policy has been that a screening at a film festival does count as a release, so if a film is shown at a festival in a particular year, the year in parentheses after the title can't be any later than the year of the festival screening.

However, I've learned in another discussion here that if a screening is designated as a "work in progress", it might not count as a release. For example, the film '77 is shown with (2022) after the title, even though it started having screenings as early as 2007 -- 15 years before the year after the title. All the pre-2022 screenings are identified as "work in progress", although I don't know if that's really true. For example, the Hamptons International Film Festival 2008 catalog (see https://www.digitallongisland.org/record/30691?ln=en#?xywh=-1064%2C-99%2C4579%2C1944&cv=79 on p. 83) identifies '77 as a world premiere, with no mention of it being a work in progress.

I can't help but wonder if the past screenings might have been retroactively declared to be "work in progress" screenings so as to get a later year in parentheses after the title. (See https://web.archive.org/web/20090530141325/https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0326716/releaseinfo/ for evidence -- this 2009 version of the film's release info does not have "work in progress" as an attribute for the 2008 Hamptons screening.)

The reason I ask about this now is that another thread on this board has to do with a different film which also has prior-year "work in progress" screenings -- and the producer is trying to have those screenings disregarded for "year after the title" purposes so that the film will have (2023) in parentheses after the title.

So my questions are:

  1. If a screening is a "work in progress", does it count or not count as a release for purposes of the year in parentheses after the title?
  2. Is it permissible for a filmmaker to retroactively declare a screening to have been a "work in progress" for IMDb's year-after-the-title purposes?

Regardless of the answer to #1, I certainly hope that the answer to #2 is "no". Otherwise, a filmmaker could make a trivial edit to add or delete a couple of seconds of footage and claim that the prior screening had not been the final version of the film, just a "work in progress".

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Following up to my post, it looks like the other thread I referred to may have been deleted. However, the other film (Serial Daters Anonymous) did get its (2023) year in parentheses after the title, despite having been shown in film festivals as early as 2014: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3212056/releaseinfo/

And it doesn't appear that the early screenings were announced as works in progress at the time. See https://web.archive.org/web/20140929191514/http://mkefilm.org/serial-daters-anonymous/ (Milwaukee Film Festival 2014) and https://beloitfilmfest.org/films/serial-daters-anonymous/ (Beloit Film Festival 2015).

So, again, this could be a case of retroactively declaring the screenings in the past to have been "work in progress" screenings.

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I have letters from the festivals stating that they were work-in-progress screenings.  This is evidence that IMDb has accepted.

The main issue now seems to be that the festivals failed to market it as such online in a few places.

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@sam_kozel​ The question, as I see it, is not whether the "work in progress" designation was omitted in some promotional materials, but how the "work in progress" designation was indeed made known to the public in other promotional materials in advance of the screenings.

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Don't worry about it my friend.  I appreciate the help and your inquisitive nature.  We are giving up communicating with Imdb.  Many of the customer service individuals clearly wouldn't fully read the messages.  Often they wouldn't even call me by the right name lol.  Definitely the most difficult customer service experience ever.  As you can see, they aren't even answering to this thread in any real way.   I wish they were as deep thinking about the fabric And fluidity that is film.  Thanks again 👍

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Hi @gromit82 -

Thanks for raising this issue and providing the relevant examples.  I am currently reviewing this with our Policy team and will follow-up shortly to confirm the answers to your questions.

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Based on Michelle's comment at https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/year-correction-for-film-title/65b060d7b2f5be641b4d0207, I believe my question has been substantially resolved:

To clarify, we will only display one release year for a title, but various release dates with different years can be listed.  With that being said, I reviewed the existing release dates further and corrected the formatting (they will no longer display 'closing film' or 'premiere').  Additionally, a work-in-progress release attribute is only eligible if the title was marketed as such prior to the screening, therefore, the 2021 title year will need to remain listed as-is. 

(Emphasis added.)

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It doesn't answer your first question, does it?

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Peter: Admittedly, I didn't get a full answer to that question, but my main concern was filmmakers trying to retroactively declare their screenings to be "work in progress" screenings. Since Michelle has indicated that a screening will only be recognized as "work in progress" if it is publicized as such in advance, that issue is no longer a problem.

If a filmmaker really does promote their screening in advance as a "work in progress", I can accept having that screening not count toward the year in parentheses after the title, if that is the policy.

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Hi @gromit82​ & @Peter_pbn -

Yes, to confirm, "work in progress" are exceedingly rare and to be eligible for this attribute, this needs to be explicitly advertised/promoted as such ahead of the screening.  Additionally, any screening that is advertised as a "premiere" or "world premiere" and/or where the film is nominated or wins awards is not eligible to be listed as a "work in progress" screening.

Cheers!

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