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The keywords "blockbuster" and "movie-flop"

Since these two IMDb keywords are vague-sounding - as a film's box office cannot always be conclusively proved - I propose that they both be deleted.

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IMDb: Advanced Title Search

Keywords:

Blockbuster, Including Adult Titles (Sorted by Popularity Ascending)
1,361 titles
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?keywords=blockbuster&adult=include

Movie-flop, Including Adult Titles (Sorted by Popularity Ascending)
795 titles.
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?keywords=movie-flop&adult=include

Box-office-bomb, Including Adult Titles (Sorted by Popularity Ascending)
3 titles.
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?keywords=box-office-bomb&adult=include

1. An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn (1997)

   Keywords  : 78 plot keywords

  
2. Waking Sleeping Beauty (2009)
   Keywords  - 29 plot keywords
 
3. Tiger Man (1983)
    Keywords - 78 plot keywords

Wikipedia Blockbuster

Blockbuster (entertainment) 
a term coined for an extremely successful movie, 
from which most other uses are derived.

Blockbuster bomb,
a series of WWII-era air dropped bombs large enough to demolish a city block

Wikipedia bomb

Box-office bomb
which refers to a film for which the production and marketing costs
greatly exceeded the revenue retained by the movie studio.
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@ACT_1​ Are you a bot?

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Imperfect as such keywords may be, they are also the only way to include box office status in a search.

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@Peter_pbn​ But should box office status even be included in the keywords? Keywords are supposed to be related to the subject matter of the film itself, not the perception towards it.

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@hurdy_gurdy_man​ That's not strictly true. There are other keywords that are about the production, not the subject matter, like "written by director" and "triple f rated".

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@adrian​ But at least that sort of information has some solid facts behind it. Box office is a foggy situation.

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I also know that box-office-bomb is already a forbidden keyword. So why not these two also?

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They should be deleted.  I have even found them attached to student films!  

Another one that should be deleted: "cult-film."  This, too, has been attached to all kids of questionable titles.  I guess ANY film could be a "cult-film."  On student films, if your classmates, friends and family like it (because you were involved with it), I quess some think that makes it a "cult-film."  

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I wholeheartedly support the request to delete and block the keywords "movie-flop" and "blockbuster." 

I was actually planning on eventually posting the exact same request, and for the same reasons: these keywords are too subjective and the similar "box-office-bomb" is already banned.

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I'll first note that there do not appear to be any Adult titles with the 'blockbuster' keyword, as that may have been unclear from the previously posted search. As I've done some work in this area, I'll explain the criteria that have been used over the years for its inclusion: It's been added to titles that were among each year's top ten films in either domestic (U.S-Canada), international (non-U.S.) or worldwide (combined) box office, with some minor variations when there may have been a film that was close to 10th, but well ahead of #12. Usually, the result has been about 12-13 titles per year, as the three groups tend to overlap. Certainly there are instances in which someone may have added the keyword to titles where it obviously doesn't apply (sometimes even titles still awaiting release). Titles which were among the top ten box office films in one or more countries, but were not more widely successful, get the keyword 'local-blockbuster'.

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@gary_krause_dsb3tl1xamjcb​ I usually don't delete "blockbuster" as a keyword. I understand your points about what you view as proper use of the "blockbuster" keyword, but wouldn't you agree that other users have severely overused this keyword with much wider criteria for when they think it applies?

blockbuster (1361 titles)

I do often delete "movie-flop" when I see it used as a keyword. "Movie-flop" is also severely overused and is even harder to define.

Any thoughts on whether "movie-flop" should be blocked and mass-deleted?

movie-flop (798 titles) 

I don't have strong opinions about these keywords either way, but if it were up to to me, I would at least block and delete "movie-flop." How does one define what is a "flop?"

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I'll agree that flops are a LOT harder to define, as the term is usually used relative to the expectations for the movie, and its budget. A movie that cost $100 million but only took in $20 million at the box office is regarded as a flop, while a movie that cost $1 million and also grossed $20 million is a "sleeper hit". You could come up with a parameter involving budget-to-box office ratio, I suppose, but I doubt you could find a reliable way to accurately determine budgets, so it's likely a hopeless cause. I'll bring up another related issue - titles that have the keyword 'blockbuster' AND the keyword 'cult-favorite' (or a variant); these two things seem contradictory to me, as they suggest something in the cultural mainstream and something out of it. I don't think of Star Wars as a "cult favorite" simply because it has a devoted following.

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hurdy_gurdy_man
Thu, May 5, 2022
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The keyword "movie-flop" still exists.
https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=movie-flop

Can we just ban this permanently? Thank you.
https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/the-keyword-movieflop-still-exists/62740695768de216cd5cd034

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Michelle, Employee
Mon May 9 2022 
Hi hurdy_gurdy_man -
The "movie-flop" keywords you reported have now been removed from the site and blocked.
Cheers!
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Wayback Machine
http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=movie-flop

  
https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=movie-flop - 800 titles

2 hours later
https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=movie-flop - 766 titles 

2 hours later
https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=movie-flop - 215 titles

1/2 hour later
https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=movie-flop  0 titles !!

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