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Wednesday, February 15th, 2023 7:04 PM

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The addition/rejection of other genres for Western films (in particular) continues to be a huge problem:

Look at the Boetticher/Scott adult Westerns, for example:  Budd Boetticher and Randolph Scott made seven very important, psychologically complex westerns:  Buchanan Rides Alone (1958), Comanche Station (1960), Decision at Sundown (1957), Ride Lonesome (1959), 7 Men from Now (1956), The Tall T (1957) and Westbound (1958).  Despite several attempts to add the Drama  genre to these titles, IMDb has only accepted two (Buchanan Rides Alone and Comanche Station), while rejecting five (Decision at Sundown, Ride Lonesome, 7 Men from Now, The Tall T, the latter called "the best and bleakest of the Boetticher/Scott westerns" by Time Out, and Westbound).  Despite several attempts to add the Drama genre to these five titles, IMDb has stubbornly and incorrectly resisted. Please, add the Drama genre to these five titles.  

Same goes for the Anthony Mann/James Stewart Westerns, as well as many others,

This problem is indicative of a bigger problem as IMDb ignorantly resists adding other genres to Western titles, in particular, as well as other genres to other titles that meet IMDb's own genre requirements.  Westerns, in particular, also often need Action, Adventure, Romance, Music and even Musical as accurate genres.  And, it seems imperative that every Western title have Drama, Comedy or both to accurately reflect the reality. 

IMDb has been extremely inconsistent regarding this problem.  The acceptance of a submission of Drama as a genre for one Western will be followed by the rejection of Drama as a genre for the very next submission.  And, since Westerns often get remade, it is curious that one dramatic version of the SAME story may get the Drama genre while the next dramatic version of the SAME story does not. 

It just seems "hit and miss," without clarity on IMDb's part.

Please, address this problem.  It is very frustrating to see IMDb exhibit its seeming ignorance regarding the addition of accurate genres.  (IMDb is much more receptive to deleting incorrect genres, by the way.)

Genre purity and exclusivity is a rarity, so most titles may well need more than one genre

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I've just submitted the addition of Drama to The Gunfighter and The Westerner, so we'll see how that goes.

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The Gunfighter (1950) does not have Drama as a genre (although it is probably one of the most dramatic Westerns ever made), but The Westerner (1940) does.  This is just another example of IMDb's typical inconsisnency when it comes to this problem.

I have also just been noticing that, now, someone is deleting the Drama genre from some Westerns that previously HAD Drama as a genre!  Goodness, me!

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@bradley_kent​ Well, they've both gone through now (as well as The Big Country), so here's hoping you have better success with yours.

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Dating back to the ancient civilizations of antiquity (and elucidated by the ancient Greeks), narrative literature and storytelling have two "super genres": Comedy and Tragedy.  (Hence, the iconic hellenic masks of Comedy and Tragedy.) They are the two "super genres" that, through time, have evolved into Comedy and Drama.  Comedy and Drama, therefore,  precede all other genres. 

Show biz awards like the Emmys, the Golden Globes, and many others, categorize titles as Comedy or Drama.

A major Western like the Gunsmoke (1955-1975) series, for example, was nominated for and won Emmys in the "Drama" or "Dramatic Series" category.  Westerns are either a Comedy, or a Drama, or both. This is the plain, simple, obvious fact.

If IMDb is an archive of factual information, it is obliged to report the facts. It should  not pervert the facts with personal, subjective, artificially created agendas.  All Westerns are comedies, or dramas, or both.  Something "is what it is," and that fact should not be denied.

Sublime arrogance and blind ignorance are not excuses for ignoring or misrepresenting the truth. 

Please, IMDb, come to your senses.

 

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@bradley_kent​ 

What IMDb has said is that you should provide explanations or sources in your submissions.

That some edits are accepted while similar edits are declined is not unusual. Even if some items were randomly selected and rejected because further evidence is required, that would qualify as a spot check. You are of course free to keep submitting without evidence, but then you will just have to resubmit with a better explanation if the first attempt is declined.

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Varying with who is submitting corrections, sometimes evidence can be provided and corrections will be declined regardless. I don't believe the IMDb data editors can always thoroughly check out every submission within seven days' time. Sometimes they have to evaluate how much they trust the contributor and simply make a decision based off of that.

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@bradley_kent​ I agree that Westerns should almost always have another genre, as having only the single genre generally indicates the setting but not the tone. But I don't agree that all westerns must be listed as either a Comedy or a Drama; some exceptions that come to mind are Cowboys & Aliens and Ravenous.

I'll add that the Comedy genre is widely abused, as contributors often add it when simple comic relief is present; I've submitted Comedy deletions today for Little Big Man and Coogan's Bluff. (Edit: Comedy deletions rejected. Sigh...)

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The ongoing inconsistencies are absolutely astounding:

Regarding John Ford's famous cavalry trilogy, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949) has both Western and Drama as genres, but Drama is NOT an accepted genre for Fort Apache (1948) nor Rio Grade (1950).

Robert Aldrich's Ulzana's Raid (1972) has both Western and Drama, but its precursor, Apache (1954), does NOT have Drama as an accepted genre.  IMDb also DOES NOT accept Drama as a genre for Aldrich's other Burt Lancaster Western, Vera Cruz (1954).

W.R. Burnett's Frame 'Saint' Johnson novel has been filmed four time, 1932, 1937, 1940 and 1953, but ONLY the 1937 version has both Drama and Western as genres.

Jesse James (1939) has both Drama and Western as genres, but Drama is NOT an accepted genre for its sequel, The Return of Frank James (1940).

C'mon, IMDb, come to your senses.

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Go figure!  Three consecutive submissions on Tab Hunter Westerns:  Drama IS NOT accepted as a genre for Gunman's Walk, Drama IS accepted as a genre for Gun Belt, and, then, Drama is NOT accepted as a genre for The Burning Hills.  What?

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2023-02-20 02:52:44 Gun Belt (1953)
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