loves_silents's profile

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Any chance of you designating someone to whom profile photos of deceased / pre-1945 actors / actresses may be submitted?

I have run across so many Silent film era stars who have no profile foto. They're long gone and will never have a profile foto per your current Pro-account only submission policy, according to my understanding of it. 

Is there no one to whom we may submit a foto for their profiles? 

It's so sad that they are blank, when theirs are the faces by whom film was founded and formed.

Thank you for considering the request and them!

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5 years ago

Hullo,
It seems to me to be detrimental to continue insisting that you need IMDbPro to add images to dead people's profiles because there are loads of deceased actors, directors, etc. who have no living relatives or representatives and consequently they'll remain without images until you change your rules. I think it would be beneficial for IMDb to allow us to add images to their profiles without IMDbPro because it will make IMDb an even more accurate and comprehensive database.

Best wishes,
Mateja
Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Enable users to add images to dead people's IMDb profiles without IMDbPro

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I agree, but I should note that, for the time being, you can probably make suggestions right here (on GS) for dead people or distant historical figures whose profiles have been claimed by IMDb registered user accounts controlled by the IMDb staff. The problem is that we do not know which name pages exist in such a condition. Also, it might be difficult to talk the IMDb staff into creating new IMDbPro accounts to attach to the unclaimed pages of historical figures. I really do not know how or in what way the company internalizes the "cost".

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1,388 IMDb titles, 40 operas composed, 

Gioachino Rossini (1792–1868)

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006261/

And the Help desk declined to add a profile image to his page.

Fortunately, many other composers _got_ images before the policy changed, or perhaps a request fell on more charitable ears.

 

 

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It's a shame they won't add his photo.

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Can a staffer merge this thread into this one please: https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/profile-photos/5f4a79fb8815453dba9423da ?

(I assume the upvotes are added as well, presuming they're from different people).

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This earlier remark by me was made before I understood a little more about how image curation worked on IMDb.

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Are there any photos of him already on him but in which he has not yet been tagged?

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I gave them a suggestion (the poster for a biography of him, which is a painting), but there is nothing on his name page.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034131/mediaviewer/rm2922620417

I did 2 rounds with the Contact Desk, and the second answer came from Grayson: that they would not consider it, but I should post an Idea on the forum.

 

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I see. Well, hopefully a Public Broadcast Station documentary or something will be made about him someday. I appreciate your answer, bderoes.

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Bump.

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Bump.

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5 years ago

"Is there no one to whom we may submit a foto for their profiles?"
The ideal candidate for it would be either:
  1. a trustee of the deceased's estate
  2. a talent representative
  3. a member of the IMDb content staff

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So, using Jesus (of Nazareth, or the Abrahamic messiah, the Christ) as an example, most likely the profile is owned by an IMDb staff member, or otherwise a volunteer talent representative. There are many other name profiles like this, but largely only for persons or figures who died before 1880 or so.

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The images in Jesus' IMDb gallery are publicity images, not IMDbPro images, so I kind of have to retract using him as an example.

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How about a child of someone in your data base with no photo?

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There are millions of children in "our" database and with no photos.

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@jeorj_euler​ You misunderstood. My parents are both listed here with NO photo. I joined Pro years ago just to put their photo on their profile and then they were deleted by admin soon after I posted both.

The policy is ridiculous and disgusting that this site would not want or allow a photo to be included in whatever is now left of the bio

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5 years ago

Actually, if you can find images of those silent actors (possibly good screenshots) and add it to the title of the silent film they were in and once the images appear,  list all of them here, an IMDB staff member can ensure those images link to their profiles and also appear as profile photos.

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Hi, vhavnal. Judging from the responses given on this subject by IMDb staff members, the staff can't or won't adjust images uploaded directly to title galleries in such a way that the images can be applied as primary images. Presumably they merely want to sell more IMDbPro subscriptions (to fund IMDb, no doubt), but maybe the software behind IMDb is setup to so that only existing publicity images can be applied in this manner.

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actually, they refuse to adjust, that is true but if a profile has "no images", they are more than happy for any form of images being added, like that Jesus profile you mentioned earlier (pretty sure that's not Jesus cause he was a brown fella with brown eyes :p ) In previous years they have linked "free" images being added to a title that person was part of to their actual profile so i don't think that has changed provided that actor has died or was part of an era where images were hard to come by thus the silent film era. Any image taken in the US before 1948 is in the public domain so it can be used freely without worrying about copyright infringements. IMDbPro Subscriptions is ok for  "active" actors, its not like the OP wants someone to add a picture of  some new actor who has broken into the industry recently..IMDb actually has a deal with mptvimages which houses a lot of old images so if you can find a good image there of an actor who currently has no image on their profile, you can request it here.

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Thanks folks, for the links, suggestions and hits on the thread. 

Who knows, perhaps they will garner some attention :)   I'm collecting fotos of several actors and will upload them all at once, to their individual galleries.. 

You're the best!!    I am unfamiliar with mptvimages ........... sounds intriguing!  

Thank you, again! 

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So, I checked out mptv and their Lon Chaney, Sr fotos (since they didn't have anything on the more obscure actor I'm working on) and despite being from 1921 there was a watermark across the center and the following attached:

"This image is protected by international copyright laws. It may not be copied, downloaded, printed or reproduced in any manner without the express written permission of mptv. All Rights Reserved. For non editorial use, additional third party clearances may be required. Please contact an mptv representative."   

hahha  so much for public domain!   

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nah they don't own rights to those images, no one does, per US laws, any image over 70 years is in the public domain, i know this because i had been on wikimedia for over 11 years and i'm very familiar with image copyrights.

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Well, for my purposes, which are merely private research & enjoyment and nothing public, I'm not too concerned.   There's an easy way around their watermark and to be honest, they didn't have anything unique.   

Thank you, though. You just NEVER know!

:) 

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With the possible exception of the founder of IMDb, it may very well be that the only IMDb employee who has ever posted on the forum and who is also an image partner with IMDb is Trisha S. From what I've learned over the years, the originators of curated images are image partners and studio partners, the former having fewer limitations in ability to upload, and I'm only aware in full certainty of two of them, by their forum handles. On IMDb, curated images are the kind that show up in name page galleries despite not being placed there via IMDbPro, and apparently they are related to a number of discontinued programs that had or have been around for many years.

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Hey @jeorj_euler, thank you for this input!  I've seen your incredible help on other pages too.  Unrelated question for you.  I've always been curious about the "studio partners" that you mentioned.  Other than having some say in the posters and publicity photos that show up, what other abilities might they have or features might they be able to access?  For example -- similar to Wikipedia -- can they see a history of who has added what to their films?  --- Thanks!  Scott

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Hi, Scott Trimble. No. As far as I know, studio partners have no ability to view edit histories in IMDb, and this information is not shared with them, just like in general it isn't shared with IMDb contributors. The avenues to view edit histories are strictly something that IMDb staff, at least some of them, can access. The studio partners with IMDb make use of the tools provided as part of IMDb Title Scorecard, or in some cases, perhaps part of the discontinued service known as Withoutabox. Nikolay Yeriomin could tell you more about what it is like to manage the IMDb title pages linked to organizations whose corresponding company pages on IMDb are party to Title Scorecard access and have branch/employee data stored, the part that can only be viewed or edited via an IMDbPro subscription.

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3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Deceased people without photos.

How does a deceased person's profile get a primary photo (or any photo)? I'm a poll maker and this comes up a lot. I recently made a list to suggest for a poll of directors named George.

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls027647087

Directors George Sherman and George Seaton don't have photos. Is there any way to remedy this, either something that I can do myself or something the IMDb staff could do?

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I’ve asked and asked. Family members can’t even add the photos of deceased listed movie makers / actors whose credits are posted. Without opening an account. I’m not in the biz. It makes no sense. Out of respect we should be able to post a photo of these talented folks. It would keep IMDB up to date as a reliable film data source.

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3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photo and "known for" credits for long deceased Hollywood pioneer.

My grandfather has had an IMDb page since day 1.  He was a Hollywood pioneer who died in the 50s.  It makes no sense to have an IMDb PRO membership for him.   But we would like to see his photo posted and change his "known for" credits.  However the algorithm works, it missed films like Gone With The Wind and Rebecca and inserted minor Westerns that were small pictures on which he worked.  Would IMDb post a 1 time photo as a courtesy that does not expire, and allow rearranging of the "known for" credits?  This is both a question and an idea.  It would be only for inactive or longtime deceased people.

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3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can imdb allow us to add photos for deceased actors?.

I think imdb should allow us to add free photos for deceased actors/actress. Like for Satoshi Kon san. 

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3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Permanent headshots for dead colleagues.

I think this idea has been touched on before but thought I would bring it back in to discussion for 2018.

Would it be possible to pay for a one off fee to have a permanent headshot on imdb for colleagues who are sadly no longer with us?

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3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Submitting pictures of dead people, non-humans, and other non-IMDb Pro users?.

I totally understand the current rules about needing separate paid IMDb Pro accounts for photo submissions for multiple people, but I want to ask about those rare cases when having such an account would be inappropriate, but when adding pictures to their IMDb pages would still be valid.

The two best examples are dead people (such as historic figures from the silent film era) and non-human performers (such as dogs and horses).  Obviously, we wouldn't pay for an IMDb Pro account in these examples, so how does one go about submitting pictures for them?

I did this once before about 4-5 years ago for a silent movie guy, but the systems and boards have changed so much since then that I can't find the method that I used.  Any advice?

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3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Posting pictures of deceased loved ones in the Movie Business who have No picture....

I would like to know if IMDb.com is ever going to allow family members to post a picture of their deceased loved one whom was in the Movie Business anytime soon. My daughter died nearly 8 years ago come April 13th, 2016 and she still doesn't have a single picture posted on her profile yet although there are many other pictures of her all over the internet.  People come here to IMDb.com looking for her information and find No picture.  That is pretty sad indeed. 

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3 years ago

I've received a very polite comment from imdb in my email regarding this issue and it was basically "too bad, so sad" Extremely disappointing from a site I covet.

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I'm sorry to hear that, Tina Brigham Myles Ige. You're not alone, so it is what it is, or perhaps now it was what it was.

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3 years ago

Same response I received regarding my Dad. I don’t understand why they can’t allow us to upload a photo free for those who have passed. It should be in respect —— to those who in fact have built the site with their hard work and craft through films past years. Heartbreaking.

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3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled My wife, Delene (Scott) died in September - you took down her photo - NOT Happy.

My recently deceased wife's picture was missing so I used the trial pro membership and added an updated bio and add a photo. Now my membership has finished - her photo has been removed. I can't contact anyone at IMDB to discuss as I can find no email addresses that accept incoming mail.

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3 years ago

IMDB did the same with my parents photos. Both deceased and photos were removed. Makes NO SENSE running a database without DATA. SMH

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What is the point of posting this link? It does NO good to pursue. IMDB needs management decisions 

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That for inquiring about your specific case, if you haven't already and if it has anything to do with the wavier program, Publicity Photos or whatever, rather than IMDbPro.

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@jeorj_euler​ The only response I have ever received has been to join Pro which I will not do as I am merely the son of a Director (58 movies) and an Actress (36 movies)

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Hi, Reese. That's because the IMDb staff are unwilling or possibly not allowed to disclose anything other than the most appropriate means of causing IMDb name page primary images to be anything other than what would be there on a given page in the absence of an active IMDbPro subscription being associated with that given page. For any given living listed person, one of the benefits of IMDbPro is being able to adjust on a whim the image on his or her profile. None of the other "techniques" allow for so much freedom and customization, since they were never intended to serve that purpose. So, what we have are the stock images (no photograph) as placeholders, or special placeholders (actual photographs but often screenshots) that can only be replaced by IMDb staff if there is no IMDbPro image instated there.

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2 years ago

Respecting actors and artists by displaying their photos posthumously is a no brainer, yes their memories will live on through their films but iMDB should champion their memory online.

Brian Becker

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1 year ago

IMDb should prioritize changing their policies by spring of 2022 because this is absolutely unacceptable.

I understand if creating a page requires membership, and information and photos provided should be double checked for credibility. Though when people only have access to a single page and can't offer additional information to pages, it seems to be a huge oversight on IMDb's part.

I recently made a post that touches on this very topic and I hope more people add their voice to this topic to allow users to submit changes to any page without being required to have a paid account.