Problem of titles (main and alternate) on an IMDb page

Hi, I noticed several problems of titles on this IMDb page:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0000013

1- Main title:

First, the current main title is not good: « Neuville-sur-Saône: Débarquement du congrès des photographes à Lyon ».

Indeed, it’s not the one used in France (country of original release). It’s not even an alternate title, cos Neuville and Lyon are two different cities, so it sounds strange to have them both in the same sentence (we could wonder if they get off at Neuville or Lyon). In fact, they get off at Neuville for an outing, before the congress that will take place in Lyon.

After investigation, the correct title I found is: « Le débarquement du congrès de photographie à Lyon ».

Please find here after some evidence:

* From the official Lumière brothers’ library: https://catalogue-lumiere.com/debarquement-du-congres-de-photographie

* from Wikipedia: https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Débarquement_du_congrès_de_photographie_à_Lyon

* from the official poster: https://watch.plex.tv/movie/the-photographical-congress-arrives-in-lyon

* from the program of the screening organized in Paris in 1895 by the Lumière brothers:

https://marteau7927.wordpress.com/2015/12/28/28-dcembre-1895-premire-projection-payante-du-cinmatographe-des-frres-lumire

I made a contribution, but it was not handled by IMDb:

https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/update?load=210614-224548-096000

2- Alternate titles:

There are 4 French alternate titles to remove:

* One is the title to use as main title and that is currently used as « other title »: « Le débarquement du congrès de photographie à Lyon »

* Three are « undefined » titles:

a- « Le débarquement du congrès de photographie à Lyon » (duplication)

b- « Congrès des sociétés photographiques de France » (fanciful)

c- « Promenade des congressistes sur le bord de la Saône » (fanciful)

There are several reasons to remove them.

First, titles need a country of affiliation, which is not the case here. But IMDb does not allow to update undefined titles (even to add a country of affiliation). IMDb indeed asks to make a removal of the undefined title and then an addition of the title with its country. But contributions I made to remove undefined titles have often been refused by IMDb, just as the one I did here for this IMDb page (NB: it’s a real headache for contributors to correct undefined titles):

https://contribute.imdb.com/contribution/210615-084232-818000

These undefined titles are also badly displayed on the IMDb Smartphone app. We indeed find them before the original title (confusing).

And finally, these 3 titles do not need to be on IMDb:

a- One, with the attribute « new title », is the title I please ask to use as a main title and that already exists as an alternate title (duplication): « Le débarquement du congrès de photographie à Lyon »

b- The two others are fanciful (never heard about them before) and should not be used as alternate titles. It’s « Congres des sociétés photographiques de France » (« Congress of French photographers » in English), because the short is not about the Congress itself but the descent from the boat. It’s also « Promenade des congressistes sur le bord de la Saône » (« Walk for delegates on the banks of the Saône » in English), because we do not see them go for a walk but get off from a boat.

Here is the short documentary from 1895 (less than 1 minute), if you want to check:

https://youtu.be/46pMWTnDVeE

Thanks for your help.

NB: This contribution is also the opportunity for me to make a general suggestion for « undefined » titles (titles without any country of affiliation). I do not understand why IMDb does not allow to correct these items, as you can see here below:

It’s all the more complicated that, when we follow this guideline of addition/deletion (as IMDb requests), the 2 contributions are handled separately by IMDb teams and the deletion of the « undefined » item is often rejected (with « Unable to verify » reason). So, the « undefined » items stay eternally, even when we add in parallel the item with the correct country of affiliation and attribute. In addition, there is a bad display on IMDb Smartphone app for these undefined items (see my screenshot here above). I have already told that to IMDb team through a dedicated post, but the problem still remains: https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/imdb-app-iphone-ipad/bad-display-of-alternative-titles-without-country-of-affiliation/603f9281a64ba8090104b09f

I talked about that with another IMDb contributor, «@forthehorde », who is though very skilled and active on IMDb, and he noticed the same problem. He explained to me that these « undefined » items are created when someone tries to change the main title of a page on IMDb and IMDb rejects his contribution. But he also says: « I agree with you ; it’s so hard to correct these. They (IMDb teams) always decline them ». Can you please find a sustainable solution?