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380 Points
please change 'original title' to 'working title' or 'pre-release title'
I would like to have an error with my film entry corrected. this has been an ongoing issue for many years but is still displaying a factually inaccurate result on the IMDB website. Both the initial release date and the film original title are incorrect.
this is the entry https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5704606/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
the film in its finished version (with licensed music and all rights cleared) was premiered at the hot docs film festival in 2017 under the title A Cambodian Spring. https://www.northernirelandscreen.co.uk/news/general/cambodian-spring-world-premiere-hot-docs/ and there is many more examples of third party websites that can prove this fact.
While the film was in development it had a working title of 'The Cause of Progress' (or it could be defined as a pre-release title under your rules https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/titles/alternate-titles-akas/GBFBWTQG2RLMHSUR?ref_=helpsect_pro_4_8#)
this work in progress / unfinished film, with unlicensed music was screened once as a test screening at a film festival in the UK in 2016, and the festival website clearly shows that this was not an official premiere of a completed film https://sheffdocfest.com/films/6090 as the premiere status indicates 'none'
after the screening, this version of the film was substantially altered, and an entire character story comprising one entire third of the films running length was removed, meaning the film that screened in 2017 was a totally different film. As additional evidence of this, there was also an original soundtrack composed for the new film https://www.residentadvisor.net/reviews/23348
Additionally to that, the character that was removed from the work in progress edit has had her story shaped into another film, which is titled The Cause of Progress, which means there is actually another film in existence with that title which is due to be released next year.
this incorrect information has caused the film unnecessary harm by displaying an incorrect release date (making it ineligible for certain festivals and awards) and it has continually displayed incorrect information, such as implying that awards were nominated for 'the cause of progress' as can be seen here https://www.imdb.com/name/nm8128740/awards?ref_=nm_awd
IMDB have not been willing to correct this mistake, or provide evidence that has informed their decisions, i would appreciate if a member of staff could correct this,
thanks,
Chris
chris_gihjebtd34005
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380 Points
5 years ago
Hi Karen,
there are so many, ill send them in reverse chronological order
200930-131608-373200
201002-074708-062000
201001-131001-263000
201001-112305-546000
200930-133218-796000
200930-130911-479000
200930-130422-794000
200930-125806-923000
191029-113417-483000
171202-140459-327000
171202-135736-505000
170719-095802-284000
170704-145321-796000
170607-133036-417000
170522-093900-444000
ive been provided absolutely no evidence whatsoever to backup the claims made by IMDB staff, and ive provided numerous proof, following their own guidelines about alternate and working titles, but still they are insisting incorrectly that the films original title was The Cause of Progress, and not acknowledging that this was a working title / pre-release title that was not associated with the finished film as it was first screened to the public in 2017. it is very frustrating that they insist on perpetuating this inaccuracy.
thanks,
Chris
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Grayson
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11.2K Points
5 years ago
Hi Chris,
Thank you for sharing your concerns with us.
Our aim is to be the most complete and reliable source of movie, TV, and entertainment information on the web. In order to continue offering our users an accurate and trustworthy service, it is our policy not to alter or delete any kind of correct/factual information from our records.
We believe the data listed is factual, as such we cannot remove this as requested.
Thank you for your understanding.
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jeorj_euler
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226.1K Points
5 years ago
Hi, Chris. Just to note, your objective here isn't to prove your claims to the IMDb site authorities but rather the portion of the IMDb Community that isn't employed by Amazon/IMDb.
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chris_gihjebtd34005
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380 Points
5 years ago
Karen to answer your question, no the film was not screened at Sheffield. We showed an unfinished version of a different film, which after the screening was cut into two different films, one is called The Cause of Progress, and one is called A Cambodian Spring.
These projects took nine years to complete, it was originally going to be one film called 'the cause of progress' which contained all of the story elements of A Cambodian Spring, as well as the story and characters in The Cause of Progress. There were previously three separate plot lines that we intercut (which references the 'three people' in our original synopsis from back in 2013) and then we removed one of the plot lines from the film and introduced a second lead character from one of the remaining plot lines, so by coincidence we kept the same synopsis of 'three people caught up'
We screened the work in progress at Sheffield in 2016, with unlicensed music, and with the premiere status as 'none' according to the festival.
after this screening and based on audience feedback, we cut the film into two different films, one was called A Cambodian Spring, the other retained the name The Cause of Progress, and we went on to release A Cambodian Spring in May 2017 where it had its world premiere at the Hot Docs Festival.
these are two totally different films, with different characters and different plots and scenes, they are both about land rights in Cambodia, but they are fundamentally different films.
what is also the case is that The Cause of Progress is a fundamentally different film than A Cambodian Spring because it also contains completely different scenes, characters, plots, music, overall duration etc, it is factually inaccurate to say that A Cambodian Spring is the same film as The Cause of Progress or that it's original release title was The Cause of Progress.
I happily admit that the working title / work in progress title was always The Cause of Progress, but that has never been acknowledged by IMDB either - if they would change it to that i would be happy.
Karen, to answer your other question " then why did Chris not simply make a second title and leave the first one behind?
we did not decide right away what to do with the footage from The Cause of Progress, so actually we changed the name on IMDB to A Cambodian Spring, because we knew that we would work with these characters and reshape their story and try to release that film instead. so instead of leaving the TCP page i changed it to ACS because that was going to be our focus and we would deal with TCP later.
After the screening in June 2016 we spent months working with an editor cutting the film into its finished form, with new characters and scenes added, and a whole plot line and set of characters removed, an entirely new OST added. Months of work went into shaping the film.
Perhaps if i had simply just created a new page for ACS and left the TCP one alone then none of this would have happened, even so it is fundamentally untrue to say that the film that was screened in 2017 at Hot Docs is the same as the one shown at Sheffield, which is the point that i am disputing.
it is unclear to me what information IMDB are using to make their decisions.
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