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INTRODUCING: Contribution Updates to Release Date Attributes

INTRODUCING: Contribution Updates to Release Date Attributes

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We’re excited to announce that we have added additional functionality in our submission system, with support for Release Type attribute selections. When submitting a Release Date you will now be required to include an attribute and will be presented with a curated menu selection.

For further details on how to contribute, please see our guide here: Release Dates

Thanks as always for all your feedback – please feel free to post your questions and comments to this thread.

 

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Submission form is still same for me. When will we see it? How do we add a festival name with this for example? I guess "Additional information" box is where we add it but I hope the ability to browse existing names was not removed? Because that's how I choose festival names, looking from existing attributes and choosing the most used one.

Also added guide text says: "For example, when submitting a movie, the following release types will be available:" but the table lists all types for all title types. So saying "when submitting a movie, the following release types will be available" doesn't look right.

And "Updated" date in the guide is not updated.

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Guide says:

"...we indicate it via a (premiere) attribute..."

Your examples show:

- (Los Angeles, California) (premier)

- (Toronto International Film Festival) (premier)

Can you fix the inconsistency? "premiere" (with e) should be the correct attribute.

Also your screenshots on "How to" section do not reflect the change.

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The field browser with festival names is not there.

Edit: It's there now.

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Hi @mbmb​ & @Peter_pbn -

Thanks for reporting, these guide updates have now been made and the changes should display shortly!

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@Michelle​ Any info on availability to everyone?

Also like stated, this could be confusing: "For example, when submitting a movie, the following release types will be available:"

Because there's "TV Series" types listed right under "following release types will be available" when it says "a movie"

A wording like "when submitting a release date, the following release types will be available depending on the title type" could be better imo.

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3 months ago

It isn't stated how to add more than one attribute such as (Toronto International Film Festival) (premiere), but it looks like we can add them manually in the Additional Information field.

It looks like "Broadcast on TV" adds the attribute "TV release" even when submitting to a TV title. The existing logic was to leave the attribute blank for a default TV release on a TV title just as you would leave it blank for a theatrical release on a feature film title. I understand this as a policy change and not just added functionality in the update form.

The guidelines still include the section about the "video premiere" and "TV premiere" attributes, but I wonder if it is outdated when the new release type options suggest attributes like "DVD" and "TV release".

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2 months ago

The new Release Date submission system adds a "TV release" attribute TO TELEVISION TITLES. Absolutely ridiculous. TV movies and episodes of TV series, did not necessitate an attribute indicating they were in fact released on TV before and they shouldn't now, it is a given, like how it is a given that a feature film received a theatrical release, unless otherwise noted by an attribute.

Please fix this IMMEDIATELY. As one of IMDB's topmost contributors, I add A LOT of release dates for TV movies and episodes, I do not want to have to go back and correct them all if this takes ages to fix.

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Hi, thanks for your feedback and sorry for the delay in replying to you. Currently the addition of 'TV release' to TV type titles should have no effect on the way you contribute data.

We are constantly looking for ways to better represent our data. As the way we consume content is ever changing, we feel that clarifying our release date information is important both for contributors, like yourself, and general users of the site.

Rest assured you will not need to go back and correct anything.

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@Dominic​ 

What's odd is that new items will have the "TV release" attribute while older items representing the same type of release will have no attribute.

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Hi, we were aware that release dates contributed since the change would have the attribute and those before would not, we have a plan for updating these. However in the interim we have revert these to the previous state, i.e. no attribute signally a wide release on TV.

Again there should be no need to change your contributions, or modify anything previously submitted as this has been backfilled.

Thanks for comments

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@Dominic​ Good. "no attribute signally a wide release on TV" - This is how it should be. Please do not have a plan to change things up and add atributes where they aren't needed. Leave this is as it is.

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@jean_morel​ 

I guess casual users may better understand an entry with an attribute than without one. It makes it clear that it was on TV and not just streaming. Based on Dominic's reply I am guessing that is IMDb's motivation.

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@Peter_pbn​  Your guess is correct, thanks (as usual :-)

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2 months ago

I saw this new format tonight when I added a new date to The Earth Dies Screaming.  And right away, there is a big problem!!!

While I can now add what type of release it was, using the new drop-down menu, there was *no place for me to add the city*!  Always I have been able to add the city (e.g., The Earth Dies Screaming opened in Paducah, KY, as verified on newspapers.com).  But now there was no place to put that information into the form.  (I included the information in my reasoning, but there was no place to put it into the form.)  So, though my changed date was accepted almost right away, the city "Paducah, KY" is not showing.  This is a loss of information for IMDb fans.

I hope and pray that IMDb is not going to go through the tens of thousands of city/state entries and delete them from the site!!!  IMDb fans like myself have devoted thousands of hours collectively to determining and providing city/state information for the dates they provide.  And as a user, I *want* to see that information continued!!!  

I have nothing against the inclusion of "release type", but it should be *after* the city/state information on the form, not *instead of* the city/state information!!!  If this is an unintended error, please bring back the column for adding city and state.  On the other hand, if it was a policy decision by IMDb staff, it was a BAD policy decision and should be reversed IMMEDIATELY.  

Incidentally, "release type" is not that helpful as an additional category, since it was ALWAYS possible to put the information (e.g., premiere) in parentheses after the date.  And in fact the new categories are TOO RESTRICTIVE, since they only allow you to put "At a festival", whereas before you could put "(Vienna Film Festival) which is more precise.

Someone at IMDb was not thinking clearly when they made this change!

I have a suggestion for future changes of this type.  You have the emails of all the regular contributors to IMDb.  Suppose that every time you consider a major format change, you send out an automated mass e-mail survey to all experienced IMDb users (who have contributed, say, over 100 changes), and ask them what they think of the current format, whether they would like to see any changes to it, and what they would think of a proposal to change it in such and such a way.  Most would not respond, but those who would respond would be the most intelligent and articulate IMDb users, the ones who care the most about presenting maximum information clearly.  Then you could get intelligent feedback *before* making any change, rather than answering criticism afterward.     

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You can select "Other" and then enter a city.

After selecting "At a festival" you can enter the festival name.

If you are not seeing these options there could be a display problem.

Perhaps "A specific city" should be a separate option, though.

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Dear Peter_pbn:

I just a few minute ago tried your advice for "Hang 'Em High" (1968).  IMDb has the date, and the country Canada, but did not have the city (Calgary, Alberta, verified by checking the actual newspaper announcement on newspapers.com).  I found that I could enter a city/province by selecting "Other", but then I could not *also* select a release type; I could do one or the other, but not both.

This showing, it turns out, was a very limited release -- only in Calgary, only for that special midnight holiday show (July 1st is the Canadian holiday, so after midnight June 30 is a holiday show), and nowhere else in the world on that date.  The general release in the USA was much later.  I can use your new category to indicate this limited release, but then I have to sacrifice the city and province information.

Now, compare the old way, where I could enter:

Canada          June 30, 1968              (Calgary, Alberta) (limited release)

Under the old system, I could show *four pieces of information*; now I can only show *three*.  So how is this new form an *improvement*?  

Further, most IMDb users are not going to realize that they can put the city in under "Other"; the category is "Release *Type*" nor "Release *Location*", and I would not have thought to enter the city by using "Other" if you had not told me.  The instructions in the new system are *not clear*.

There is a very simple solution to this.  Change the form so that it has *4* columns:

Country             Release Date            City/State or Province     Release Type

-- and use your new drop-down menu for the fourth column.

Simple.  Commonsense.  Easy for IMDb users to understand.  And it should not be hard to make the change -- no harder than making the change IMDb *did* make.

I urge you to adopt a modified, 4-column form such as the above, *or else* simply go back to the old system where "Release Type) was put in parenthetically after the City/State.

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As the guidelines have always said, when the release is specific to one city you should put the city in the attribute, whereas "limited" is only for releases in "more than one or two geographical locations". So there was never any reason to use both.

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2 months ago

It's not possible to correct bad attributes with this? For example TV Premiere attribute from Norway date here should be removed: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15711284/releaseinfo

But I can't do it anymore:

Moreover, let's assume that date was wrong and if I tried to change it, I couldn't do that as well:

Likewise, I removed the bad attribute from Chile release date here before this new submission form launched: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11198334/releaseinfo
But the contributor added the bad attribute again (and somehow it's approved) and I can't remove it now (someone from Chile adds poorly formatted attributes like this to both theatrical movies and shows a lot as I occasionally correct release dates from Chile, I think they think attribute field must be filled with something always no matter what)

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You can choose "Broadcast on TV", although as mentioned above this adds the "TV release" attribute.

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@Col_Needham​ Anything about the TV Movie/TV Episode issue Col?

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Hi @jean_morel sorry for not responding to your original comment earlier. I have responded above

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2 months ago

Can this be added to the new episode pages too. I've wanted that for an age, put the drop-down menu where the red ring is possibly?

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@VonPunk​ Why do you feel that's better?

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It is odd that there is no attribute field there at all.

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@jean_morel​ So I don't have to ignore that section and trigger the release date on the larger contribution form just to add the 'internet' attribute and so I don't have to edit the release dates about a 100+ times a month to add attributes for other people's contributions that didn't bother doing that. The more accurate the release dates from the episode addition to the site/less corrections that need to be made the better,

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Thanks for your suggestion, I have passed this on to the relevant team.