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Improper genre keywords - "auditing" help needed from the community

Hello IMDb community,

Over the past several months, @bradley_kent and I have spent countless hours "auditing" dozens of improper genre-infused keywords. Fortunately, those keywords have now been blocked by IMDb staff. I will post the full list below. (These keywords are improper under the guideline that says "repeating genres" in keywords is not allowed.) 

A few improper keywords remain. We could use the community's help in "auditing" these few remaining keywords, so that they can be deleted and blocked by IDMb staff.

Here is the list of genre keywords that still need to be fully "audited." For each of these keywords, I will post links to the titles that have these keywords but not the corresponding genre. (There is no need to "audit" titles where the keywords and genre already match -- those will be taken care of when IMDb staff delete and block the keywords..)

Improper genre keywords to audit

historic

historical

musica

mystery-story

news-show

reality-show

✅  reality-television 

television-talk-show

tv-game-show

tv-news-show

tv-talk-show

Improper Family genre keywords to audit

children's-program  

children's-show  

childrens-show  

children's-television

children's-television-show

✅ children's-tv-show 

for-kids  

✅ kids-show  

✅ kids-television-show  

kids-tv  

✅ kids-tv-show 

kids-video  

For many of these titles at these searches, the solution is to add the corresponding genre and delete the keyword. For others, the solution is to delete the genre keyword and add a keyword like "historic-building" or "historical-figure" or "period-piece" or "real-game-show-shown-in-fictional-situation" or "fictional-tv-talk-show" or "fictional-reality-tv-show" or "character-appears-on-a-tv-talk-show" or "reality-tv-filmmaking" or "reality-tv-show-as-subject," etc.

The auditing is further along on some of these keywords than others. The biggest remaining keyword is "historical," which currently shows 399 titles at that link.

If we can reduce the number of titles at any of these links down to zero, then we can ask IMDb staff to delete and block the keywords so they can't be used again.

If anyone is able to help "audit" any of these keywords, please respond to this thread. Thank you very much.

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Here is the full list of improper genre keywords that have already been audited, deleted, and blocked from IMDb:

2nd-short-film
action-film
action-films
action-movie
adult-film
adult-movie
adults-only
animated-film
animated-movie
animated-tv-show
animation-film
animation-movie
best-new-short-films
best-short-film
best-short-films-ever
best-thriller-short-film
bio
bio-pic
biograph
biographical
biopic
children's-film
cinematic-short-film
comedia  (Spanish, Portuguese)
comedic
comedie   (French)
comedy-film
comedy-movie
commedia  (Italian)
crime
crime-movie
crime-show
documentaire (French)
documental (Spanish)
documentaries
documentary
documentary-films
dokumentation (German)
drama-film
dramas
family-film
family-movie
fantasy
fantasy-film
fantasy-show
film-document
film-documentary
film-for-children
film-noir-genre
films-short
game-shows
gameshow
historic-movie
history
horror-film
horror-films
horror-genre
horror-movie
horror-shows
horror-tv-show
kids-family
latestshortfilm
life-story
lifestory
mistery
movie-war
movies-short
music
music-film
music-show
musical
musical-film
musical-films
musical-show
mystery-film
new-short-film
new-short-films
noir
reality-tv-show
romance-film
romantic-movie
sad-short-film
science-fiction
short
short--film
short-film-2020
short-film-project
short-film-series
short-films
short-movie
short-subject
shortfilm
shortmovie
si-fi
sport
sports
sports-film
sports-movie
talk
talk-shows
talk-talk
talk-talk-talk
talkshow
theatrical-short
thriller-movie
thrilller
tv-reality
tv-reality-show
war
war-film
war-movie
wars
western-film
western-genre
western-movie

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Additional genre keywords that have been deleted and blocked:

best-short-horror-films
children's

children's-program 
children's-programing

children's-programme

children's-programming

children's-series 

childrens-show
children's-television 
childrens'-television
children's-television-show

children's-tv-show 

for-kids

historic

horror-movies

kids-show

kids-television-show

kids-tv

kids-tv-show 

kids-video

movies-short

musica
news-show

reality-television

scienceficton

science-fiction-film 

science-fiction-tv 

television-talk-show

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I just worked on a few

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@Pencho15​ Thank you for your efforts.

I just got a chance to use two interesting keywords on this episode of "The X-Files."

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@keyword_expert​ Historic is ready to go.

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@Pencho15​ Awesome, Pencho!  And I just finished "television-talk-show." I will ask for both of them to be deleted and blocked.

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@Pencho15 @bradley_kent 

I have added check marks next to the keywords that have been fully audited, deleted, and blocked.

I have also added a couple additional genre keywords to the list at the top of this thread.

The "historical" keyword is a daunting project. That keyword will need help from the entire community. 

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I just did for kids. It was only three titles so it was an easy one.

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@Pencho15​ Thank you. I added several additional Family genre keywords to the list at the top of the post. I have also made a fair amount of progress in "auditing" these keywrods.

Here are some good keywords for use on titles that don't actually fit the Family genre but rather include a children's show within the plot:

watching-a-children's-tv-show

children's-tv-show-as-subject

fictional-children's-tv-show

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@bradley_kent @Pencho15 

I have narrowed down all the disguised Family genre keywords to 2 keywords with a total of less than 10 titles remaining that have not yet been audited.

At this point I have reached the limits of my capabilities of researching these titles (and I haven't personally viewed any of the titles, so I am not familiar with their plots).

Any thoughts on the final "auditing" of these 2 keywords?

children's-program  

children's-show  

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@keyword_expert​ I am not familiar with those titles either, and their plots show nothing that may help determine the correct keyword.

Perhaps the best is deleting them so they can be blocked and then let someone else to add an adequate keyword in the future.

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@Pencho15​ In the past, @bradley_kent has said he has rented DVDs from the public library in order to track down proper keywords. I don't believe I have ever gone to that length, but I have frequently tracked down plot descriptions on the Internet and even movies themselves where they appear for free on sites like YouTube and Vimeo. 

Since the numbers of remaining titles for the Family genre keywords are so low, I may be willing to track down copies of some of these films to figure out the proper keywords, including Mr. Kent's method of renting DVDs from the public library. I just haven't been able to get to that lately, but maybe soon. 

I do want to try to exhaust every avenue with these keywords before calling the audit finished. Mr. Kent convinced me a while back that this is the proper approach for disguised genre keywords -- especially for titles where the genre itself rather than the genre keyword should have been applied.

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@keyword_expert Musica is ready to go.

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@Pencho15​ Thank you for that. I will make sure it gets deleted and blocked.

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I just found a potential problem with auditing the historical keyword.

This title is a TV Episode showing the history of an English king in the 11th century.

The keyword historical should be deleted and the genre history should be added. 

However, since this is an episode, I am not allowed to add a new genre, different to that accepted for the whole series.

And history is not a valid genre for the whole ITV PLay of the Week.

I was considering changing historical for english history in the keywords, but I wanted to check first if you agree.

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@Pencho15

That is a good idea. I think "english-history" works well.

Here are some other good keywords for that episode. In fact, all of these could be used:

history-episode (38 titles)

biography-episode (110 titles)

european-history (273 titles)

historical-figure (116 titles)

historical-event (763 titles)

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It is done, altought the keyword will be hard to audit. It is included in many Indian and Chinese silent films that don't even have a plot.

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@Pencho15​ You are right that the keyword "historical" is hard to audit. I have managed to get the number of titles down from 400  (plus new titles added along the way) down to 320 by picking some of the low-hanging fruit. It will become even harder to audit this keyword as it progresses. 

One thing I have learned for this keyword is it's often as easy as converting "historical" to either "period-piece" or "historical-fiction" (or both).

I found this helpful definition of "period piece":

"a period piece specifically refers to a film, TV series, or miniseries that is set during an earlier time."

So that will often come up for fictional titles that currently have the "historical" keyword.

Some drama-specific similar keywords are "period-drama" and "historical-drama" (although those two keywords are probably synonyms/duplicates). 

I will keep working on the "historical" keyword in my spare time. Thanks for any help you can provide.

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@Pencho15 

I have managed to audit the "historical" keyword from where it started (around 400 titles) down to 200 titles.

The auditing will be even more difficult and time-consuming from here.

As you have noted, this keyword was applied to many Chinese films from nearly 100 years ago with no plot summaries, making it pretty difficult to understand the context of each film. And there are even more undefined Indian films from that era with the "historical" keyword.

Fortunately, for the Indian films, I found a website that helps research some of these older films. In many cases, this website has the only plot summaries I can find of these older Indian titles. https://www.indianfilmhistory.com/

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@keyword_expert​ What a fantastic page, I'll like for something similar for the Chinese films. There might be in their language but who knows.

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Children's Program is ready to go.

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Besides children's-program above, children's-television above is also ready to go

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@Pencho15​ Good work. 

Here is another one:

children's-television-show

Some relevant keywords I have been using on some of these titles:

family-filmmaking (36 titles)

tv-show-within-a-tv-show (70 titles)

fictional-tv-show (217 titles)

fictional-tv-show-host (1 title)

fictional-children's-tv-show (14 titles)

fictional-children's-tv-show-host (3 titles)

fictional-children's-show-host (2 titles)

children's-show-host (10 titles)

children's-game-show (16 titles

children's-television-show-host (21 titles)

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@keyword_expert​ I got to watch an entire YouTube short series and a spoof on some 80s cartoons while auditing, always a chance to discover something new.

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@Pencho15​ Thank you! I will add it to the pending list of "to be blocked" keywords here

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@Pencho15 @bradley_kent 

A few more genre-infused keywords have now been deleted and blocked:

best-short-horror-films (2 titles)

children's-programing (2 titles)

children's-television-show (33 titles)

news-show (26 titles)