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IMDb has *two* "David Charles" in the cast credits of "The Queen and the Coup (2020)"

Could someone check this, please?

IMDb has *two* "David Charles" in the cast credits for:

The Queen and the Coup (2020)

The exact on-screen credit is:

"ADDITIONAL BRITISH

VOICES

David Charles"

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Hey - anyone with a free IMDb account is able to make an update to fix incorrect information on the site. Here's a help guide on making corrections:

 

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/correcting-existing-data/GPFQGX9CFSHW5YUX

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Thank you for replying.

I do actually have several reasons why I did not follow that advice.

1) One of the David Charles has "The Queen and the Coup (2020)" as his only IMDb credit. So, I would be required to assume that the other David Charles is correct. I would have to delete the David Charles with just one credit. However, I sometimes have difficulty getting existing IMDb data corrected/deleted (the dreaded declined, unable to verify).

2) Despite the above, I submitted an addition of David Charles and checked the box that says "I am not sure - submit it as 'Charles, David' and let IMDb staff decide." I got the declined, unable to verify.

3) The reason that I did the above is that somehow two David Charles got into IMDb and I assumed that IMDb would  welcome the opportunity to check this. That is also why I posted here. By "someone" in my original post, I should have said that I meant someone at IMDb (I didn't mean some other contributor).

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This thread has now been marked as Solved, so it's unlikely an employee will respond again.

Do you _know_ which David Charles is correct? Never safe to ass-u-me.

If you're sure the singleton David Charles is the incorrect one, I'd recommend doing a name merge instead of a delete, and in the explanation box point out that the credit is already on the destination name.

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I completely agree with the ass-u-me [ :-) ] that's why I made it part of point 1).

Thanks for the heads-up, I hadn't noticed the blue "Solved" notation until you mentioned it. I'll be on the look-out in the future.

Also, thanks for reminding me about name-merge; it may be helpful in the future.

I do think it's interesting that two David Charles somehow made it into IMDb for the same movie.

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If you don't know which David Charles is correct, I'd encourage you to submit a request to delete the credit for the one that has other credits on his page. (Be sure to point out the duplicate in the explanation box, of course.) 

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Hi!

Thanks for your suggestion. However, I seem to remember that IMDb wants us to respect our fellow contributors. I should have mentioned that the credit for the David Charles that has other credits has the correct "(additional voices)" attribute.

Also, the one-credit David Charles is "Charles, David (XXIX)".

So, I _really_ wanted IMDb to decide, but apparently IMDb did not "welcome the opportunity..." :-)

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So you're going to let it sit this way? And torture the next person who notices it, wants to fix it, and ...

Let's try this:

@Grayson 

Can you come back, read the discussion, and weigh in on which credit should be removed?

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bderoes,

I apologize for my indecision. Thanks for taking the time that you've devoted to this.

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bderoes,

I emailed IMDb and they took care of it.

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But now he has no character name.

Will you edit to make it "additional British voices"?

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Yes, it's very strange because it _has_ (additional voices)  in the attribute field. I've seen the attribute (voice) displayed with no character name on another title; in that case, the actress had an on-screen credit as narrator and I successfully added the narrator character. I'm submitting what you suggested.

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Hi bderoes,

You probably recall that IMDb _really_ hates "voice" anywhere in the character name; I'm submitting Self with (additional voices) attribute. IMDb absolutely rejected any attribute that did not already exist.

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Looks like your contribution has been accepted.

I _don't_ see the attribute on the title page, but it _is_ there in Edit mode.

I haven't seen this show, but based on your screenshot above, I disagree with character Self for both David Charles and Larry Wayne. I infer from their credits that they are reading/playing various characters (albeit real-life ones, perhaps), something like Tom Hanks might do in a documentary.

Freedom: A History of US(TV Series documentary)
Abraham Lincoln / Charles E. Wood / Jacob Coxey / ...

-Whose Land Is This?(2003) ... Charles E. Wood
-Working for Freedom(2003) ... Jacob Coxey
-Wake Up America(2003) ... Reporter
-Liberty for All(2003) ... Daniel Boone
-Independence(2003) ... Paul Revere
-A War to End Slavery(2003) ... Abraham Lincoln
-A Fatal Contradiction(2003) ... Abraham Lincoln
IMDb claims to want the credit just as it appears onscreen. Just tick off the checkbox when it gives you a warning.
You can cite the url for this thread for the screenshot to justify those changes.
Be sure to copy/paste the justification in for each credit changed.
BTW, D.Charles says "Additional...". That implies that someone else has a credit for British Voices.

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Thanks, I forgot that I could use the URL of this thread in the explanation.

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I submitted what you suggested (the exact on-screen credits) with the URL of the top level of this thread.

BTW :-)

The Self characters (historians and interview subjects) are identified on-screen when they appear.

The only cast credit list is the end credits and those credits are only for Narrator, immediately followed by the voice credits in the screen grab.

Perhaps the "additional" refers to any British voice not already identified.