Hi, i am trying to add my daughter to Cast of New Wicked Film, it keeps getting declined

Good Morning Maya, 

thanks for your reply

Meesha was a Dancer and Singer, in the Credits, she is only shown in the chorus at the moment,

IMDb update receipt #241128-063412-286000

I have proof of Credit, Payslips, On Screen Stills, behind the scenes, what proof would you like? this has been really frustrting, i have submitted about 8 times, and only ever get told doesnt meet guidelines, If you Check, you should know who Meesha is the famous "RED BERET GIRL" from the New Matilda film :-) many thanks Keith Garbett

Hi @KeithGarbett1978,

Thank you for your problem report.

I can confirm the reason for your credit addition requests being declined, is because the credit you're trying to contribute does not belong in the cast section of the title page's credits. As the on-screen credit you have provided evidence of features in a different section from the cast in the film's end credits, it needs to be submitted as an "Additional Crew" credit.

Please let us know if you experience any other issues related to this credit, and we can provide further support.

I hope this helps!

Hi Ozzy, but she is also a Dancer in the film too, She is in the Gillikin Family and is in the second film too, but for some reason as she also sings, they put the credit in Chorus, before dancers

She 100% is a CAST member?

Hi @KeithGarbett1978,

IMDb lists credits based on the end-credits of a title. As stated in our Credit Eligibility FAQ:

We list credits as they appear on screen, regardless of what job was performed(...)

Please also see our Help article on providing evidence for credits for additional guidance on credit verification.

Cheers!

@Ozzy​ Hi Ozzy, i understand that, but the Credit for "No one Mourns the Wicked" is titled "Chorus" who says that Chorus is not cast but dancer is? especially when Chorus was put first as they were more important, not all the dancers sang like Meesha did? also how can you then have "UNCREDITED" people in the listing of the CAST? that makes ZERO sense...

@Ozzy​ Sorry your last post doesnt make sense either, as you can see... CHORUS is listed before the dancers even? as they were more important? so how is that NOT a CAST MEMBER? 

@Ozzy​ Meesha has done 3 other Universal Films already, what would you like to see from them to "PROVE" that she is a cast member?

@Ozzy​ I just looked "additional Crew" is for production assistant/cordinator/staff accountant researcher etc... Not for "CAST MEMBERS WHO SING?" thats what the word CHORUS MEANS? 

Hi @KeithGarbett1978,

If the credit you are trying to add did not appear in the main cast section of the on-screen end credits - which we've verified starts with Cynthia Erivo and ends with Stephen Stanton - it does not belong in the cast department on the IMDb title page, and should be submitted as an "Additional Crew" credit with the appropriate informational attribute, e.g. "(chorus/dancer: 'name of section')".

Additional Crew is a department that covers many occupations or roles completed on a title, you will see that other dancers are credited in this section on this title. I can also see that you have successfully submitted this credit to the title page, and it is now appearing in the Additional Crew section of the title credits and on your daughter's IMDb page.

Please let us know if you experience any other filmography-related issues.

Thanks!

Thanks for your help, just annoying that additional cast for Wicked doesnt show up when you google her name, like all her other movies, Matilda, Hobbs and Shaw, Cats and Jingle Jangle, (i will get her credit changed so that it does, as she was a main family member)

I have another question, she is in another film (Main Character) so no issues there, due for release, some actors its showing already, (meesha's name is in main credits) Meesha's again doesnt show when you google it? film is called "savage flowers" its in "post production" 

@Ozzy​ 

"If the person is in-front of the camera or providing their voice, then they are considered Cast"

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/cast-acting-credits-guidelines/GH3JZC74FVYKKFMD

Earlier posts here also suggest that dancers as well as extras credited separately from the main cast could be approved as cast:

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/why-were-my-additions-of-the-dancers-in-cinderella-declined/62d309397f73467a95ed1d90

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/for-some-reason-imdb-decline-most-of-my-cast-additions-for-basically-credited-extras/65b005aab2f5be641b4cedbf

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/saving-mr-banks-2013-extras/65219a41e82d554bfb134426

@Ozzy​ Sorry Ozzy, i know you will be finding me annoying now,

how come there are other people showing in cast as "uncredited" Skylar Blue Copeland as example (was similar role to Meesha, Meesha's was actually larger as Main Gillikin family member, you have the next person on IMDB cast "Grecia de la Paz" down as Gillikin family member "spelt incorrectly!) (i have a picture from story board even showing) she was in the credits at the same place under Chorus, i would prefer Meesha to show in cast as Uncredited as they it shows on a search that she was in the film, (this is the whole purpose of IMDB i believe for most actors)

so please can you let me know how i can change the credit to Match Skylar Blu Copleland, or let me know how to? many thanks

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@Peter_pbn​ Thankyou Peter, 100% She sings and is Seen on screen multiple times, Annoying when "uncredited" people get put in Cast, Meesha is in the Credits under Chorus for "No One Mourns the Wicked"

Hi @KeithGarbett1978​ -

I'm confirming the proper credit handling for "Chorus" credits with our policy team and will follow-up here with the information shortly.

@Michelle​ Many thanks Michelle :-)

Hi @KeithGarbett1978,

As previously mentioned, this credit should remain in the "Additional Crew" section. This is because the cast list on an IMDb title page should be determined by how the main cast are listed in the on-screen end credits. This distinction supersedes additional criteria noted in our guidelines on most occasions. As @Peter_pbn has highlighted, there are very rarely exceptions made, but this is where the e.g. dancers, chorus, extras are immediately credited below the cast section in the end-credits, and not separated by a significant amount of crew members. The guidelines will shortly be updated to represent such edge cases, and make the above distinction more clear.

Whilst we appreciate this is frustrating, such guidelines are required to accurately represent factual data. A recent similar example can be found in Elemental (2023), with the end-credits featuring "additional voice" credits that could not be featured in the main cast section on the title page, because they did not appear in that section in the on-screen credits.

I will also look to verify the end-credits further to review whether there are any incorrect names listed as "(uncredited)" in the title page's cast section. If any are found to be wrongly departmentalized, I will correct them.

I hope this helps!

@Ozzy​ OK i understand, but how come there are still 22 People in Main cast that are "Uncredited" 

Hi @KeithGarbett1978,

Thank you for your understanding.

This is because certain individuals involved in the making of a film, such as background artists or cameos that are not credited on-screen, are often eligible for listing in the cast section with the "(uncredited)" attribute. For further guidance, please refer to our Help article.

Cheers!

@Ozzy​ Sorry we know lots of the people included that are uncredited, lots of them have a smaller role than my daughter, she is part of one of the Main Family "Gillikin Family" members, Like i said my daughter 100% would be included as she even sings on the sound track? so how are this people eligible and what proof have they or can i provide? YOUR GUIDANCE DOES NOT HELP AT ALL... so please dont send that, thanks.

@Ozzy​ AGAIN i will ask... so what do i need to provide (like they have? or havent?) to be included in the cast section? i sent payslips, screen shots of film, Mood board with my daughter one there" 

Hi @KeithGarbett1978,

Those people are likely to not have added themselves to the title page yet in that case. As it's not often (however it is possible) that a third party would add someone who is "(uncredited)" to a title. There are many types of evidence these individuals listed as (uncredited) might've provided. For examples please refer to this Help article's section titled, "The name is not listed in the end credits or the title is unreleased":

If a person isn't listed in the titles end credits, or the title is unreleased, and the end credits aren't yet finalized - the evidence listed above will be sufficient to help a credits update. 

Sufficient evidence for self-submitted uncredited roles:

	Third-party news articles		Call sheets
	Receipts		Pay stubs
	Contracts

Sufficient evidence for third-party submitted uncredited roles:

	Third-party news articles
	Screengrabs

We have previously stated that the credit you have added is currently listed in the correct section, based on the on-screen end credits. There is therefore no further information that you could provide that would change this.

Thanks!

ok thanks

Hi @KeithGarbett1978,

Apologies for any confusion, but I was referring to people who have not yet added their credit at all in my previous response. Meaning there are bound to be more individuals who worked on the title in an "uncredited" capacity, who are yet to submit themselves to the title page. I was not commenting on any individual already listed as (uncredited).

The individual you do speak of however, I can confirm their credit was internally sourced, then verified not to be credited on-screen (unlike your daughter, who was credited on-screen but as a Chorus member) by our processing team. That said, this still refers back to the types of evidence and information we use to verify how people should be credited on IMDb. Which I have provided examples of what evidence we require in my above response. Therefore, the credit you have submitted cannot be modified as it is currently listed.

We regret that we have not been able to address your concerns to your satisfaction, or take the actions you have requested regarding information listed on our site. Our customer service department will not be able to offer any additional insight or action on these matters.

If you have any further feedback regarding the usefulness of our Help guides, please let us know how we can improve them.

Cheers!

@Michelle​ Morning, did you get an answer to this? cheers x

Hi @KeithGarbett1978​ -

It has been confirmed that Chorus credits, which are listed separately from the cast, should be categorized under 'Additional Crew.' Therefore, your daughter's credit is correctly listed according to our policy, and we are unable to re-categorize it under the cast section.

I understand this may not be the resolution you were hoping for, but please know that we are required to follow our established policies. Unfortunately, our customer service team is unable to provide further guidance or take additional action on this matter.