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Duplicate Keywords - List #22 (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion) (nudity keywords pt. 1)

Here is the next installment of my lists of proposed keywords for permanent merger and auto-conversion. 

I am posting this for fellow contributors to review first and raise any objections or questions. I will wait at least seven days before changing this post to a "problem" post and asking IMDb staff to make the proposed changes.

The mergers and auto-conversions should be made in the direction of the arrows.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

bare-buttocks (296 titles) -->  bare-bottom (178 titles)  -->  bare-ass (174 titles) -->  naked-ass (4 titles) -->  naked-butt (23 titles) --> bare-butt (4951 titles)

barechested-man (49 titles) -->   topless-man (135 titles) --> topless-men (5 titles) -->  bare-chested-man (325 titles)


cfnf (68 titles)  -->  cfnf-scene (35 titles) -->  clothed-female-naked-female (72 titles)  --> clothed-female-naked-female-scene (33 titles)


cfnm (678 titles) -->  cfnm-scene (371 titles) -->  clothed-female-nude-male (15 titles) -->  clothed-female-naked-male (396 titles) --> clothed-female-naked-male-scene (266 titles)


cmnf (236 titles) -->  cmnf-scene (140 titles) -->  clothed-male-nude-female (17 titles)  -->  clothed-male-naked-female (168 titles) --> clothed-male-naked-female-scene (117 titles)


cmnm (290 titles)  -->  cmnm-scene (289 titles) -->  clothed-male-naked-male (335 titles) -->  clothed-male-naked-male-scene (230 titles)


female-breast-nudity (84 titles)  --> bare-chested-female (7 titles) -->  topless-female (251 titles)  -->  topless-females (128 titles)  -->  topless-female-nudity (7390 titles) --> female-topless-nudity (79 titles)


female-full-back-nudity (161 titles) -->   female-full-rear-nudity (6616 titles)


full-frontal-female-nudity (1615 titles)  -->   female-full-frontal-nudity (12379 titles)


full-male-frontal-nudity (46 titles) -->  full-frontal-male-nudity (539 titles) -->  male-full-frontal-nudity (9339 titles)


male-full-back-nudity (168 titles) -->  male-full-rear-nudity (4989 titles)

man-and-woman-showering-together (9 titles)  -->  man-and-woman-share-a-shower (45 titles) -->  man-and-woman-shower-together (9 titles)

man-swimming-nude (54 titles)  -->  man-swims-naked (25 titles)  -->  man-goes-skinny-dipping (4 titles)  -->  man-swims-nude (11 titles)


man-undressing (179 titles) -->  man-removes-his-clothes (12 titles) -->   man-undresses (183 titles)


naked (129 titles)  -->  nakedness (2 titles) -->  nude (301 titles)  --> nudity (22266 titles)

naked-boy (27 titles) -->  boy-nudity (67 titles)  -->   nude-boy (11 titles)

naked-girl (17 titles) -->  girl-nudity (34 titles) -->  nude-girl (178 titles)


naked-man (110 titles) -->  nude-man (65 titles)

naked-woman (870 titles) -->  nude-women (11 titles)  -->  nude-woman (159 titles)

naked-woman-in-a-shower (5 titles)  -->  woman-naked-in-a-shower (7 titles)  -->  woman-naked-in-shower (21 titles)  -->  nude-woman-in-shower (62 titles) -->  nude-woman-in-a-shower (20 titles)

nude-photo (76 titles) -->  nude-photos (21 titles) -->  naked-photograph (3 titles)  -->  naked-photos (1 title) --> nude-photograph (199 titles)


pregnant-woman-nude (62 titles)  --> nude-pregnant-woman (20 titles)


rear-female-nudity (113 titles)  -->  female-back-nudity (32 titles)  -->  female-rear-nudity (13393 titles)


rear-male-nudity (77 titles)  --> male-rear-nudity (13722 titles)

sleeping-naked (278 titles)  -->  nude-sleeping (11 titles)  -->  sleeping-nude (293 titles)


topless-male (63 titles)  -->  topless-male-nudity (37 titles) -->  male-topless-nudity (37 titles) -->   bare-chested-male (21597 titles)


undress (23 titles) -->  taking-off-clothes (549 titles)  -->  disrobing (33 titles)  -->  disrobe (7 titles)  -->   undressing (5373 titles)


woman-swimming-nude (109 titles) -->  nude-woman-swimming (9 titles)  -->  nude--woman-swimming (7 titles)  -->  woman-nude-swim (2 titles) -->  woman-swims-naked (11 titles) -->  woman-swimming-naked (17 titles) --> woman-goes-skinny-dipping (11 titles) -->  woman-swims-nude (13 titles)

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Hey keyword_expert-

The pending keywords have been merged and auto-converted.

Cheers!!

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@Bethanny​ Yay! Thank you very much.

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@Bethanny 

It looks like something went haywire with this particular merger:

topless-female-nudity (7390 titles) --> female-topless-nudity (79 titles)

Those were the numbers of titles for these keywords back when I first posted the list four months ago.

Here is what those numbers look like currently:

topless-female-nudity (3765 titles)  -->  female-topless-nudity (4019 titles)

It kinda feels like the mass merger was cut short in the middle of the process.

At any rate, I have included the same proposed merger in my part 2 list of nudity keywords.

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Well, the more simple versions 'male-frontal-nudity' (12,750) and 'female-frontal-nudity' (13,235) are also available, and slightly more common; I've never really seen the need to add the 'full' for emphasis (does it really matter if you can see the feet as well?). About 15 years ago I suggested a basic selection of:

male-frontal-nudity

female-frontal-nudity

male-nudity

female-nudity

topless

child-nudity (which I created after seeing 'male-frontal-nudity' listed for Superman (1978), which initially perplexed me)

infant-nudity

animated-nudity

and the possible inclusion of 'brief-nudity'; to me, these seemed to cover whatever situations might be present in a title, and several of your variations ('bare-butt') could be steered in those directions. With the later creation of the parent guides, which can go into greater detail, I'm not sure the keywords need to be much more specific. As I've noted in comments for corrections over the years, I don't think the keyword section needs to resemble a fetish directory.

As for the 'bare-chested-male' issue, I'm not sure how useful that is, especially considering how many sports titles where it would apply.

'skinny-dipping' (2,197) seems to cover the nude swimming topic.

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@gary_krause_dsb3tl1xamjcb​ Thanks for sharing your thoughts, which are very helpful.

I should point out here that my goal is to only merge true duplicates. So, for example, "skinny-dipping" as a keyword is not a duplicate of keywords describing a type of person who is swimming nude. But your comment did help me realize that "woman-goes-skinny-dipping" is a duplicate of the other keywords I had already listed, so I added this one there, to be merged into "woman-swims-nude." And I also added a new entry on the list that would ultimately be merged into "man-swims-nude."

On the one hand I tend to agree with your thoughts on the "full-frontal" and "frontal" keywords (that they are either duplicates/synonyms or should be treated as such). But on the other hand, is "female-frontal-nudity" always the same thing as "female-full-frontal-nudity?" I don't know that these are truly the same thing. Perhaps "frontal nudity" could be either the upper half of a woman's body or the lower half, or both. Users seem to have treated these as two distinct keywords that do not completely overlap. My feeling is they should be kept separate for now.

female-frontal-nudity (13235 titles)

female-full-frontal-nudity (12379 titles)

But that did help me realize that this list only includes the "full-frontal" keywords and not the "frontal" keywords. I will look into adding some new entries to the list.  [Edit: I reviewed the list and I don't see any need to add anything involving just the "frontal" keywords, since my rule of thumb is to only ask for mergers when duplicate keywords or keyword combinations exceed 49 titles.]

Finally, the keywords in my list involve "bare-chested-man," not "bare-chested-male," which are not necessarily the same thing. But I do agree with your comments that all of these keywords in general are way overused. I often roll my eyes when I see how popular "bare-chested-male" is as a keyword. Keywords are supposed to be about important plot points. It seems that the keywords have been used over the years by a few contributors to promote their own fetishes.

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Well, 'topless' seems to cover the situations where it's only the upper half. I'm not sure I've ever heard the term "frontal nudity" applied in cases where nothing below the waist is involved.

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Looks like the "frontal" vs. "full-frontal" topic has been previously discussed on this message board. Nobody seems to agree on the outcome, though.

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female-frontal-nudity almost always refers to topless nudity. It has the same meaning of the keywords: topless-nudity, and bare-breasts.

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@abdurahman​ 

On a future list I will include a proposal to merge "bare-breasts" and "bare-breast" into "female-topless-nudity." 

There is not an existing keyword for "topless-nudity."

I am still not convinced that any merger is needed for "female-frontal-nudity." That keyword can mean different things to different people in different contexts. 

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@scgary66​ 

Should the keyword "male-full-frontal-nudity" be merged into "male-frontal-nudity?"

male-full-frontal-nudity (9732 titles)  -->  male-frontal-nudity (12673 titles)

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@abdurahman @Pencho15 

Same question for you: should the keyword "male-full-frontal-nudity" be merged into "male-frontal-nudity?"

male-full-frontal-nudity (9732 titles)  -->  male-frontal-nudity (12673 titles)

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@keyword_expert​ I would say not necessarily.

With male (and female) full frontal nudity I understand that you see absolutely all, including the genitals, with no censorship of any kind. It can be explicit or not, but you see all.

With frontal nudity (both male and female) I understand that the character is completely naked, and shown in screen as such, but something or someone covers the genitals, making it a non explicit nude.

Some examples I can think about right now. In the Robert Downey Jr. first Sherlock Holmes film, he is handcuffed to a bed by Rachel McAdmas, who leaves him completely naked. but there is a cushion covering him so while the character is completely nude, we don't actually see the full nudity.

One Austin Powers film (the first one if I remember right) also has Mike Myers walking completely naked in a scene, but it is a comedy scene that makes use of a lot of elements to cover his genitals (often with tongue in cheek jokes like Elizabeth Hurley eating a sausage that makes it appear as oral sex).

Another one I remembered while writing, there is an episode in The Simpsons where Homer and Marge discober they get aroused by having sex in public places, and they eventually have to run naked around Springfield after almost getting discovered. there is a moment where both of them are shown covered with some garden ornaments. So there we also have male and female frontal nudity, but not a full naked frontal nude as both their genitals and her breasts are not shown.

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@Pencho15​ 

Well, there are a few keywords like this. Do these "cover" your examples (no pun intended)?

blurred-nudity (28 titles)
blurred-male-nudity (4 titles)
blurred-female-nudity (4 titles)

censored-nudity (90 titles)
censored-male-nudity (17 titles)
male-nudity-censored (1 title)
censored-female-nudity (12 titles)

It just feels in general like there are still too many "nudity" keywords.

I would probably not support merging "female-full-frontal-nudity" into "female-frontal-nudity."

But I might support merging "male-full-frontal-nudity" into "male-frontal-nudity," especially if others supported that. It just seems to me like there is little difference between these two keywords, and while I hear your point about the covered and censored nudity, that is probably best "covered" by other keywords.

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@keyword_expert​ 

Yes, one of those keywords should cover what I mean, and I agree there are too many nudity keywords.

However I do believe we have to be careful with this merger. 

It doesn't matter if it is male-full-frontal-nudity or just male-frontal-nudity, but I do feel the keyword should include only scenes where everything is seen (such a keyword is useful both for people interested for any reason in watching the nudity, and also for those wishing to avoid it if it makes them unconfortable).

So any covered nudity should not be there, at least that's my opinion.

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@Pencho15​ 

Do you feel like contributors might have previously used "male-frontal-nudity" even for scenes where the genitals are covered, like in the Simpsons example you mentioned? 

If so, then maybe these two keywords should not be merged, after all.  Maybe some contributors have used these two keywords differently.

Just looking at the list of movies on this link, it seems unlikely that these are all complete (uncovered) nudity scenes.

male-frontal-nudity (12673 titles)

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@keyword_expert​ I feel there is a possibility, just as I took the keyword that way, many could. And the rest of the censored, strategically covered or blurred nudity keyword, while much more precise and better options, are not popular enought to assume most users considered them before adding the male-frontal-nudity keyword.

None of them has more than 100 entries.

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@Pencho15​ Yeah, good points.

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@Michelle 

Now that the seven-day comment period has passed, I have converted this thread to a "problem" post, and it is ready for action by IMDb staff. Thank you!

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

bare-buttocks  -->  bare-bottom  -->  bare-ass  -->  naked-ass  -->  naked-butt  --> bare-butt 

barechested-man  -->   topless-man  --> topless-men  -->  bare-chested-man 


cfnf   -->  cfnf-scene  -->  clothed-female-naked-female   --> clothed-female-naked-female-scene 


cfnm  -->  cfnm-scene  -->  clothed-female-nude-male  -->  clothed-female-naked-male  --> clothed-female-naked-male-scene 


cmnf  -->  cmnf-scene  -->  clothed-male-nude-female  -->  clothed-male-naked-female  --> clothed-male-naked-female-scene 


cmnm  -->  cmnm-scene  -->  clothed-male-naked-male  -->  clothed-male-naked-male-scene 


female-breast-nudity   --> bare-chested-female  -->  topless-female  -->  topless-females  -->  topless-female-nudity  --> female-topless-nudity 


female-full-back-nudity  -->   female-full-rear-nudity 


full-frontal-female-nudity  -->   female-full-frontal-nudity 


full-male-frontal-nudity  -->  full-frontal-male-nudity  -->  male-full-frontal-nudity 


male-full-back-nudity  -->  male-full-rear-nudity 

man-and-woman-showering-together  -->  man-and-woman-share-a-shower  -->  man-and-woman-shower-together 

man-swimming-nude   -->  man-swims-naked  -->  man-goes-skinny-dipping  -->  man-swims-nude 


man-undressing  -->  man-removes-his-clothes -->   man-undresses


naked   -->  nakedness  -->  nude  --> nudity 

naked-boy  -->  boy-nudity   -->   nude-boy 

naked-girl -->  girl-nudity  -->  nude-girl 


naked-man  -->  nude-man 

naked-woman -->  nude-women   -->  nude-woman 

naked-woman-in-a-shower  -->  woman-naked-in-a-shower  -->  woman-naked-in-shower   -->  nude-woman-in-shower  -->  nude-woman-in-a-shower 

nude-photo  -->  nude-photos  -->  naked-photograph  -->  naked-photos  --> nude-photograph 


pregnant-woman-nude  --> nude-pregnant-woman 


rear-female-nudity  -->  female-back-nudity  -->  female-rear-nudity


rear-male-nudity   --> male-rear-nudity 

sleeping-naked   -->  nude-sleeping  -->  sleeping-nude 


topless-male   -->  topless-male-nudity -->  male-topless-nudity -->   bare-chested-male 


undress  -->  taking-off-clothes  -->  disrobing -->  disrobe   -->   undressing 


woman-swimming-nude  -->  nude-woman-swimming  -->  nude--woman-swimming   -->  woman-nude-swim -->  woman-swims-naked  -->  woman-swimming-naked  --> woman-goes-skinny-dipping  -->  woman-swims-nude 

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I just saw this.

Just an addition. Female Topless Nudity could possibly also be merged with Bare Breasts

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@Pencho15​ Are you sure that all contributors use the "bare-breasts" keyword only for female topless nudity, though? It's a reasonable assumption, and personally I think "bare-breasts" is a dumb keyword, but technically men have breasts too, so I do wonder if anyone has ever used this keyword for male toplessness. 

Another reason why it might not be good to merge these keywords is that "topless" literally means the woman is not wearing a top, while "bare-breasts" could be an exposure of one's breasts from underneath a top, for example if a woman briefly lifts up her top. 

If these keywords were merged, I think they should be merged in favor of "female-topless-nudity," which is simply a better keyword than "bare-breasts." Here is how that might look:

bare-breasts (15046 titles) -->  bare-breast (135 titles)  -->   female-breast-nudity (84 titles)  --> bare-chested-female (7 titles) -->  topless-female (251 titles)  -->  topless-females (128 titles)  -->  topless-female-nudity (7390 titles) --> female-topless-nudity (79 titles)

But with that said, I am not convinced that "bare-breasts" is a true duplicate/synonym for "female-topless-nudity."

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@keyword_expert​ I agree female-topless-nudity is better. I don't think the keyword has been used for male topless nudity even if technically they have breasts too. But if you think bare-breasts is a keyword that covers more topics than female-topless-nudity then its ok.

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@Pencho15​ Okay, I will leave the list as is. Thanks for weighing in.

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@Pencho15​ p.s. Although I said I would leave the list as is, something tells me that it would just be a good idea after all to change "bare-breasts" and "bare-breast" to "female-topless-nudity." I think what I will do is add that to my private list of potential future changes. That way I can include it as part of a new proposed list in the future and get more feedback from the community on whether this is a good idea or a bad idea.

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@keyword_expert​ Good, glad to help.

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Bare Butt should be merged into Bare buttocks, not the other way around. Butt is an informal shortening of the word buttocks, which is mainly used in North America.

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@abdurahman​ "bare-butt" is much more popular though, and everyone understands what it means even if it is informal. Plus, IMDb uses American spellings and variations. 

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IMDb staff (@Bethanny and @Michelle):

It looks like this list of mergers and auto-conversions was started, but only partially finished.

Here are the mergers and auto-conversions yet to be done:

female-breast-nudity   --> bare-chested-female  -->  topless-female  -->  topless-females  -->  topless-female-nudity  --> female-topless-nudity 


female-full-back-nudity  -->   female-full-rear-nudity 


full-frontal-female-nudity  -->   female-full-frontal-nudity 


full-male-frontal-nudity  -->  full-frontal-male-nudity  -->  male-full-frontal-nudity 


male-full-back-nudity  -->  male-full-rear-nudity 

man-and-woman-showering-together  -->  man-and-woman-share-a-shower  -->  man-and-woman-shower-together 

man-swimming-nude   -->  man-swims-naked  -->  man-goes-skinny-dipping  -->  man-swims-nude 


man-undressing  -->  man-removes-his-clothes -->   man-undresses


naked   -->  nakedness  -->  nude  --> nudity 

naked-boy  -->  boy-nudity   -->   nude-boy 

naked-girl -->  girl-nudity  -->  nude-girl 


naked-man  -->  nude-man 

naked-woman -->  nude-women   -->  nude-woman 

naked-woman-in-a-shower  -->  woman-naked-in-a-shower  -->  woman-naked-in-shower   -->  nude-woman-in-shower  -->  nude-woman-in-a-shower 

nude-photo  -->  nude-photos  -->  naked-photograph  -->  naked-photos  --> nude-photograph 


pregnant-woman-nude  --> nude-pregnant-woman 


rear-female-nudity  -->  female-back-nudity  -->  female-rear-nudity


rear-male-nudity   --> male-rear-nudity 

sleeping-naked   -->  nude-sleeping  -->  sleeping-nude 


topless-male   -->  topless-male-nudity -->  male-topless-nudity -->   bare-chested-male 


undress  -->  taking-off-clothes  -->  disrobing -->  disrobe   -->   undressing 


woman-swimming-nude  -->  nude-woman-swimming  -->  nude--woman-swimming   -->  woman-nude-swim -->  woman-swims-naked  -->  woman-swimming-naked  --> woman-goes-skinny-dipping  -->  woman-swims-nude 

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@abdurahman @Pencho15 @scgary66 

I have posted a part 2 list of duplicate nudity keywords proposed for merger. The list incorporates suggestions from this thread.

Here is the link:  https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/duplicate-keywords-list-29-proposals-for-permanent-merger-and-autoconversion-nudity-keywords-pt-2/62e57d671b2f176c0012f9f2