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Duplicate Keywords - List #19 (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion) (violence keywords)

Here is the next installment of my lists of proposed keywords for permanent merger and auto-conversion. 

I am posting this for fellow contributors to review first and raise any objections or questions. I will wait at least seven days before changing this post to a "problem" post and asking IMDb staff to make the proposed changes.

The mergers and auto-conversions should be made in the direction of the arrows.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion


breaking-window (70 titles)  -->  window-breaking (6 titles)  -->   breaking-a-window (671 titles)

cruelty-to-animal (71 titles) -->  cruelty-to-animals (12 titles)  -->   cruelty-to-an-animal (3 titles)  -->  animal-cruelty (570 titles)


face-slap (6178 titles)  -->  face-slapping (66 titles)  -->  face-slapped (13 titles)  -->  slap-on-the-face (24 titles)  -->  slapped-in-face (5 titles)  -->  slapping-face (5 titles)  -->  slapped-across-the-face (6 titles)  --> slapped-in-the-face (94 titles)


faking-own-death (80 titles)  -->  fake-own-death (4 titles)  --> faking-one's-own-death (16 titles)


falsely-accused-of-murder (58 titles)  -->  false-murder-accusation (5 titles)  -->  false-accusation-of-murder (282 titles)


girl-fight (146 titles)  -->  girlfight (13 titles)  -->  girls-fighting (7 titles)  -->  girl-fights-a-girl (4 titles)


gun-finger-gesture (61 titles)  -->  finger-gun (211 titles)


hit-by-car (79 titles)  -->   hit-by-a-car (1856 titles)

hit-in-the-crotch (479 titles)  -->  hit-in-crotch (8 titles)  -->  hit-in-the-groin (86 titles)


kicked-in-the-crotch (584 titles)  -->  kick-in-the-crotch (14 titles)  -->  kicked-in-groin (8 titles)  -->  kick-in-the-groin (19 titles)  -->  kick-in-groin (3 titles) -->  kicked-in-the-groin (198 titles)


kill (332 titles)  -->  killings (27 titles)  -->  killing (930 titles)


kneed-in-the-crotch (91 titles)  -->  kneed-in-groin (10 titles)  -->  knee-in-groin (4 titles)  -->   kneed-in-the-groin (112 titles)


knocked-out (1587 titles)  -->  knocked-unconcious (1 title)  -->  knocked-unconscious (1452 titles)  


man-woman-fight (56 titles)  -->  man-woman-fighting (1 title)  -->  man-fighting-a-woman (4 titles)  -->  man-fights-a-woman (103 titles) -->  woman-fights-man (4 titles)  -->  woman-fights-a-man (426 titles)


murder-of-family (437 titles)  -->  family-murder (8 titles)  -->  family-murdered (24 titles)  -->  murdered-family (4 titles) -->   murder-of-a-family (13 titles)

off-screen-death (72 titles)  -->  offscreen-death (10 titles)

off-screen-murder (195 titles)  -->  offscreen-murder (37 titles)

off-screen-narration (43 titles)  -->  offscreen-narration [new keyword]

off-screen-rape (120 titles)  -->  offscreen-rape (11 titles)

off-screen-sex (101 titles)  -->  offscreen-sex (6 titles)

off-screen-suicide (39 titles)  -->  offscreen-suicide (4 titles)

punched-in-the-crotch (96 titles)  -->  punch-in-the-crotch (1 title) -->  punched-in-the-groin (12 titles)


psycho-murderer (140 titles)  -->  psycho-killer (377 titles)


psychopathic-murderer (145 titles)  -->  psychopathic-killer (334 titles)


psychotic-murderer (56 titles)  -->   psychotic-killer (38 titles)


serial-killing (137 titles)  -->  serial-killings (1 title)  -->  serial-killer-crime (65 titles) -->  serial-murder (1354 titles)

shot-in-the-crotch (141 titles)  -->  shot-in-the-groin (33 titles)

stabbed-in-the-crotch (75 titles)  -->  stabbed-in-groin (3 titles) -->  stabbed-in-the-groin (12 titles)


terrorist-attack (360 titles)  -->   terror-attack (449 titles)


threat-to-murder (74 titles)  -->   murder-threat (50 titles)


throat-slash (4 titles)  -->  throat-slashing (39 titles)  -->  slashed-throat (27 titles)  -->  slashed-in-the-throat (5 titles) -->  throat-slashed (74 titles)  

throat-slitting (1891 titles) -->  slit-throat (60 titles)  -->  throat-slit (58 titles)

violent (57 titles)  -->  violence (17893 titles)

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Hi @keyword_expert -

All merged and auto-converted.

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ Thank you! I am very pleased with your work processing these lists!

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@keyword_expert​ Always a pleasure, will try to have everything ready as soon as possible!

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@Bethanny​ Thank you again!

For future lists, I will expand the community comment periods from 7 days to 14 days. That should slow things down to a more manageable level.

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Il y a 7 m

Is it just me or is it unclear which keyword you want to keep? Also, why is this an idea instead of a problem?

Also, throat-slash and throat-slitting probably should all be merged together as they are (virtually) the same thing.

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@adrian​ 

Is it just me or is it unclear which keyword you want to keep?

The arrows point in the direction of the proposed mergers. For example, for the first entry, all keywords should be merged and auto-converted in favor of the keyword "cruelty-to-an-animal."

Also, why is this an idea instead of a problem?

This post starts out as an "idea" post so that contributors can review the list and comment. After a seven-day comment period, I will change the post to a "problem" post and ask IMDb staff to make the proposed keyword changes.

Also, throat-slash and throat-slitting probably should all be merged together as they are (virtually) the same thing.

This a tough call. I started drafting the list exactly as you suggested. However, I eventually came to the conclusion that slitting and slashing are technically two different actions.

The relevant definition of "slit" is "to cut apart or open along a line; make a long cut, fissure, or opening in."

The relevant definition of "slash" is "to cut with a violent sweeping stroke or by striking violently and at random, as with a knife or sword."

It is possible that for at least some of the instances of these keywords, these different meanings were intended.

The main difference between these two keywords is that "throat-slashed" can connote a fast, random, and smaller cut or puncture, while "throat-slit" can connote a longer, more deliberate, and longer slicing cut or incision. If someone's throat is cut all the way across, it is probably better described as "throat-slit," but if it is a single puncture wound, it is probably better described as "throat-slashed." 

There are no hard and fast rules here. But it seems to me that these two sets of keywords probably do not have 100% overlap. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I don't think they should be merged together.

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@keyword_expert​ 

The arrows point in the direction of the proposed mergers. For example, for the first entry, all keywords should be merged and auto-converted in favor of the keyword "cruelty-to-an-animal."

This makes little sense. animal-cruelty, which is much more popular, should not be folded into cruelty-to-an-animal. animal-cruelty is brief and expresses the term without the need for extra words. Brief and popular should be preferred over verbose.

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Generally, not always, my inclination would be to use the more commonly used keyword rather than the less common one. In the case of "animal-cruelty" I think that this is the common phrase for cruelty to animals; it's not going to be mistaken for the idea that an animal is being cruel to someone else.

I would suggest that for any keywords where you are suggesting merging a more popular keyword into a less popular one (such as replacing offscreen-killing (300 titles) with off-screen-killing (1 title)), it would be best to provide an explanation as to why the less popular version is an improvement.

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@adrian​ 

Since there are now two votes in favor of "animal-cruelty," I have changed that entry accordingly.

This is more of a stylistic preference issue than anything else. My original thinking in favor of "cruelty-to-an-animal" is that it is more precise and clear.

By analogy, I dislike the keyword "child-murder" because you can't tell whether the child is the one being murdered or the one committing the murder. In general, keywords like that should be avoided in favor of keywords like "murder-of-a-child," "child-murders-a-child," "child-murders-an-adult," etc.

But as @gromit82 points out, in the keyword "animal-cruelty," there is probably very confusion that the animal is receiving rather than bestowing the cruelty. Perhaps it is possible for one animal to be cruel to another, but more likely that would be improper anthropomorphization. 

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@gromit82​ 

Generally, not always, my inclination would be to use the more commonly used keyword rather than the less common one.

Agreed. Existing prevalence is a very important factor, but it is not necessarily controlling and can be outweighed by countervailing factors. I would roughly guesstimate that in at least 70% of cases I recommend merging in favor of the the most popular keyword.

In the case of "animal-cruelty" I think that this is the common phrase for cruelty to animals; it's not going to be mistaken for the idea that an animal is being cruel to someone else.

Fair enough, and you are correct that this is a commonly used term. I have changed this entry as you suggest.

I would suggest that for any keywords where you are suggesting merging a more popular keyword into a less popular one (such as replacing offscreen-killing (300 titles) with off-screen-killing (1 title)), it would be best to provide an explanation as to why the less popular version is an improvement.

There are lots of explanations I could offer for my keyword suggestions, but that takes up a lot more time and would be inefficient if I tried to do that each time I post a new list. I am always happy to explain specific entries when asked.

Regarding "off-screen-killing" versus "offscreen-killing," the thinking is to line it up with other keywords. In general, "off-screen" seems to be more popular than "offscreen."

off-screen-murder (194 titles)
off-screen-rape (120 titles)
off-screen-death (72 titles)
off-screen-narration (43 titles)

offscreen-killing (300 titles)
offscreen-murder (37 titles)
offscreen-rape (11 titles)
offscreen-death (10 titles)
offscreen-violence (6 titles)

On the other hand, "offscreen" is a completely valid adjective without the hyphen. Perhaps "offscreen" should become the preferred spelling for all of these keywords? I could go either way on this. Any preference on your part?

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@keyword_expert​ 

child-murder clearly relates to a child being murdered. If the child was the murderer, then they keyword would be child-murderer.

I agree that "offscreen" should be the preferred spelling for any keyword. It is not a hyphenated word.

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@adrian​ "child-murder" probably wasn't the best example. A better example is "child-rape" and "child-rapist." Do these keywords mean "rape-of-a-child," "child-rapes-a-child," someone who rapes a child, or a rapist who is a child?

And what about "child-murderer?" At a glance, it is unclear whether this is someone who murders a child, or a child who is a murderer ("child-as-a-murderer" or "child-as-murderer"). I think that was what I had in mind when I offered "child-murder" as an example. 

It's the same with "female-objectification" and "male-objectification." With keywords like this, you can't tell at a glance whether a female person is being objectified or is the one doing the objectifying.  Keywords like "objectification-of-women" and "objectification-of-a-child" would be far better, because they do not allow for any ambiguity.

Here's another one: "russian-invasion." Is that the same as "invasion-of-russia," or is it like the keyword "russian-invasion-of-ukraine?" You can't tell on the surface.

That was my thinking with "animal-cruelty" -- to make that keyword more in line with all other keywords, and for promoting clarity. But the majority here wants to keep it as "animal-cruelty," and I am fine with that.

Regarding "offscreen," it sounds like I should adjust the keywords in this list. I will revisit the list and make some changes to favor "offscreen" over "off-screen."

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@adrian​ p.s. In fact, "child-murder" is not even an existing keyword, which kind of helps prove my point that "murder-of-a-child" is a better keyword. There is a keyword "child-murdered," which is better than "child-murder" but not quite as good as "murder-of-a-child."

child-murdered (16 titles)

murder-of-a-child (1395 titles)

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@gromit82@adrian 

Based on your feedback, I have revised the list to favor the "offscreen" spelling over "off-screen" for keywords.

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I would keep face-slap, but happy to leave the choice to IMDb's editor.

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@Peter_pbn​ This one is also more of a stylistic preference than anything else. I agree that whatever the editors decide, I can live with.

There are at least a couple reasons why I prefer "slapped-in-the-face." 

First, with "slapped-in-the-face," the action word comes first, so you can tell from the outset what type of action is involved.

Second, "slapped-in-the-face" lines up better with popular keywords like "punched-in-the-face," "shot-in-the-face," "stabbed-in-the-face," etc.

punched-in-the-face (6347 titles)
kicked-in-the-face (1223 titles)
stabbed-in-the-face (218 titles)
slapped-in-the-face (94 titles)
bitten-in-the-face (58 titles)
shot-in-the-face (669 titles)
hit-in-the-face (559 titles)

While "face-slap" is definitely much more popular on IMDb than "slapped-in-the-face," when I Google "slap in the face" versus "face slap," it looks like the former wording is more than twice as popular on the Internet as the latter wording (7 million results versus 2.1 million results). The same is true of "slapped-in-the-face" versus "face-slapped," etc.

I can't figure out exactly why the "face-slap" wording has taken root on IMDb. I wonder if one or more contributors long ago edited the keywords to boost this particular wording, and everyone else has followed along.

To me, "face-slap" sounds awkward and slightly obscure. I view this as just another long-standing peculiarity of IMDb keywords. Another example is the former keyword "fired-from-the-job," which fortunately IMDb staff recently agreed to change to "fired-from-a-job" (much better). 

For those used to submitting "face-slap" as a keyword because it's shorter, if the editors agree to merge this one and set up auto-conversion, you will still be able to type "face-slap," and it will be automatically converted for you.

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"knocked-unconscious" is a better keyword than "knocked-out," since a knock-out usually refers to an attractive woman or handsome man, and also to one's reaction to such a person, i.e. I was knocked out by her.  Being "knocked-unconscious" is more serious than being "knocked-out."

Adjectives used as gerunds have always bothered me.  Usually, the adjective should precede the noun.  "throat-slashing" is s much better word than "throat-slashed."  I often think that ALL gerunds should be avoided.  And, in a tracheotomy, a throat is "slit," NOT slashed.

And, again, with some exceptions, i.e. cop-killer, I still feel that there is a difference between murder and killing, with the first being a heinous act between human beings while the later refers to what a human being does to something other than another human being, or what an animal or tragic event does to a human being.

And, then, there's "homicide," which I believe should be used only when referred to in dialogue or on-screen text.

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@Michelle Now that the seven-day comment period has passed (with several revisions based on feedback), this keyword list is ready for mergers and auto-conversions. I will re-post the full list below, with the numbers of titles removed.

I do want to point out that I did not incorporate a couple of suggestions, including a preference for "face-slap" and a suggestion that the "throat" "slit" and "slashed" keywords should all be merged together. I stand by my suggestions here, but feel free to decide otherwise. All relevant discussions are in this thread.

All of these should be merged and set up for auto-conversion in the direction of the arrows.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

breaking-window  -->  window-breaking -->   breaking-a-window 

cruelty-to-animal  -->  cruelty-to-animals  -->   cruelty-to-an-animal  -->  animal-cruelty 


face-slap  -->  face-slapping  -->  face-slapped    -->  slap-on-the-face   -->  slapped-in-face   -->  slapping-face   -->  slapped-across-the-face   --> slapped-in-the-face 


faking-own-death -->  fake-own-death  --> faking-one's-own-death 


falsely-accused-of-murder   -->  false-murder-accusation   -->  false-accusation-of-murder 


girl-fight  -->  girlfight  -->  girls-fighting   -->  girl-fights-a-girl 


gun-finger-gesture -->  finger-gun 


hit-by-car  -->   hit-by-a-car 

hit-in-the-crotch   -->  hit-in-crotch   -->  hit-in-the-groin 


kicked-in-the-crotch   -->  kick-in-the-crotch  -->  kicked-in-groin   -->  kick-in-the-groin   -->  kick-in-groin  -->  kicked-in-the-groin 


kill  -->  killings   -->  killing 


kneed-in-the-crotch  -->  kneed-in-groin   -->  knee-in-groin   -->   kneed-in-the-groin 


knocked-out  -->  knocked-unconcious  -->   knocked-unconscious  


man-woman-fight   -->  man-woman-fighting  -->  man-fighting-a-woman   -->  man-fights-a-woman  -->  woman-fights-man  -->  woman-fights-a-man 


murder-of-family  -->  family-murder   -->  family-murdered   -->  murdered-family  -->   murder-of-a-family 

off-screen-death   -->  offscreen-death 

off-screen-murder  -->  offscreen-murder 

off-screen-narration  -->  offscreen-narration [new keyword]

off-screen-rape   -->  offscreen-rape

off-screen-sex  -->  offscreen-sex 

off-screen-suicide   -->  offscreen-suicide 

punched-in-the-crotch  -->  punch-in-the-crotch  -->  punched-in-the-groin 


psycho-murderer  -->  psycho-killer 


psychopathic-murderer  -->  psychopathic-killer 


psychotic-murderer  -->   psychotic-killer 


serial-killing -->  serial-killings   -->  serial-killer-crime  -->  serial-murder 

shot-in-the-crotch -->  shot-in-the-groin 

stabbed-in-the-crotch   -->  stabbed-in-groin ->  stabbed-in-the-groin 


terrorist-attack   -->   terror-attack 


threat-to-murder   -->   murder-threat 


throat-slash   -->  throat-slashing  -->  slashed-throat   -->  slashed-in-the-throat  -->  throat-slashed   

throat-slitting  -->  slit-throat  -->  throat-slit 

violent   -->  violence 

Finally, since you might not otherwise see it in this old (resolved) thread, I am proposing to reverse a previous merger/auto-conversion from a couple months ago. The details are explained here. The new proposal is shown below. Please note that this involves reversing a previous auto-conversion. Hopefully that is easy enough to do.

u.s.-history (700 titles)  -->  american-history

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@keyword_expert​ Still prefer "knocked-unconscious" to "knocked-out."  You could be knocked-out-a-window, knocked out of a political contest, knocked out of a job promotion, etc.  "knocked-uncnscious" just seems more accurate.  Oh, well... my thoughts seem to have little relevance of late...  Guess I am just not a self-appointed "expert."

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@bradley_kent​ Thanks for the reminder about "knocked-out." Although either "knocked-out" or "knocked-unconscious" might be appropriate, is there a risk that some of the usage of "knocked-out" has been for situations like you describe (being knocked out of something)? For example, I see there is already a keyword for "knocked-out-of-the-ring." If people have used "knocked-out" for concepts like this, then it might not be a good idea to merge this keyword in favor of "knocked-unconscious," because that could result in inaccurate keywords.

I suppose even if there is a risk of this, the risk would likely be minimal. I will adjust the keywords to favor "knocked-unconscious," despite the small potential risk of causing a few inaccuracies.

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@Michelle I just realized I had forgotten to update this post to a "problem" post. I have done so now.

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It looks like this list is partially done. Thank you, IMDb staff, for getting it started.

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