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Birth names no longer a useful section of the database?

I just noticed this article https://www.imdb.com/news/ni62580914 that links to this article https://variety.com/2019/film/actors/imdb-alters-policy-publication-birth-names-1203300451/. I just want a staffer to respond to this news. Is it true that IMDb allows birth names to be completely to be deleted from the database, nowhere to be found? If this is not true, that's good. If this is true, the database has been compromised and IMDb has made a step in the wrong, Orwellian direction.


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a year ago

Ya i just read that too.. I thought Imdb’s whole cornerstone was the fact that they never delete valid information.. like these 2 articles even state:


https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...#


And


https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...#


What the hell happened?

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What the hell happened?

I sure hope a staffer will respond to this question.

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Imdb keeping all valid info permanently is one of the main reasons why I love this website so much..

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The answer is in the article, no?

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What do you mean??

Champion

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You ask what happened, and the article in the first post explains the background.

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My only worry is what will this end up leading to..

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"Valid info" ??!

Yes, valid info. This is a database. It stores data. In this particular case, about, among other things, people who worked on movies, series and video games. Someone's name as well as someone's birth name is data. It is stored in a database.

WTF do you knowing someones dead name?

I think that for literally 99 per cent of all famous people, it's easy to find out their birth names. So knowing the birth name of someone in this database is not that weird.

You are here to look up movies

Among other things. People are also here to look up actors, or directors, or simply people with whom they share a birthday. As founder and current CEO of IMDb, Col Needham, once said "IMDb means different things to different people."

what you want is one of those investigation sites so you can dox people and harass them.

If you are actually accusing people on this board of wanting to dox or harass people, you are way out of line and I feel you should take it back and apologize.

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(if someone knows how to delete duplicated posts, I'm all ears)

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Thanks Ed, for clearing that up.

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a year ago

What's interesting, to me, is that the way the policy is written will apply to all birth names, not just transgender ones.

I'm not in the business, but is this something of concern across the industry like birth dates?  I can think of a whole list of security reasons why it might be the case, but just don't know.

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a year ago

What about other factual information regarding films, tv shows or video games though? Will all that remain on imdb permanently?

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Luke Davies, it most certainly will. It is evident that birth names are a notable exception and partial, at that.

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This is a fricken  fan movie site,

Well, partly, but more that a fan movie site, IMDb is a database (guess what the Db in the name IMDb stand for :) ) about films, tv series and video games and the people who worked on them. Obviously, such a database will draw a lot of fans of a lot of movies, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a database.

not the FBI  Luke.

You do realize that lots of internet sites mention birth names of well-known people don't you?

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I'm with Perky Pants, IMDb has been way too bureaucratic about this very sensitive issue for way too long.

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You can't put that over the well being of marginalized people.

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You can't put that over the well being of marginalized people.

A database is neutral. It doesn't judge. It doesn't give one group of people an advantage or a disadvantage. It doesn't have an opinion about the people it lists, be they marginalized or not.
A database does not marginalize people. Other people do that. And that is terrible and should be stopped. But not allowing people to talk and know about FACTS is always the wrong answer, no matter what the question is.

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Deadnames are used to hurt people. IMDb is providing deadnames. IMDb is hurting trans people.

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Birth names can be used to hurt people, but stating that birth names are always used to hurt people is just nonsense and I think you know that. IMDb doesn't use birth names to hurt people. Other people might use these names to hurt people, but that can't and shouldn't be blamed on an impartial database, it should be blamed on the people who willingly hurt other people.

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Birth names can be used to hurt people, but stating that birth names are always used to hurt people is just nonsense and I think you know that. IMDb doesn't use birth names to hurt people. Other people might use these names to hurt people, but that can't and shouldn't be blamed on an impartial database, it should be blamed on the people who willingly hurt other people.

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a year ago

It’s good to read this part from the Variety article:

”The IMDb spokesperson also said for birth name removal requests pertaining to titles in which a person was credited on-screen as their birth name, their credited name will remain listed in the credits section of applicable IMDb name and title pages in parentheses.”

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What does that mean? That their original name will still appear?

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If I understand correctly:

If someone was credited under their birth (or other former) name, then the credited name will still appear for credit identification purposes along with the current name (but the birth name will not appear in the biography section if requested).

If someone was not ever credited under their birth name, and all of the other conditions apply, then you won't see the birth name anymore.

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Ya because Imdb stress that on-screen credits are what matter

But they also state that will go forth and erase ALL birth names of those who have changed their names for whatever reason..

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a year ago

My big question is: with this new policy revision..

Are the rules in these 3 following articles still permanent

https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...#

And

https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...#

And

https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...#

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Are the rules in these 3 following articles still permanent

The way I understand all this bad news, is that the content of the first two articles needs an update and is currently incorrect.

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But the 3rd remains unaffected because it just has to do with film titles, tv show titles and video game titles, not their individual credits?

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I think so, yes.

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a year ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New imdb policy on birth names.

Because of this new policy on removing birth names

https://variety.com/2019/film/actors/...

Imdb will still keep all factual film titles, tv shows and video game titles permanently? Correct?

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a year ago

The way I see it is, if IMDb caves for this.. soon other people in the industry will request removals of other valid information, then pretty much anyone will be able to remove whatever they want.. this new policy completely defeats the purpose of building a database.. it’s supposed to build and keep a permanent catalog of all things for film, tv shows and video games.. that’s its purpose

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a year ago

Wow, Facebook comments on this article appearing on IMDb are a tsunami of people overreacting and being unnecessary rude...  

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Ya.. very bad call..

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a year ago

Being rude about is extremely unnecessary for sure.. my only concern is that hoping this nee policy doesn’t compromise the database where everyone will soon request removals..

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a year ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Question about the new policy.

Can a staff member please confirm this: So to be absolutely clear, will this new policy regarding name changes, will it affect film titles, tv shows and video game staying on imdb permanently? Film titles, tv shows and video games staying on imdb for good will never change, correct?