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Audio Description Narrator is considered an acting role?

Does IMDb really consider an audio description narrator to be an acting role? Or a sound department function?  What is your reasoning behind this?  How do you decide whether to credit that in the Cast or Sound Department section?  I am amazed you do not consider it something that belongs in the Other Crew category.  https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2297362/

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Hi @brett_erik_johnson - Credits would only be considered acting credits if they are listed in the original version's on-screen credits under the cast list. We will confirm with our policy team if some of the credits on the page are eligible and where they should be listed.  Thanks for reporting!

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@brett_erik_johnson , I just received confirmation from @Bethanny  that anything in regards to Audio Description (AD) is not applicable to the original version (OV) for IMDb's database (as a line item in anyone's filmography).  They removed all of mine a while back and left a lot up for others, so I reached out to IMDb for more clarity on their policy.  It's the same idea for any type of re-versioning of the sound (ie:  foreign dubbing, commentaries, conforms, M&E creations, etc).  IMDb offers the "other works" area to detail this, but re-versioning work isn't eligible as a line item in a filmography.  Here is the link to my thread and @Bethanny can correct me if I've misquoted her at all. https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/credit-submissions-for-audio-description/655016ce9a86502528ed7acc If you are on IMDbPro, there is an easy way to see if other filmographies have any credit entries that should be treated fairly and removed (as they are just re-versioning and not part of the OV).  Go to the top drop-down menu that's called "People" and make a selection (I've been using "Top STARmeter"), then select the drop-down menu on the top left called "Profession" and select "Sound Department" (or whatever department applies).  Then on the left you can find "Occupation/Credit keywords" and enter in keywords for the task ("audio description" in this case) and conduct your search. Here's an example of multiple entries in multiple filmographies that IMDb has yet to remove because they are all for audio description and not applicable to the OV: https://pro.imdb.com/discover/people?profession=sound_department&sortOrder=STARMETER_ASC&includeDeceased=true&ref_=hm_nv_ppl_tsm&minNumOfReleasedCredits=1&creditBeginYear=2018&pageNumber=1&occupationFuzzy=audio%20description @Bethanny closed my other thread on this before I could mention how much comes up on searches and that we should all be treated equally on this policy.  I'm glad you brought up the subject of AD again so @Bethanny is now aware of all of the other policy violations, and I won't have to start a new thread on it. The only exception I'm aware that IMDb has made is when this type of work has an on-screen credit in the OV (note that this doesn't included any still credit cards added after the OV ends, things like foreign dub cards, etc).  I personally have never seen any re-versioning credits wind up on the OV (that kind of defies the logic of the whole concept) except for when it's entirely new version of the title (which would then have a different title name to indicate it's a new version, aka a new OV). By the way, the 2 hitches I see so far in IMDbPro's search tool is that there is no selection under "Profession" for "Series Sound Department" (which excludes a large amount of entries), and entries of foreign audio work entered by the specific language requires a search by that language (ie: if someone says they did the "French mix", you would have to enter "French" into your keyword search rather than "foreign").   One last point to reiterate in regards to your original question, a narrator that's not included in the OV doesn't have a profession line that belongs in a filmography.  IMDb's policy is that if something is not in the OV, then it can only be listed in the "other works" biography section. Hopefully, the IMDb team that reviews all of this data has a full understanding of all the professions in regards to sound work for OV content.  Obviously, with all of the active filmography entries that don't comply with their policies, something's up.  I've offered to help out with clarification from my 30+ years in sound, but no one from IMDb has taken me up on it.  Considering IMDb is the world's #1 database for all of this content, I hope they are willing to clean this all up soon and keep it accurate :) At the end of the day, it's best to see what @Bethanny (or someone on her team) responds with as they are the authority on these matters.  I'm contributing my knowledge to your thread in hopes that it will benefit the IMDb community in regards to clarification of policies.  I hope some of this helps and that the page (your query) remains searchable for others to find in times of needed clarification.

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@hkpwnetd​ after I submitted the above response, I see that @Bethanny had already responded.  Her response wasn't visible to me until after I posted my response.  It's still all relative, so I hope she addresses any details that I may have missed or confused.

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@hkpwnetd​ Thank you for your exceptionally thorough, detailed response.  Unfortunately, my submissions are usually rejected if I attempt to delete credits for somebody... even when moving their credits to the appropriate section.  Occasionally, if you point out an egregious example, they will clean it up themselves... but often they do not.  For example, I gave them the page of somebody who has a bunch of Audio Description "acting" credits that should not be there but they did not remove them. The IMDb database is absolutely massive and I cannot imagine how many submissions are made on a daily basis so I know it must often be overwhelming for them.  However, it is frustrating when you point something out to them and they acknowledge that you are correct and then apparently do nothing about it.  I highly doubt they will ever attempt to clean up all of the AD acting credits.  It would be great if they would reach out to more people like you with experience to try and help them get a handle on things.  Good luck with that. 

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Hi @hkpwnetd - Just to clarify our policy further here, we currently do not allow credited voice roles that are dubbing unless they are English version voice dubs.  So for example, if is a Japanese animated film, we will allow credits to be listed for the English voice dub, however, we would not allow the credit listing for the French voice dub or an audio dub. The examples you pointed out on the IMDbPro search results were for individuals who were listed with English version voice attributes, which are acceptable as per our policy.  However, if you are aware of invalid listings with audio or other version dubs, you should report them for removal through our online Update form - if you have reported them and the submissions were incorrectly declined, I encourage you to post the 18-digit submission reference numbers here for our staff to investigate. I hope this helps clarify.

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Hi @Michelle , thanks for the clarification on the English voice actors (I've had different responses about that from your team before, it seems like a controversial exception if the OV is not in English).  However, there are definitely audio description entries on those links (hence the usage of the search tool).  Let me know if don't have visibility and I'll send you a screen shot of what I see. Due to the volume, I don't think any user will take their personal time to report all of the 18-digit submission reference numbers.  It's much easier to use the search tool.  I'm not interested in reporting people, my hope is that we all just get treated equally :) I also do my best to remember to use the Update Form.  I've just had mostly canned responses that made no sense (AI related?).  So, when it's appropriate and informative to the community, I try to post here. Thanks again Michelle! PS:  Any idea why some of my replies are tagged as "private"?

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@hkpwnetd​ The posts are tagged as private because they make false assertions — we do not use AI customer service agents. 

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Hi @hkpwnetd​ - Thanks for clarifying, I am seeing the ineligible credits now (I was looking under only the Actor section), and am seeing them now under Sound Department.  I will take another look at all the pages you reported from the results and work on cleaning those up.

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@Col_Needham​ hey Col, it's a pleasure to hear from you.  Then my apologies, that's what a bunch of my colleagues have been buzzing about since about the summer of last year.  It was probably an assumption as a lot of responses were copy and paste, or canned as some call it.