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Assistant writer - which department?

I came across with a TV series that has one (main) "writer" (not "screenplay", since this is original material) and three credits after that with "assistant writer". (Note: It's not "writer's assistant", "script editor" or "additional writer")

I know something about this series and I believe it's a collaboration of some sort with the main writer and others. I added these all to Writers department, and got this warning:

"This credit has warnings, you must acknowledge each one before this credit will be accepted.

This is non-English series, so basically I could probably also use "assistant screenwriter" and that seems to "accepted" by IMDb to Writers department. When it comes to English translation, "writer" and "screenwriter" are probably the same thing (like already said, "screenPLAY" has a different meaning => "screenplay/teleplay - The script was based on another work").

Does IMDb has any official input on this matter?

A) "assistant writer" vs "assistant screenwriter"? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenwriter )

B) To which department?

Thanks.

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5 years ago

I'm pretty sure I asked this months ago and it was answered "additional crew" which I think is wrong. I think "assistant writer" is writing credit where as "writer assistant" is an additional crew. But, IMDb seems to think that anything with the word "assistant" is additional crew (with certain exceptions of things that appear in dropdowns.)

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@Peter_pbn 

Thanks. It was after 2 am and I didn't feel like searching for it.

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5 years ago

I forgot the earlier thread. 

I have to agree that this doesn’t quite feel right. ”Assistant writer" is different from "writers' assistant" (like ”assistant director” is different from ”director’s assistant”).

And as I said before, ”assistant screenwriter” is accepted. Is that significantly different from ”assistant writer”? Not sure.

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That it is accepted by the form doesn't mean that it's accepted as policy.

I think Will's answer was pretty clear, again, 'any "assistant" writer role should be listed in the "other crew" bucket, not in the writer section.'

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@Peter_pbn 

I think the problem is there is no clear answer as to why "assistant writer" isn't a writing position. In actuality, it almost definitely is. By title, it would seem that they assist in the writing. It seems like a titling problem. If they were listed as story editor, story consultant, etc. (which probably all have similar roles in development of the screenplay/teleplay) then they would be listed in the writing department.

Rules without an good explanation rarely sit well with me. This is one that really needs to be evaluated as to whether it is correct. (And, it most certainly isn't. I think the software is doing pattern matching and considers "assistant writer" and "writer assistant" to be equivalent. They aren't.)

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The following statements of mine may be impertinent to the conversation at hand. I find it unfortunate that the industry and academia, or perhaps society more generally, cannot get away from using the word "writer" to refer to a storyteller/testifier. By how we understand it, technically somebody who purely verbally conveys something to a scrivener or a typist is just as much a writer as somebody who expresses themselves directly through text. As if to make things even more interesting, the meaning of the word "dictator" extends far beyond merely orator or speaker. I still have no idea what exactly an assistant writer does, but I get the feeling such a person isn't merely a scribe or typist, yet that is exactly the kind of thought that crosses my mind, given the IMDb data editors attitude on the matter. Maybe "assistant writer" can vary wildly in meaning, that it could merely be consultant who actively participates in brainstorming, or a "script doctor", or even a "grammarian" (with a red ink pen).

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5 years ago

I just 30 minutes ago added credits to one film that had both ”sound assistant” and ”art director assistant” credits involved. These are accepted just fine (by the ”system”, I mean).

So the word ”assistant” is not the problem here. I mean occupations like (at least 1st) ”camera assistant” is basically the next in line from ”director of photography” (along with main  ”gaffer”).

But if ”assistant writer” goes to Misc Department, then so be it. Not the end of the world, obviously.

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5 years ago

Hey all - I have forwarded this thread to our crew credits experts for their comments. I'll reply here when I have them.

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5 years ago

Hey everyone - I've spoken to the crew credits experts and our policy on these credits remains the same.

 

As we previously advised, in line with our existing credits in the minor crew department, all assistant writer roles should be listed in the additional crew section.

 

Thanks for your understanding.

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Hi, Grayson. That's fine and all, but this question will probably keep coming up over and over and over, until the IMDb site authorities provide an actual explanation.

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@Grayson 

As Jeorj states, there needs to be a reasonable explanation as to why people, who almost definitely contribute to the writing process, are not credited as writers.

The fact that this question has been asked twice, recently, verifies his point that it will continue to be asked as it does not make a lot of sense to the people who actually contribute to IMDb.

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6 months later, I am once again seeing "assistant story editor" credits which are almost certainly writing credits that we cannot move out of additional crew and still no explanation why "assistant story editor" is an additional crew credit but "junior story editor" is a writing credit as they probably describe the exact same job.