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"(archiveFootage)"

A little while ago, I reported that several archive footage credits are being displayed as:

Self (archiveFootage)

(The "archiveFootage" part appears as part of the character name, not in the attribute field)

This was addressed by Michelle, who reported in another thread that she had reached out to the contributor (https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/self-archivefootage/61d42c0059e8f360a0ce459b)

However, the problem is still continuing; over the past few months I've been using Google to periodically check on these, and am managing to keep on top of them, but obviously it's not ideal to have to keep fixing them like this.

Of course, it's possible that another contributor is also doing this, but it seems unlikely because a) it's a very specific error to be making, and b) they follow the contributor's pattern of updating documentaries about (mainly) the British and Russian royal families.

However, after reviewing another thread about a similar topic, I wonder if this is a site issue:

- the attribute "archive footage" is displayed as "archiveFootage" (mixed case and no space between words); this affects Reference View but does not affect pro.imdb.com

(https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/imdbcom/display-issues-in-reference-view/5f4b5e008815453dbaaa2e3f)


So maybe the error is persisting because the data is being submitted by a contributor who is using Reference View (or something else that is causing the same effect) and the data automatically defaults to this error when it is submitted?

Here are the two most recent corrections I have submitted for this, in case it would be useful to analyse the original submissions that caused the errors for these titles:

220627-105828-169000

220627-105954-525000

EDIT: Here are some further examples that I found earlier today:

220629-160133-058000

220629-160146-074000

220629-160204-154000

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4 years ago

So maybe the error is persisting because the data is being submitted by a contributor who is using Reference View (or something else that is causing the same effect) and the data automatically defaults to this error when it is submitted?

No, data will not "automatically defaults to it when it is submitted", submission form will not do such a thing. But yes reference view displays these in that way. So it's probably someone who uses reference view and cause is likely they think that's the correct formatting because of seeing these credits like that  and submits them that way. So it's most likely that individual's confusion. I'm sure contribution form will not make such a conversion during submission. There is no different contribution form for reference view users and others after all. It's same for everyone.

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4 years ago

Hi tom_wake -

Thanks for reporting this recurrence.  I can confirm that this is an issue at the contributor level, I have manually corrected any outstanding attributes listed incorrectly as "archiveFootage" and have reached out the applicable contributors.

Thanks again and let us know if you are still observing newly added credits with the badly formatted attribute after this week. 

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@Michelle​ 

Hi Michelle,

You asked me to report any newly added credits; unfortunately I've just had to correct another eight across these three submissions:

220810-212441-859000

220810-212513-172000

220810-212607-036000

Thanks

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Hi tom_wake-

Since we reached out to the user and the problem persists, we have now taken further steps to avoid this happening again.

Cheers!

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2 years ago

Hi Michelle and Bethany,

In this thread, you asked me to report any further instances of this happening.

I am unable to respond in that thread because it has been closed by a member of staff, but I have come across some further occurrences:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1923842/fullcredits

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1923845/fullcredits

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13131686/fullcredits

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled (archiveFootage)

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Hi @tom_wake -

Thanks for reporting! I have now fixed it and reported the error.

Cheers!

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Thanks @Bethanny​ 

I've noticed one of the common connections for these titles is documentaries about Russian history, and that in many cases, long-dead members of the British and Russian royal families are being given cast credits with no "archive footage" attribute at all - for example, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13131686/fullcredits/

I don't know how much extra detail you can see at your end, but I wonder if you might have any insight as to whether it's the same person? It's simple enough to deduce that a 2018 credit for Queen Victoria wouldn't be new footage (although it's not very practical to keep constantly checking all these pages for new credits), but in the case of royals who are still alive (e.g. Prince William) there's just no way of telling the difference.

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@tom_wake​ Hey! Yes it is the same person, we had already taken action to avoid it happening, on this occasion they were processing errors which I have reported, it shouldn't be happening any more.

Cheers!

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2 years ago

Hi @Bethanny 

I am responding to this thread - https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/archivefootage/65246d6be82d554bfb13c45b

(I cannot reply directly because that thread has been closed)

I have found another page with two examples:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15079754/fullcredits

Thanks

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled (archiveFootage)

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Hi @tom_wake,

Thanks for the report.

I have corrected the attribute and will check if there is any more examples of this badly formatted attribute as well.

I hope this helps!

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Hi, @Ozzy​:

Shouldn't the (archive footage) attribute be in the attribute field instead of the character field?

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@ljdoncel​ Hi!

Yes I have fixed that now.

Cheers!

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Thank you very much, Bethanny.

Cheers!

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Hi @Bethanny 

Here's another new one:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0968581/fullcredits

Perhaps all three of these threads could be merged together?

1 - https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/archivefootage/62b991201186097eca946217

2 - https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/archivefootage/65246d6be82d554bfb13c45b

Thanks

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I have fixed the badly formatted credit, the changes will be live on the site shortly!

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@Fran​ Thanks Fran; sadly the wider issue is still not fixed, as I have spotted two new occurrences of the same issue:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt30743141/fullcredits (x3 credits)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6947440/fullcredits


Could I also repeat my request to have all three of my threads merged?

Many thanks

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Hi @tom_wake​ -

I have now combined the separate threads.  I have also corrected the credits you reported above and the changes should be live on the site shortly.

Thanks again!

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Thanks @Michelle !

Has the issue been fixed, or is it likely to keep happening?

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Hi @tom_wake​ -

We did send an outreach to the contributor responsible and did take some additional steps on our end to help prevent the incorrect formatting/usage.

If you are continuing to see these types of incorrect listings, post them here and I can then investigate further.

Thanks again!

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Hi @Michelle​ 

I'm afraid this is still happening:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6395182/fullcredits

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@tom_wake​ Hi! Thank you so much for reporting. Since email was sent and there was no change in the submissions we have taken further steps to stop the submissions completely.

Cheers!