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Adding Jon Bon Jovi to the cast of Young Guns declined

This is another weird problem. I went to add Tom Cruise and Jon Bon Jovi to Young Guns. It's well known that both appeared in the film (though not necessarily identifiable). I post an article from Spin where Keifer Sutherland talks about their appearance in the movie. The data editor accept Tom Cruise (who had previously been listed in the cast according to the Wayback Machine) but reject Bon Jovi which makes no sense at all to me.

The submission was: #220526-015758-064000

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The evidence for Cruise seems to be better. There is a previous post with sources here.

Among the other sources cited, this one refers to Cruise appearing in the first film and Bon Jovi in the sequel:

https://ew.com/article/2010/08/06/billy-the-kid-pardon-young-guns-ii-trivia/

Same with this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fffcZddyrU

Regarding Cruise, I note that this video claims he is a guy shot on the ground while the interviews say he was shot off a roof.

Even if an actor filmed a scene, that doesn't mean the footage ended up in the film.

"It's not enough to have just worked on a production: The scenes must be included in the final cut, and it must be possible to easily identify their appearance."

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/cast-acting-credits-guidelines/GH3JZC74FVYKKFMD#uncredited

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@Peter_pbn​ 

It defies logic that a filmmaker would have two of the biggest starts of the 80s on set, disguise them up, shoot scenes and then cut said scenes out of the final movie.

Also, the fact that Keifer Sutherland is talking about it 40+ years later is a pretty strong indication that the scenes were in the final cut. I'm sure he'd mention if they didn't make the cut because that would add to the story.

"Easily identifiable" is a weird thing. There are a lot of credited cast members who's appearances are so changed that they are not "easily identifiable" except that they are credited.

Edit: Another problem with the "easily identifiable" condition is the question "easily identifiable to whom?" If the answer is a moviegoer, then this renders about 99% of all "uncredited" cast ineligible and they should all be removed. Basically, with that condition only well known people would ever be eligible for "uncredited" cast inclusion.

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The fact that he was talking about it 30 years later also carries a risk that he is misremembering.

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Here’s the older thread (and that thread includes the link to even older thread - which doesn’t work, I guess):

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/uncredited-cast-addition-for-young-guns-1988-tom-cruise/5f4a7a338815453dba9dc508

Personally I believe that we can never really ”identify” him from the film. That was probably the idea all along, to be honest.

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Hi Adrian & All -

Concerning listing Jon Bon Jovi's 'uncredited' role in "Young Guns", as mentioned in the comments above, our policy for uncredited work is that the individual is identifiable on-screen.  In instances where there is a known cameo and the  individual is uncredited and intentionally disguised, then we will need substantial evidence to verify the role.

In this case, unfortunately, the Spin article is not enough to verify the role, ideally we will need to see a screen grab from the scene where Mr. Bon Jovi is featured, or if intentionally disguised, we will need see  substantial evidence from reputable industry sources.

I hope this helps!