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Updates to List Pages

Today (Dec 6) we are announcing an update to the List pages on the IMDb desktop experience. This update is part of the broader site changes announced recently (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0). After in-depth discussion and examination, we have decided to simplify the features and functionality for lists. We have merged “compact view” and list editing into a single Edit experience. In that one view, you can now modify your text and add, copy, delete and move items. We have also pulled List actions (edit, export, settings) together into a 1-click menu (the 3 vertical dots on the top right of the page). You will now also find two new options in the Refine menu: ‘In Theaters’ and ‘Keywords.’  Tech constraints on the new system prohibit us from continuing to support drag-and-drop from the Edit view; we appreciate your understanding. For more information about Lists, see the IMDb Help Center.

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chris_6268266

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8 years ago

I can't delete some titles off my lists.  I can only move them.

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phil_leguichard

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8 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Progress Bar on IMDb Lists.

I'm wondering what happened to the progress bar that could once be seen on the right side of the screen, beside any movie list on the IMDb website. It's boxed in the image below. It was a very useful tool to have when navigating movie lists on the site -- particularly lengthy lists. Perhaps you can bring it back? :D

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elijah_kay

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8 years ago

Okay, I left the conversation to give the staff a chance to act. I've been very disappointed by the results so far and by the sound of Karen's last post, they feel like they've basically "finished" the list system. Her suggestion to everyone to start posting in the general ideas section is just a way of burying future complaints and requests.

Since it looks like we're not going to get anything more out of the staff in terms of improvements, I'm going to be realistic with my demands.

Right now, IMDb have got me by the skin of their teeth. I recently conducted an experiment to find out if my popular list has financial value to Amazon/IMDb (hint: it does) so I feel empowered to make threats and demands.

I want at least one of the following three features pertaining to list reordering implemented or else I'm going to move my list over to my own site in the coming months:
  • The return of drag and drop reordering. I thought it wasn't a big loss but I was wrong. Moving a list item up one position has turned from a one second task into a ten second task. Ten seconds doesn't seem like a big deal until you're working with 2000 items.
  • Addition of a compact editor mode that displays up to 500 items at a time. This would reduce the burden of having no drag and drop.
  • Duplication of the editor controls and pagination at both the top and bottom of each editor page. I shouldn't need to scroll all the way up from the bottom of 250 items to save my new order or delete an item. Conversely, I shouldn't need to scroll all the way down from the top of 250 items to change page (although I use URLs for this primarily). The only control that it makes sense to stick at the bottom of the page with no duplication is the "Add a new..." search textbox.

TL;DR: I've waited months, list reordering still sucks, I'm worth listening to, fix my shit.

Thanks.

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bderoes

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Good to see you back here, watchinglotsofstuff.

Could you please clarify what you mean by the middle bullet's "compact editor"? Is it the old compact mode where you can refine the list you are editing, as outlined here:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/compact-view-for-title-lists-should-return-with-these-featur...
Or just a vertically shorter (skip the thumbnails and blanks lines between titles) version of what we have now?

I agree with your other requests, and encourage others who do to vote/comment here:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/edit-list-enhancement-requests
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In case people have forgotten or were unaware, watchinglotsofstuff's super-list (certainly in terms of traffic) is
"The goriest and most gory, violent and extreme movies of all time"
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls052109284/
Views: 318,444 | in last week 705
created - 13 Oct 2013 
(I'm not saying it's the highest volume of all time, but it's darned impressive. I just checked one that has higher volume overall, and extant 2 years longer, but had "only" 297 views last week.)

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elijah_kay

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Are you looking forward to getting started on watching the films though? ;)

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elijah_kay

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8 years ago

Oh and I was creating my own desktop list manager for us with all of the missing features but... well, blame IMDb for the fact that it will never be available.

IMDb doesn't provide an API, which is a big but not insurmountable problem. The problem is that they go out of their way to prevent automated logins and activity on IMDb so I can't even write my own API. They use obfuscated and regularly updated JS to make automated logins all but impossible without writing a full JS interpreter. I figured out an ugly workaround but I just don't trust IMDb not to shut it down.

I have an early alpha build that draws data from and modifies a live IMDb list. It has far more options for reordering than IMDb's editor (e.g. position numbering, drag and drop, up and down buttons, compact editor mode, variable length pagination -- including no pagination at all). One of the really awesome features is that if you type a new position number into an item's textbox and then hover over it, a modal appears with the name of the film that you're going to displace (i.e. stuff that most list editors could only dream of getting from IMDb itself).

I planned to release it as free, open source software but I'm not going to finish it because it's not a trivial project and I don't trust IMDb not to pull the rug out from under me as soon as I try to publish it. I'm not going to finish it for personal use either because, as stated above, I plan to leave IMDb unless they make changes soon.

Of course, they could always reach out to me and support my efforts but the chances of that happening are asymptotic to zero.

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elijah_kay

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8 years ago

Short demo of my Chrome extension that brings back old features (e.g. drag and drop) and adds new ones:
https://vimeo.com/265873386

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matias_kj_lstad

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8 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The List has changed for the worse (In my opinion).

I like listing on IMDb, but I liked it more before. Now the listing feature is not as good, unpractial and too cumbersome. Why did you have to change it so you could switch places for the titles/persons from lifting them up and down with you mouse to having to change the numbers one by one? It`s especially cumbersome when you add a new movie to a list that have other movies from before because you change every number! Why? and could you change it back?

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Matias Kjølstad, 

The feature you mention is commonly referred to as drag/drop. You may want to vote for/comment on the Idea here:

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/edit-list-enhancement-requests

I don't understand your comment about changing the numbers one by one. If you mean that it's best to move one title/name at a time, I agree. But I hope you don't think you have to change all the numbers by hand. 

Just keep in mind that when moving a title/name up the list (from a high position number to a lower one), just specify the number at which you want the title/name to appear. But moving in the opposite direction, to a position with a higher number than is current, you need to specify the position number 1 less than where you want it to be (because by moving the title/name, one fewer title/name will appear before that location.)

So if your list is 1) X, 2) Y, 3) Z, 4) A, and you want to move 4 to 1, just enter 1 in place of 4. But if you want to move 1 to 3, enter 2 in place of 1.

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