List-Like Pages Beta

Hi @FeRDNYC​ -

Just to help clarify, descending is blue.  Given your feedback, our team will review for future feature considerations.

@Michelle​ Right, but I mean... I wasn't asking, I was pointing out that for anyone viewing the page, there's no way to know. (Or, at least, there's nothing that communicates that information on the page itself. Someone can certainly look at how their items are sorted and figure it out. But that's way less direct than an arrow pointing upwards or downwards.)

Making the control communicate its direction would be so easy, too. Like, right now, it's an SVG of two filled arrows  pointing in opposite directions (a meaningless icon if ever I saw one), with fill="currentColor" as an attribute. The CSS sets the color of the containing button element to blue when it's styled .sort-order-desc, and that gets inherited by the SVG.

Instead, imagine the SVG is a single arrow pointing upwards (or a pair of arrows with the downward-pointing one unfilled, like the old page's sprites), and the CSS instead contains this:

#swap-sort-order-button.sort-order-desc svg {
    transform: rotate(180deg);
}

Done. The arrow (or arrows) spins to point in the opposite direction when it's set to .sort-order-desc.

I see that this has now been improved somewhat, by keeping the same "two-way street" icon, but limiting the blue coloring to the arrow that represents the current sorting direction. My sincere kudos for iterating on the design to address feedback.

The new effect is a bit subtle, but a definite improvement, at least for those of us who are able to easily discern an arrow colored blue vs. one colored black. (And fortunately, that should even include users with most forms of partial color blindness.) Alas, not everyone falls into that category either, so the new solution continues to fail Web Content Accessibility Criterion 1.4.1 Use of Color:

Color is not used as the only visual means of conveying information, indicating an action, prompting a response, or distinguishing a visual element.

Thank you.

I don't love the new, more-detailed grid view with things like "Watch Options" tacked onto each item, but I don't hate it either.

Actually, the changes to the handling of "Watch Options" between the old and new versions are pretty surprising.

When the old "Your Ratings" page was in list view, as you scrolled down through the items it would make a query for each item's watch options, and tack a specific one onto the list item. (Seemingly defaulting to Amazon offerings, whenever possible. Gotta keep Business Daddy happy!) If the title had more than one option available, it'd also include a menu button that would open a popup listing the others.

Now, in grid view every item has a "Watch Options" link, in both list views it's a somewhat-misleading "information" button instead, and specific watch options are never shown for any of the entries. You have to open the popup to see what (if anything) is available. (I suppose the popup does technically show more information than just Watch Options. But it's the same popup in all three views, so labeling it "Watch Options" in one and "information" in the other is a really weird choice.)

The removal of specific watch options displayed directly on the list items is a surprising step backwards in terms of marketing synergies, tho. Not that I'm complaining, I'm just surprised.

@FeRDNYC​ Thanks for the feedback:

Now, in grid view every item has a "Watch Options" link, in both list views it's a somewhat-misleading "information" button instead, and specific watch options are never shown for any of the entries.

The button is labelled “Watch Options” when we have any watch options and “Details” when we do not, although please remember that not all watch options are available in all regions.  Do you have examples to illustrate any cases which have a different behaviour and, if so, can you let us know in which country are you located?  

@Col_Needham​ Well, my point was more that it's always labeled "information" (or, actually, "ⓘ") in the list views. On every row.

I do have one item in the new grid view that's labeled "Details" instead of "Watch Options", a video game title from 1990. And that does, in fact, come up completely blank for watch options, in the old layout.

But there are several more that show only "Search on Amazon", in the old view. Which didn't really seem like a regular watch option, from the way it's formatted. (It doesn't have the little "Play" icon next to it, for one thing.) All of those show "Watch Options" in the new grid view. But I guess if "Search on Amazon" still counts as a watch option, then everything's working as you described.

I'm in the US, BTW.

@FeRDNYC​ Sorry on the "Information" mix-up there, which was my error.  I have now corrected my reply above to refer to the "Details" button.   Since the paragraph opened with you mentioning grid view, I missed your point on detailed view which does indeed always have an "(i)" present. 

Here's a row of titles from my Netflix watchlist when accessed from the US in grid view, where the last titles is not yet streaming:

Also, the blue filter symbol to the left of the "Sort by" menu near the top of each list will  allow you to filter by some availability in any view (and eventually we aim to add more). From another of my lists:

You also wrote:

But I guess if "Search on Amazon" still counts as a watch option, then everything's working as you described.

Yes, that is correct, just as on the title pages:

The "Search Amazon" only appears when there's a DVD/Bluray offer available. 

Hope this helps. 

Hi @prossm​ -

Thank so much for your feedback!

Hi @FeRDNYC​ -

Thanks for you feedback, this is a standard presentation and is just a selector point to see where you are.

Hi @FeRDNYC​ -

Thanks for this feedback.  You are still welcome to swap directions to view differently.

Hi @Nitecrew​ -

Thanks for reporting, I was also able to replicate this issue and have filed  a ticket with the team to investigate further.

Hi @hinayamazaki​ -

Thank you for your feedback, for the editing list issue, this has already been captured as a known issue and we are working on a fix.

@snnsnshn​ Thanks for the feedback.  For context, the iOS app sort order is sticky on an individual list basis, so the app remembers whatever order was last used on each list.  This is what we want to support eventually on the web too.  

In the meantime, we prefer list order on the web since that gives the list creator more control over the order -- as items are added later, they can always be moved up/down as the author prefers vs. added order over which there is no additional control. 

Hope this helps. 

Hi @Hallmarkie​ -

Thank you for your feedback, this has been determined by extensive user research but please feel free to change the ordering and/or utilize the vast filtering/sorting options.

Wait, extensive user research determined that the "Your Ratings" list should default to sorting "Most Recent" (exactly what @Hallmarkie is requesting for the "Your Checkins" list), but instead the preferred sorting for "Your Checkins" is oldest-first?

I'm not disbelieving your research claim, Michelle, I'm just trying to figure out who the weirdos in the test group were!

@Michelle actually earlier in this thread Col mentioned that the recent-first sorting is also IMDb's preference (to be implemented in the future, I assume). It is not about the possiblity to switch the settings each time we open the Check-ins, but the change in default setup.

@Stormcatcher​ / @FeRDNYC /@Hallmarkie  Sorry for the confusion here, while other aspects of the design have been tested as @Michelle states, the DEFAULT order for check-ins has not, hence my question at the start of the thread.  As a heavy check-in user myself (8.6K titles) I definitely would prefer the newest at the top, just like ratings.  Since all of the feedback on the initial subthread and now here prefer the same order, we will ask the team to flip the order for check-ins. 

@Col_Needham thank you for your answer and the explanation. Flipping the order would be perfect, as it is one of the features I have been looking out for since I-don't-know-when. :)

I appreciate both your and @Michelle's support!

Hi @norolim​ -

Thanks for your feedback and raising these issues:

1. Please see our response by Col earlier in the thread. We are and will continue to work on performance improvements with specific focus on longer lists.

2. This is a known issue that is being tracked by the team, we will be extending a fix shortly.

3. We appreciate your feedback. This is working as expected; we save the comment when you lose focus to ensure your work has been saved.

@Michelle​ Regarding the 3rd point about saving work when "los[ing] focus", I can see how this might be well-intentioned, but there are a lot of reasons for someone to switch tabs besides losing focus. For example, if I'm including an actor's selected filmography in the notes, I might have that actor's page open in another tab so I can switch back and forth while copying parts of it into the notes. This would become very tedious if the notes closed up every time I switched tabs.

EDIT:

There is already a mechanism in place to protect unsaved work. If a user tries to click "done" while there are still note boxes open, a pop-up appears asking if they wish to discard changes or cancel. Currently, this message only pops up when clicking on the "done" link, but I've seen other websites that have similar pop-up messages when attempting to close out of a window as well. Surely there must be some way for IMDb to do the same thing. Wouldn't that be sufficient?

Hi @timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1​ -

Thanks for your comments, we are reviewing all feedback and suggestions and will take these into future consideration. 

@Michelle​ 

Thank you for the reply. With regards to issue 3, as @timothy_gray_el34lojg1aih1 mentioned, there are many reasons to switch tabs, when editing a description for a list entry. I do it often, as I look for information in other tabs I keep open. As a result, with the current solution in place I find I have to repeat the click the edit box->resize->scroll down sequence of actions dozens of times during a single edit. This is very tedious and, as I'm sure you understand, not an improvement.

I agree with the response to issue 1, although a "View All" button would be very welcome. It would solve the main problem, I currently have with the new layout. Thank you.

@norolim​ For #1 we have made some changes this week and the remaining items now load automatically once you scroll past the first 100 items.  

For #2, similarly a change yesterday no longer reloads/redraws as you move items as long as the list is fully loaded (see solution to #1). 

Hope this helps. 

@Col_Needham​ Thank you for your reply.

For #1: thank you for fixing this issue. It's still a bit slow for very long lists (over 500 entries), because it still loads in chunks, but it happens automatically after the first 100. Also, could you please provide a quick way to view the whole list in normal mode (not just edit mode).

For #2: unfortunately, although you managed to fix this problem, i.e. the list reloads all the entries after reordering, you introduced a new issue. When you enter a note for a list entry and then reorder that entry, the note disappears. Please fix.

@norolim​ 

For #1: thank you for fixing this issue. It's still a bit slow for very long lists (over 500 entries), because it still loads in chunks, but it happens automatically after the first 100. Also, could you please provide a quick way to view the whole list in normal mode (not just edit mode).

The view mode works the same as edit, so once you scroll past 100 it should all load just as in edit mode. 

For #2: unfortunately, although you managed to fix this problem, i.e. the list reloads all the entries after reordering, you introduced a new issue. When you enter a note for a list entry and then reorder that entry, the note disappears. Please fix.

Ah,  we will report this to the team (and it happens on small lists too).  The note is actually still there as you can confirm by reloading the page after the move.  As a workaround in the meantime, you can move the item before adding the note. 

@Col_Needham​ thank you for the reply.

The view mode works the same as edit, so once you scroll past 100 it should all load just as in edit mode.

This is not entirely accurate. In edit mode, once you scroll down to position 100, the rest of the list loads automatically. It does it chunks, but all you have to do is wait a couple of seconds.

In viewing mode once you scroll down to the bottom of the page, i.e. the last displayed entry, the list loads another chunk and stops there. To see more, you have to scroll down to the bottom again and repeat that action multiple times in order to view the whole list. We'd appreciate, if you could add a View All button or modify the behaviour, to make it the same as in edit mode.

@norolim​ 

In viewing mode once you scroll down to the bottom of the page, i.e. the last displayed entry, the list loads another chunk and stops there. To see more, you have to scroll down to the bottom again and repeat that action multiple times in order to view the whole list.

It definitely works here as I described. I just reconfirmed it again with a 1,000+ item list of mine.  Could it be that you are moving too quickly to the bottom of the next 100? Note that view mode is slower because it loads more information per title than edit mode so this might explain it? 

@Col_Needham​ For me it definitely works the way I described. When I first view a large list, it displays 100 items. When I scroll down near the bottom of the page, it loads more entries, but not the full list. If I don't scroll down again, it won't load anything else, no matter how long I wait. So to see the whole list, I have to scroll down again and again and again...

In the edit mode it happens automatically, after the first 100 entries.

@norolim​ You wrote:

When I scroll down near the bottom of the page, it loads more entries, but not the full list. If I don't scroll down again, it won't load anything else, no matter how long I wait.

We still cannot reproduce this issue at all here, sorry.  This could be a local browser issue so please could you try the steps in https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/common-issues/why-is-imdb-displaying-differently-on-my-browser/GF2ZAR69V859XLHF and then let us know on which systems / browsers it is misbehaving (pay particular attention to disabling plugins, especially ad blockers).  Thanks. 

Hi @jeanluck​ -

Thanks for the feedback, we will consider as part of future optimizations.

Hi Michelle,

Great ! thanks...

@jeanluck​ You can do this already if you wish to filter your own lists by country.  Simply visit advanced title search at https://www.imdb.com/search/title/ and in the "Your lists" section on the left-hand side of the page, select the list you wish to filter in the "Include" form. In the "Country" section further up the page, you can select the country by which you wish to filter.  For example, to filter your watchlist to US titles only -> https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?country_of_origin=US&lists=watchlist 

For more information on advanced title search, please see https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/discover-watch/using-the-advanced-search-feature/GLUEUYWPQNPTEVPU

Hope this helps. 

Hi @mkevorkian​ -

Thanks for your feedback, I've shared your comments with the team!

Hi @virsacer​ -

Thank you for your feedback.  

For your ratings issue, can you provide additional detail, such as your ratings page URL and a screenshot if possible? This will help us try to reproduce the issue.

For you Top 250 comment, this is working as expected.  We don't retain a past order count when filtering by "Hide titles you've rated".

For exports, the release date currently used for exports is the US release date. We are in the process of reviewing future improvements for locale specific release dates. 

Hi @Michelle,

thanks for your reply.

My ratings: https://www.imdb.com/user/ur18687658/ratings/

So, one title is missing, but I have no idea which one...

This also shows the difference in size of the images - can we have the bigger ones back?

Ok, localized export for title and releasedate would be great :-)

Hi @virsacer​ -

Thanks for the additional details, I have provided them to the team and they are investigating.

Hi @raghavan_rave​ -

Thank you for your feedback. Please see below for comments on each your items:

1. We are currently reviewing your suggestion of adding an Import List option as a future improvement.
2. This is all ready supported on both the list of lists page (3 dot menu) and the list page (on top their is an Edit button)
3. We are currently working to add this functionality, as well as remembering other options (sort/filter) as a future improvement.
4. Please refer to Col's past feedback on the thread around infinite pagination
5. When you copy/move list items, they will added to the bottom of the list.