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IMDb message boards

Please see the text below from http://www.imdb.com/board/announcement

In addition, we have created a new Get Satisfaction categories for "I Need to Know" to replace the "I Need to Know" message board and "IMDb Poll" to replace the "IMDb Poll" message board. A post on the Contributors Help board explains the migration path from there to the newly renamed Get Satisfaction category "Data Issues & Policy Discussions"  (which is an already active community here). 

An FAQ on the closure is now available at http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?boardsclosurefaq

IMDb Message Boards Announcement

IMDb is the world’s most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. As part of our ongoing effort to continually evaluate and enhance the customer experience on IMDb, we have decided to disable IMDb’s message boards on February 20, 2017. This includes the Private Message system. After in-depth discussion and examination, we have concluded that IMDb’s message boards are no longer providing a positive, useful experience for the vast majority of our more than 250 million monthly users worldwide. The decision to retire a long-standing feature was made only after careful consideration and was based on data and traffic.

Increasingly, IMDb customers have migrated to IMDb’s social media accounts as the primary place they choose to post comments and communicate with IMDb’s editors and one another. IMDb’s Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/imdb) and official Twitter account (https://twitter.com/imdb) have an audience of more than 10 million engaged fans. IMDb also maintains official accounts on Snapchat (https://www.snapchat.com/add/imdblive), Pinterest (https://www.pinterest.com/imdbofficial/), YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/imdb), and Tumblr (http://imdb.tumblr.com/).

Because IMDb’s message boards continue to be utilized by a small but passionate community of IMDb users, we announced our decision to disable our message boards on February 3, 2017 but will leave them open for two additional weeks so that users will have ample time to archive any message board content they’d like to keep for personal use. During this two-week transition period, which concludes on February 19, 2017, IMDb message board users can exchange contact information with any other board users they would like to remain in communication with (since once we shut down the IMDb message boards, users will no longer be able to send personal messages to one another). We regret any disappointment or frustration IMDb message board users may experience as a result of this decision.

IMDb is passionately committed to providing innovative ways for our hundreds of millions of users to engage and communicate with one another. We will continue to enhance our current offerings and launch new features in 2017 and beyond that will help our customers communicate and express themselves in meaningful ways while leveraging emerging technologies and opportunities.


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170 Points

9 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Message Boards.

Please do not close down the Message Boards!

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442 Points

9 years ago

I want to know how anybody associated with this decision can equate a facebook, a tumblr and a twitter account to individual title boards, each containing individual message threads.  No, really, explain it to me.  And do it with a straight face.

Take any three adjacent messages in any thread on any board for any title, and the chances are really good that the messages are related to each other.  Now try that on the other platforms you are offering as a "better alternative".  Good luck with that.

"Hey guys- I've got an idea- lets take all the threads from all the titles on IMDb and put them in one list arranged chronologically according to the timestamp of the original post."  How is it that the person that originally suggested that idea is still with IMDb?  That person, along with the oxygen thieves that agreed with that idea need to be bred out of existence.

Bad call, IMDb, really bad call.

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2.2K Points

Precisely! How about next time I want to ask anyone who's watched "The Enfield Haunting" if they happen to have an opinion as to why Janet saw herself through the window? Do you have any idea what I'm on about? No, ofc you don't, because you haven't seen it and couldn't care less! So... where would I naturally post such a question? On the IMDb message board for The Enfield Haunting, of course!

Now - it seems to me that this Col bloke and his mates are actually suggesting that I should now instead be posting that sort of question to the IMDb FB, Instagram or Tumblr pages instead?? 

OK, let's take this thought experiment one step further - how about all the hundreds of thousands of us regular Message Board users do exactly that - EVERY time we would normally post every little query or comment to the Message Board! IMDb's social media would implode. And not in a good way, I'm thinking...

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606 Points

Exactly. And how other posters are supposed to find yours and other people's comments on a particular film.

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490 Points

Great point.

I am not sure the powers that be really thought this through or maybe they just don't care. Do social network sites bring in money for businesses?

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2.2K Points

Social network sites have a lot of ads on them - FB in particular - so yes, I imagine they do bring a LOT of $$ in for businesses. Perhaps that is the real reason behind all this?

The answer will be to boycott IMDb's social media I suppose. And if enough people start to post comments on the FB and other social media pages that discuss very particular points about every single movie and TV show, imagine what a shambles that will end up looking like...

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490 Points

Let the spoilers fly!

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1.1K Points

Agree, Ralph! And btw, why DID Janet look out the window?

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2.2K Points

Ah, to find out the answer to that, @DTinHI, you'll need to check out the IMDb message board for "The Enfield Haunting(2015)" - but for chrissakes do it before 20th Feb, or you may never know the answer!

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442 Points

Not just spoilers, RJ.  Anybody familiar with the idiocy on parade known as the board for [link=tt1520211] who also knows what the unmoderated free-fire zone can devolve into can imagine the bloodbath IMDb's twitter will be for the 48 hours after each episode.  Those poor,sweet little nanas who want to comment on the Hallmark Channel's MOW are going to end up on life support if they see the vitriol that some of the TWD cellar dwellers can spew.  Spin that one IMDb corporate!

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442 Points

Oh.  My.  God.

[link=tt1520211] = The Walking Dead

This just keeps getting better.

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490 Points

9 years ago

I don't have a lot of extra money, but I would be willing to pay a dollar a month to use the message boards. Make it like an up graded feature, but cheaper than IMDB Pro.

Would anyone else pay to use IMDB Message Boards?

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2.2K Points

I would, if it was the only way to save it from a cruel and unnecessary death!

But people have been calling for YEARS (literally) for a paid version of the IMDb mobile app in order to remove the annoying popup ads (mostly all for IMDb's parent company Amazon!) and that has fallen on deaf ears :-(

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184 Points

Yes, I'm in the same boat as you, but a minimal fee to use the boards would be fine.

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250 Points

Many would do the same

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1.1K Points

I would totally pay for it.

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2.2K Points

Great point, @jsii "Who built/grew the entire database over the years?" - which raises the ethical (if not legal) question as to what right do they have to trash & burn all of our contributions since 2002!?

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2.2K Points

9 years ago

Remember Geocities? Way back in the 90s, way before MySpace, indeed before the term 'social media' had even been thought of, Geocities provided free (advertiser supported) websites for anyone who wanted one. 

Then Yahoo bought them out. Yahoo, in their wisdom, couldn't make a go of it - so they shut it down and everyone lost their websites :-(  

BUT... at least Yahoo gave everyone some decent time to prepare for it - at least a YEAR I seem to recall, not 2 WEEKS...

But I digress - the point I'm making is that the world didn't end after Geocities was nuked by Yahoo - (arguably it was a worse place, for sure, as it was a decision motivated by nothing but corporate greed, ie. to save a few pennies at the expense of many, many users) - but look what happened to Yahoo since then...

Corporate Karma, I call it :-p

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270 Points

9 years ago

I am really disappointed in IMdB.  I love old movies.  I understand that recent movies often generate negative discussions - especially between fandoms (i.e. Marvel vs. DC - is it not possible to like both?), but the discussions for movies from the 70s and earlier provide a wonderful service.  Often there are informed discussions between film aficionados, or those involved in the industry.  Historical context is often provided by those with more experience (historians, those who lived at the time, or those involved with a situation that was turned into a movie) - for example, it's a little thing, but many younger people may not understand what a car's choke is and will wonder why a character pulls a knob before starting a car.  It may not be important to a story, but that doesn't mean it's not important to a viewer.

Would it not be possible to keep boards for movies of a certain age (I don't know, ten years, or twenty) open - just not for new movies, in order to keep the trolling in check?  It really seems that IMdB is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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1.1K Points

Agreed. I just can't get over why any site would turn away visitors, especially long-time visitors. 13 years here. I hit the individual board of a movie or tv show every time I watch something. IMDb is the water cooler of tv and film!! There is no other.

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1.1K Points

9 years ago

I just can't understand why any site would shoot itself in the foot and TURN AWAY visitors. Especially visitors who make IMDb their one-stop movie and television site.

Last night I watched a movie on TCM. As is habit for the past 13 years that I've been an IMDb member, I thought hmmm, I wonder what others thought about a certain scene. Went to the film's board and read many opinions about it. I'm not going to get that ANYWHERE after you shut down the boards. And all those well-thought-out posts will be gone. Thousands upon thousands of them.

This is like watching a family member on their deathbed, knowing that everything they ever knew will be gone with the flip of a switch.

Not sure why you don't just get rid of the general boards and keep the individual movie/tv show/actor/director boards.

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930 Points

Seriously. I think getting rid of the general boards would solve this alleged "troll problem." There are many outlets on the internet to discuss politics and general topics, but there is nowhere else online that offers discussion on individual films/television/actors/etc. 

And I had the same experience as you this morning: I was watching Camelot (1967) on TCM and (as is second nature after 11 years) I went on the boards to see what others thought of the art direction. I instantly found a great thread about the look of the film. It is almost unfathomable that I will no longer be able to do this. 

I have already been contacted by a redditor who is in the process of recreating a version of the boards. This is your loss IMDB. Those that have been maintaining your site (voluntarily!) and following you loyally will find a new home. And you will suffer greatly. 

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220 Points

9 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Keeping the message boards open -- under new rules.

Dear IMDB, Please read the petition and boards themselves to see how many around the world care that the message boards remain. Perhaps you can incorporate what led to the decision into a new set of rules under which they may be kept open. Their loss would be great. They are perhaps the only place to go for elevated, or just generic, discourse about films and TV, past and present, with those from around the globe. 

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200 Points

9 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Much information will be lost.

It's dismaying to see you will shut down the boards, though I agree that many people become abusive and that should be moderated. However, there's a wealth of information that users have provided over the years, useful stuff about various movies and personalities. Even if you won't allow any more posts, couldn't you just leave the ones that are there in place? I've frequently found good information posted by users that wasn't available in the normal way, and it would be a shame to lose that vast store of knowledge.

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1.1K Points

Yes, even an archived version of everything would be better than pulling the plug! I'm just devastated all that well-thought-out information will be lost with the flip of a switch.

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180 Points

9 years ago

PLEASE don't shut down your message boards! Your statement says that the boards are "used by a small group of people" and it sounds like this played a major role in this (in my opinion, very bad) decision. What about all the people who love to read the boards, but don't actively participate? I'm one of those people, and once the boards are shut down, my IMDb visits will go from daily to never again. You've lost me and I hope you're reading all of the messages not only here, but on your Facebook, Twitter, etc. 

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200 Points

9 years ago

Please do not get rid of the message boards. The message boards are the main reason I come to IMDB. Every time I watch a new film or as I'm watching a TV show I come to the boards to see what others think and enjoy all the different opinions, even if I don't always agree. I also enjoy the discussion about particular actors I love. Where else can I find discussion about obscure  films? If there is a troll I don't wish to see, I use the ignore feature. I feel closing the boards because of a few bad apples is letting the trolls win and doing away with a wonderful, unique feature of this website that I and millions others have enjoyed over the years. I have been a member for 10 years. What a shame.

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180 Points

9 years ago

I would like to add my disappointment in this decision. It is one of the truly unique things that IMDB can still offer.
With modern search engines I can find out who is in a movie, get reviews and pages of goofs. What IMDB has is  after I've seen any movie or tv show I can go on it's message board and chat to people about it. There is nowhere else that offers this on one site.
For the bigger shows this will survive they have their own websites but for smaller or older shows there will be nothing. Want to discuss an ending in a show like Daybreak or Timeslip or thousands of other shows then good luck finding an active message board for them.
As for having an account with IMDB, what would be the point. I don't need to log in to look at information and as there will be no discussion happening my account would be useless.

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132 Points

9 years ago

I have been on the site for 11 yrs and I dont at all understand the point in closing down ALL the boards because a handful of people need to be babysat every time they come online. I say just get rid of the people that need babysitters and allow the rest of us adults to police ourselves. With block/ignore features in place and no one forcing anyone to read threads there is no reason anyone should ever need to report anything or contact staff regarding anything to do with the boards (beyond tech issues). The problem is you are letting all these snowflakes consume your time and dictate policy. Doing this only reinforces their warped beliefs. At the very least there should be some type of compromise where all movies and tv show boards stay and things like I Need To Know and movie/tv genre boards and simply do away with anything not movie and tv related such as The Sandbox, Politics, Religion and so on. Personally I think things are fine as they are and the problems are the people that throw tantrums every time their feelings are hurt. Yes there are trolls and people that are only out to cause problems but we the whiners outnumber them by far. Still the majority of people, most of the time, are adult enough to just not read something, ignore without even the use of the ignore feature or can block someone without any assistance. I say instead of doing away with the forums just block the people that have constant issues and complain from using them and let the rest of us keep them.

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352 Points

You are exactly correct & great post. There are easy ways to "fix" the problems at IMDB if the troll problem is so bad as some idiots claim. What IMDB is doing is signing their own death certificate as a company. This is one of the WORST decisions ever by a company. These jerks are screwing everyone over for no good reason. I'll never be back to IMDB after the 20th, and these a'holes can go screw themselves. In six months IMDB will be another myspace. Good riddance to these bastards.

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352 Points

9 years ago

I just find it odd that you would close the boards because of the negative aspects but disregard all the people who are positive. I get it is horrendous. I mean the Melissa McCarthy board alone is atrocious and disrespectful. But there has to be a better way. I pay for Amazon Prime. What if you had people pay a small fee or combine the two? That would keep away the trolls. Plenty of sites do that. Usually I would never pay for a message board service but since I already pay for prime - which BTW (and slightly OT) now broke off (or added) into other "plans" that I have to pay more for to watch. It's becoming like Cable TV now. Which is why I may just cancel both and move on to new horizons. Albeit I will miss both of my FAVORITE sites but neither is the same as it was :(

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352 Points

I agree with you. Let's all put our funds together and start our own site. Heck I want to start a start up business. If we all got together it wouldn't cost much each to get going on something.

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2.2K Points

"...as long as one single individual (or a small number of like-minded individuals) is or are able to shut down a resource as IMDB on any whim, no resource of long-term data collection will be safe for ANY of us." - what a great point you make there @jsii - I'm no lawyer, but it sure sounds like there should be some legal precedent to prevent just this sort of thing from happening.

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352 Points

I don't have Amazon prime, and after this "stunt" I will never give a single penny to Amazon more less pay for Amazon prime. What they are doing to the countless number of people who have contributed to IMDB over the years is down right criminal. Good riddance to those creeps. February 20th is it for me.

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950 Points

Same here. This has me so furious that I'm willing to Boycott Amazon by canceling my Prime and never doing business with them again. I watch too much TV anyway.

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180 Points

9 years ago

I am extremely disappointed with this decision and it will definitely reduce or eliminate my use of IMDB.  I've been using IMDB for a very long time and the message board and ratings (basically, the user contribution) was my only reason for visiting.  I hope the decision is made to keep the forums, otherwise I will need to seek out alternatives.

Providing Facebook and other social media as a conversation platform for individual movies (or anybody involved in movie creation) isn't a great alternative.  I "liked" IMDB on Facebook years ago, but I rarely use Facebook and I honestly couldn't tell you the last time I viewed the IMDB page.

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2.2K Points

9 years ago

Far from nuking all of the Message Boards altogether, my suggestion would be to expand and improve them - and the extremely simple way to do this would be to make them searchable with Google!

My main gripe with the current message boards (well - pretty much my only gripe!) is that there is no built-in Search functionality. This results in multiple posts about the same things, because there's no way for users to know whether a topic has been covered before or not - without actually reading/scanning through EVERY topic on a board.

WHICH COULD BE EASILY FIXED, simply by removing the existing bar on Google indexing - currently you cannot search the boards with Google because of a robots.txt (or similar barring method) that seems to exist for no good reason at all that I can think of. Remove that, and users would be able to make a quick search to see if their query has been asked before, and then go directly to the appropriate thread!

There would be absolutely zero investment required, and minimal changes (or even no changes at all) to the existing html.

As for trolls, I have used the Message Boards regularly since their inception in 2002 and have found very little problem with this at all, even recently. And when I find one I don't like - it's an easy fix - just block them and voila!

So Mr Needham I implore you, please do not relegate the millions of words of wisdom that have been written by users far more knowledgable than myself over the last 15 odd years to the scrapheap of history. That would be more than a shame - it would be a damned tragedy.

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150 Points

I am amazed none of you have seen the elephant in the room.

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150 Points

Amazon

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2.2K Points

OK, so... they are IMDb's parent company... Also, most of the ads on IMDb (or at least, the mobile app, which I use more than the website) are for Amazon, which seems a little odd, basically cross-selling themselves rather than generating any actual revenue from advertising...

So you're saying what, that the order has come down from Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, or perhaps the majority shareholders? It still doesn't make any sense (in any sense of the word "sense") to me at all!

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150 Points

He who pays the piper. Many a takeover after a few years has seen the child company absorbed and remodeled or absorbed completely.  Banks do it all the time.

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150 Points

These are the operative words:
As of Feb. 20, the Amazon-owned Internet Movie Database is shutting them down
https://www.cnet.com/news/imdb-shuts-down-message-boards-february-20-2017/

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2.2K Points

Maybe - far be it from me to question the 'wisdom' of corporate decisions such as this doosy - but if I were the CEO of Amazon, and if IMDb was a loss-maker, my strategy would be to try to sell off IMDb before killing it stone dead, rather than after.

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150 Points

It's a done deal that was made months ago. 
Nothing can change it.

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2.2K Points

There are still 13 days in which to change it.
According to the techcrunch article:

"IMDb’s value to Amazon is not really in the social side of the business, it’s the database itself, which is used to power features like X-Ray for Movies and TV Shows. This leverages IMDb data to help bring information about actor bios, background info, and more to Amazon Video, Fire TV and other devices."

But that database will now be of a lesser value to anyone Amazon may wish to offload IMDb to in the future, thanks to this poor decision.

"...the forums will remain online for two more weeks, before shuttering on Feb. 19, 2017. This will give users’ time to archive their conversations, if desired, or reach out to anyone via private messaging that they want to stay in touch with in the future. The company is not offering any sort of data-extraction tool, however."

Which means that the entire para above is actually meaningless - we have 2 weeks in which to archive conversations and message boards, but which is not available in any archivable form. Thanks for nothing, guys...

As I suggested elsewhere, the only way the Message Board data can be archived is if it's provided in-total to an archiving facility such as www.archive.org 

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150 Points

Hope your successful, don't give up on what you believe. As for me it's not that all important. I've got a farm to run. Nice chatting.