IMDb Charts Page Redesign

@dhorwell​ Thanks for the feedback.  Please see our reply to you on the beta thread -> https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/imdbcom/imdb-chart-pages-beta-optin/64889da4f2f4cc6d3c810d0d?commentId=6489d64b46487e104994f626&replyId=648b5ac8b9b24e6b59e19e91 

Unfortunately further work on "seen" needs to wait until all of the pages have been migrated to the new technology, sorry. 

Thanks for your reply, it's much appreciated. I'll look forward to getting the "seen" feature back then in future.

Hi there, 

Just wondering if there's any update as to when we'll be getting the 'seen' feature back?

Thanks,

David

@dhorwell​ Although we have made further progress in the technology migration referenced above (and see further pages launches), we still have a way to go before they are complete, sorry.  This means we are still waiting for work on the "seen" feature to continue. 

Thanks for the quick reply, much appreciated.

@RickDeckard​ You can still do this by voting for the titles (and also see our answer above on the future of the "seen" feature). 

The missing "seen" feature is probably skewing the average score since people like myself typically vote a movie with a score of 1 simply because I never intend to watch it.  The 'seen' option seemed like a good solution for that.

At least they should give us the option to go back to the old version of the page as an alternative. I'm pretty sure there is a big percentage of imdb users that don't care about rating movies, they just use this site to search for movies that interest them and they haven't watched yet and the "seen" feature is the perfect way to find them.

Hi @mdtsinha​ -

For more information on marking a title as "Seen", this has been temporarily removed from Chart pages as we expand and improve the functionality. In the meantime, you can continue to provide a 1-10 Rating on titles you have watched as well as view your completion percentage. Your existing interactions with "Seen" can still be viewed at https://imdb.com/seen/

Other options to mark a title Seen but unrated:

1) find a user list that includes the title, then while viewing that list modify the url, replacing /list/ with /seen/

2) put the title on a custom list, then while viewing that list modify the url, replacing /list/ with /seen/

3) go to a cast or crew member's page, and modify that url, replacing /name/ with /seen/

For more about the Seen function, see

Dassow's SEEN FAQ: IMDb SEEN Gets an Upgrade | IMDb.com Customer Community

@bderoes​ 😀

Dassow's SEEN FAQ: IMDb SEEN Gets an Upgrade | IMDb.com Customer Community
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/faq-imdb-seen-gets-an-upgrade

goes to

https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/imdb-poll/faq-imdb-seen-gets-an-upgrade/5f4a79ac8815453dba85878a

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@Tallgaloot​ The "Hide titles you've rated" is available in the mobile view ... it is located at the end of the Top 250 list:

On the new pages, all content should be available in the mobile view, however, due to layout constraints, everything does not always fit in exactly the same location. 

Hope this helps. 

You’re right!  There it is!  Didn’t see it all the way down there.  Maybe they should move it to the top.  Thanks!

Hi @Ykaa​ -

I was unable to replicate this when sorting on our charts pages (ie. Ranking, IMDb Ranking, Your Rating, etc.).  Can you try again and confirm if you are still experiencing a page crash?  If so, have you tried in other browsers?

@Michelle​ it's only on top tv shows. every browser.

@WolfgangLepp​ 

At the bottom of the Top 250 Movies page it states:

• The list is ranked by a formula which includes the number of ratings each movie received from users, and value of ratings received from regular users

Under the old format, it displayed the number used for the ranking. Now it appears to display the rating that's shown on the title's page, which was often slightly different than the Top 250 ranking stat.

Hi bderoes, thank you for your answer.

Well this is just confusing. So it means that there are two diferent ratings, the one shown in the title page and the one used to determine the ranking, based on the formula you just mentioned. Which one should we consider the right one?

It is suprising to see a movie bearing a 8.2 as rating with a lower ranking of a movie with a 8.0.

Have you given it a thought? Souldn't the movies be ordered according to the rating they display?

Thanks!

@WolfgangLepp​ 

I'm not an employee, just a user with an extra badge.

Let's see if we get an explanation, or perhaps you've found something they didn't intend to do: change the ranking value they display on that list.

@bderoes​ This is a deliberate change.  When we used to display the rating as calculated using the Top 250 formula, we would instead get questions from customers asking why the rating on https://www.imdb.com/chart/top/ was (sometimes) different from the rating displayed on the individual title pages. 

It is a compromise and we feel there's less confusion this way around (and unfortunately displaying both ratings on the Top 250 page is not straightforward). 

Thank you Col, so kind of you to answer my question.

An answer which being kind, has not managed to make the picture clear for me.

I understand that there are two different calculations. Why is it so? Shouldn't you decide on what feels better or more logical or more meaningful and stick to it? Use the formula that gives you the ranking of the movies and display that figure.

I have realised that there is another list available now, "IMDb Top 250 sorted by IMDB rating descending". Which is the one that makes sense to me and the one I will keep using if no changes in the other one.

In the, let's say, "official" list, you face things as bizarre as a movie with an 8.8 rating, "Jai Bhim", at position #219, surrounded by movies rated 8.1. While all other movies holding an 8.8 rate rank between #9 and #16. Where is the logic in this? It is pretty counterintuitive and confusing, hard to apply any rationale there.

Hope you don't mind me insisting, I have been a user of this list since many years ago, and it has been instrumental in the build-up of my movie collection (DVDs and BRs) which is at almost 4000 titles now. I keep checking it all the time and this change has basically brought confusion to me.

Thanks again and kind regards,

Wolfgang

@WolfgangLepp​ First of all, we recommend reading the Ratings FAQ at https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/track-movies-tv/ratings-faq/G67Y87TFYYP6TWAV for a wider context.

I understand that there are two different calculations. Why is it so? Shouldn't you decide on what feels better or more logical or more meaningful and stick to it? Use the formula that gives you the ranking of the movies and display that figure.

There are two different calculations because there are two very different purposes in play.  On an individual title, we are generating a weighted average to best summarise the reception of that title by the voting audience who have seen it.  For the Top 250, we are trying to determine the 250 "best" movies on IMDb, taking the entire audience of IMDb into account -- so we only consider ratings from regular voters, and there are a variety of other filters applied, plus finally there's a 25,000 vote minimum (as explained at the bottom of the Top 250).  You can generate a list of the top 250 movies without applying the special formula via advanced title search -> https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?title_type=feature&num_votes=25000,&sort=user_rating,desc&count=250 

In the, let's say, "official" list, you face things as bizarre as a movie with an 8.8 rating, "Jai Bhim", at position #219, surrounded by movies rated 8.1. While all other movies holding an 8.8 rate rank between #9 and #16. Where is the logic in this? It is pretty counterintuitive and confusing, hard to apply any rationale there.

As explained above, this is a compromise.  We did indeed previously display the Top 250 formula rating on the Top 250 page itself so the display matched the sort, however, this caused more confusion because people would instead ask why the rating displayed on that page differed from the rating on the title page. It is somewhat of a no-win situation, but the current display choice seems the lesser of the two evils.  We do not have room to display both ratings and that would only draw more attention (and questions) anyway.  

The other option would be to not display any rating at all on https://www.imdb.com/chart/top/ and just present the titles as a ranked list?

Hi, thank you for taking your time and clarifying my doubts with such a detailed answer.

This time yes, I have fully understood the situation.

As you say, it is a matter of compromising and finding which one of the solutions will cause less trouble and draw less questions or complaints.

Your last suggestion could be a solution. With it, non-advanced users will see just a ranked list with no funny ordering. Anyway this will not prevent curious people from realising that a movie with a remarkable rating in the title page ("Jai Bhim" for instance) is surprisingly low in the ranking.

Thanks again!

By the way, talking about movies from India, which are quite a recurrent presence in your list.

I have quite a number of Indian movies in my collection (mainly because of you, because they have appeared in your Top 250 list) and I have seen them all, so I know enough about Bollywood movies to realise that they should be classified with different standards.

I assume that having so many Indian films popping up in your list every now and then may be because you have a lot of users/voters from India? With a population of over 1,400 million, they can easily bias the ratings in favour of local productions.

I have not seen "Jai Bhim" yet, holding an astonishing 8.8 rating according to you, but quite a low ranking (#219) nevertheless. Which makes sense to me, I have seen many others and with some few exceptions, films produced in India are not easy for general audiences.

@Khogen423​ You can see the titles which you have tagged as seen at https://www.imdb.com/seen/

@Col_Needham​ Thanks :) 

@JTmarkie​ This is on the list to be addressed once the "seen" feature is migrated to the new design and technology.  No ETA as yet though, sorry, as there are several pages and features ahead of it. 

@Col_Needham​ Thank you for the response! Good to hear it is on the list and not forgotten about. I'll be waiting patiently!

@JTmarkie​ From https://www.imdb.com/badge  the end-of-year Top 250 badge list is less than two weeks old -> https://www.imdb.com/list/ls522906292/

Oh, perfect! Thanks @Col_Needham !